(Words in BOLD are mine)
Originally Posted by DarkAngel:
Originally Posted by gbrk:
Bill and I may not be the same but in one respect we are both clones as we are with every other true Christian. Each of us are partakers of the same Holy Spirit and together are parts of God's Kingdom and look to Jesus Christ as our Savior and sacrifice for our sins.
Truer words have never been spoken (or typed) GB and Bill are very good examples of Christians. Pay close attention to what the do and say. It is quite revealing. They make the case for atheism here in this forum on a daily basis.
Thanks guys!
I suppose it's a good thing for someone to be thankful about then because the lot of atheist on here leave little to brag about or serve as an example to exemplify. (To christian fundamentalists).
Their greatest argument for atheism is to point to another person (much less a Christian) that they esteem to be lesser than they are rather than allowing their own attributes or their arguments to be persuasive enough to convince a neutral person that they have something special. Fact is what they have and offer is "nothing" of their own.
(I always offer plain, straightforward logic. I don't know or care about anything from Dawkins or Hitchens or any other famous atheists-in fact, other than Madalyn Murray O'Hair, I didn't even KNOW there were any other famous atheists.
If straightforward "if>then" logic isn't persuasive enough then let me suggest that either you are so brainwashed by what you've been told about your religion either by preachers, other believers or print that any critical thinking is beyond you, or you just plain don't wanna consider anything else because you're actually afraid of death and the atheist's logic doesn't sound as nice and fluffy as christianity does.
What atheism has to offer is insecurity, no answers, a drawn out captivity to a grudge, anger, or resentment of Church, Religion, or anyone who represents such
(No, actually atheism offers a common sense view of life and death. We know we'll live for a whle and eventually cease to exist. It doesn't get any simpler than that, now does it?
Grudges are held by people who have issues with other people. Religious belief or lack thereof has nothing to do with grudges. In fact, going by what I hear on the scanner every day/night around here in the righteous ol' bible belt buckle-There's a whole lot more christians holding grudges than there are atheists.
Anger? Pfft. Anybody with half a brain would get bent out of shape what with being surrounded by uber-superstitious clods preaching and judging them all day long every day and trying to control their everyday lives and thoughts by shoving their superstition into public policy and even law and running around telling them what kind of day to have. What colossal balls! I'm starting to get irate just talking about it.
No, I don't resent church, religion, or the superstitious people who believe it.
I DO chuckle at them when they preach, though and try to offer some sense to what they're telling me IS. )
so that instead of enjoying life for what it has to offer and the beauty of what all God has given us they have to find personal satisfaction at the expense of another.
(Atheists probably enjoy life MORE than the average christian fundy because we DON'T hobble ourselves with all the groveling and self-imposed guilt just for thinking stuff that GZs do.
We appreciate all the things THIS WORLD and LIFE has to offer.
We just don't waste any time groveling and trying to please a mythical deity because of it.
As far as finding personal satisfaction at the expense of another-see my above mention of all the 'sinners' I hear every day/night on the scanner. Read the police reports and the newspaper headlines about some goober with more guns than brains killing his wife because she's trying to leave his drunken, abusive ass or beating her because she can't leave or hasn't decided whether or not her life is worth trying to.
Read about all the scams and thefts that happen here in The Shoals-all committed pretty much by 'good, righteous', churchgoing christians. Every day, every night-except Sunday nights mostly because they're all in a fried chicken coma or sumpin'.
This atheist isn't out stealing or killing or scamming or abusing anybody.)
What Christians have to offer is the chance to meet and experience the Creator of the Universe and all life within and a fulfilling life that one seeks not to condemn or ridicule another but to share the happiness that they have found.
(While the preacher is robbing them blind a few bucks at a time.
AH! *Hush* I been there once or eleventy-seven times and Iknow how it works.
You cannot tell me that you are living a life of fulfillment when you have all those rules and regulations and procedures that contradict each other and you have to spend all that time and money figuring out what the rules 'really mean' and groveling and thanking and preaching and worrying about where you might go when you die because you're afraid of dying. THAT'S a kind of 'happiness' to share?
No thanks. I'll stick with taking each day as it comes for what it's worth and seeing what I can do with it.
I laugh. I really do. Christians condemn and ridicule EACH OTHER BETTER THAN ANY ATHEIST COULD OR CARES TO. I just plain LMMFAO!)
It is very interesting to note that something that one does not believe in can cause one to spend so much time and effort to attempt to tear down or destroy.
(You mean 'tear down and destroy' like, as in what the christian fundies do when they tell us atheists we are ignorant, stupid, uneducated, and going to hell every one of us?? Ya. Thought so. )
If it was in fact nothing then it would have long ago been eradicated.
(By WHAT, pray tell?)
A survey of post on the Religion forum will easily reveal an attack mentality so why is that? Most likely it is due to a past encounter with either Church, a Christian that either rubbed the person the wrong way or caused a resentment within that person. Could be they blame God for not doing something to or for them or failure to give them something they felt they deserved.
(Most likely it is actually because as soon as a christian fundy figures out that they are talking to an atheist, their 'attack mentality' cult training kicks in involuntarily and they begin telling the atheist that they are wrong, foolish, and hellbound for not believing in the superstition like they do. All the " Have a blessed days" in the world can't hide that particular fact.
Some people rub me the wrong way-just as I'm sure that I rub them the wrong way. It's human nature. Unfortunately, not everybody can or will do as Ono says and "all get along." This fact is why there have always been Crusades, jihads, suicide bombers and chooches who hijack airplanes and fly them into buildings fulla people.
Note COMMA HOWEVER that the aforementioned Crusaders/jihadists/suicide bombers/and airplane-flying-building-crashin-into-chooches have pretty much ALL been R-E-L-I-G-I-O-U-S F-U-N-D-A-M-E-N-T-A-L-I-S-T-S, not atheists.
Atheists don't blame god for anything, much less get mad at him. Don'tcha get it? We don't BELIEVE in a god.
I was raised a strict CatLick and all I got out of it was a cookie and some bad wine once inna while and a lotta mumbojumbo.
Once I started to realize that there really IS no apparent supernatural, I giggled some and got down to livin' instead o' grovelin.')
Either way or however there is not usually found an argument for atheism that does not include Christianity within it in some attempt to make Christianity look bad or negative.
True dat, usually-but actually christians don't seem to really need a lotta help doing that very nicely by themselves. Oh, sure....They preach love and forgiveness and compassion and then when nobody's looking they waste no time in getting down to the business of stealing and lying and killing and telling us heathens that we're all going to hell.
It's YOUR hell of your own creation. Like "Madge" said in the old Palmolive commercial-"You're soaking in it." YOU burn in it. I ain't havin' no part of it.
Again. I laugh.)
Bill and I seem to be the present target of that ire so we are now the "best" case for Atheism and not something that atheism has to offer in and of itself.
(Actually, BeeG and you seem to be competing with Br. Skippy for who gets to be the head preacher in this forum.
Knock yaselves out. It's quite entertaining. )
Glad we could help.
(Oh, yeah... Do ya think ya could possibly make your posting syntax any MORE obtuse? Take a gander at some of Rramnlimnimnimn's posts. He's a veritable MASTER of obtuse.)
Oh...Yeah.... Have whatever kinda day ya wanna have.