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I'm not trying to say Trump was flawless and did everything right and correct but for those of you who absolutely hated him and felt he had to go please tell us here how you, and how you felt the nation, suffered under Donald Trump's leadership?    Just what did Trump do that hurt the nation and how did his leadership and administration hurt and harm you?  What did he do that warranted his defeat?

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@gbrk posted:

I'm not trying to say Trump was flawless and did everything right and correct but for those of you who absolutely hated him and felt he had to go please tell us here how you, and how you felt the nation, suffered under Donald Trump's leadership?    Just what did Trump do that hurt the nation and how did his leadership and administration hurt and harm you?  What did he do that warranted his defeat?

life experience.  trump has never been anything but a con man.  but to put it in layman's terms, i don't trust trump or the gop the same way i don't trust these clowns:

They will make up a myriad of untrue things, but what it boils down to is he "whupped Hillary".

@JH1961 posted:

I'd also like to know how the same individuals feel re: their current financial situation compared to when under Trump. BTW: I'm not holding my breath waiting for intelligent answers....

Good, don't hold your breath because they will not tell you the truth.

@Naio posted:

life experience.  trump has never been anything but a con man.  but to put it in layman's terms, i don't trust trump or the gop the same way i don't trust these clowns:

Trump is a business man worth billions. You don't make billions by conning people, and banks and others are still clamoring to do business with him. Con men? Every Biden, and add corrupt to that too. Who cares who you trust old man? I sure don't. At least I'm honest, unlike you and your 10 IDs that come here to do nothing but post lies and make snarky remarks about people.

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NAIO, first of all thank you for your answer, at least willingness to provide one.   Personally I don't know Donald Trump nor his family nor his business dealings, not personally I don't.  I also didn't know or don't know the Kennedy's or Biden's yet from what is speculated and reported and said all of these families have enormous wealth, enormous political power, and enormous egos.  That said I believe it should be expected that when you have that much personal power and money that egos goes along with it and that can be expected.  With the exception of the Biden's however I believe that the other families (Kennedys and Trumps) actually earned their money from business dealings and whether totally upright and honest I can't say I do believe that they were business families which had personal failures and overcame them and prevailed.  I didn't know the Reagans or Ronald Reagan but I did know that under his administration, once it got going, I felt more financially secure and felt safer and that the Soviet Union wouldn't attack us.  That the thought of Mutually assured destruction actually prevented the reality and possibility of Nuclear War.

The Biden's though have achieved what they have, their family wealth, through the government and people giving it to them for favors and influence as they never really had any business sense or experience about them.  Far too many politicians (Republican and Democrat) achieve far too much wealth and fortune solely due to their being a politician in power at our governments and nation's expense.  That's sad and terrible.   I do believe (no proof or evidence) that they are corrupt if not surpassing the Clintons most ambitious desires or ambitions.  Most folks that actually hate Trump I believe do so because of what information they are fed through the media or political filters.  I believe Trump did what many should have done all along and that is run Government as a business and regardless of how the man accomplishes personal wealth or family wealth it wasn't from selling influence from his political position and the Country/Nation as a whole was doing great up until the Pandemic which destroyed much of what Trump was accomplishing.  His accomplishments were broadsided by the Pandemic and the shutting down of America as a whole yet we were fairly well positioned to come through it, with respect to other parts of the world.  

Also one thing I can't get past is "What's so wrong with America FIRST mentality and focus"?  It's time we put America First and what's wrong with "Make America Great Again"?  We (America) have assisted the world in many ways and with many sacrifices through the years and through wars without the requirement for taking over nations and taking their land.  We have seen America through the years degraded and made fun of and yes made mistakes but what is wrong with wanting to return America to being the NUMBER ONE, best Nation in the World?  I propose that the world benefits from America being number one in most if not all categories.  We can now imagine how things would be if Russia and/or China was the most influential nation in the world without America to counter them.  

We do have our problems, I agree, but still What was so bad about Donald Trump's Presidency and Administration?  With the exception of the affects of the pandemic America was positioned to actually BE GREAT AGAIN! and as a result Food and items were plentiful and affordable, gas and fuel among them.  America was fuel independent for the first time in a long time and buffered from the whims and effects of rising prices from OPEC and other fuel producers.  After Joe Biden and the Democrat leadership that is but a thought and a future goal again.  So my main question I guess still remains and that is with respect to our own lives our own financial and economic situations What was so Bad about the Trump Presidency?  

MOST if not ALL Political families and Presidents are and have been corrupt or morally bankrupt to some degree personally but I, nor most if not everyone else here, doesn't know any of them personally and know them well enough to know if it's true what is reported or said about them.  From the standpoint of effectiveness a President has to be somewhat ruthless and a "con man" or con person because they have to influence people and others to get what they want and accomplish policy.  ALL successful politicians are somewhat "Con men" and have some not so nice attributes about them.  When you have people like Putin or other dangerous leaders, dictators etc leaders then you don't intimidate them by being a Boy Scout and with kindness.  You have to have respect and they have to know that you are or can also be a "dangerous" person and one willing to do things that often aren't considered the "nicest or kindest".   I'm not seeking to elect or want a saint in office however I do like knowing that whoever is our leader is a God fearing/respecting leader and someone that has business and real world experience and not just a lifetime politician.   I don't know any of our National leaders personally and most people don't.  ALL WE CAN KNOW, PERSONALLY, IS HOW IT's AFFECTING US AND OUR OWN LIVES.   The emphasis of all caps because of the importance of that statement, when it comes to our own families and how we live.  Again thank you for your reply, I wish others who support(ed) Biden over Trump, would step up and voice their opinion or thoughts.    WE all have opinions and thoughts and hopefully will be respectful toward each other.  I don't know Joe Biden or his family and only know what's been reported about him.  

WHAT I DO KNOW though is what I see.  I'm paying more for fuel/gas than EVER, the most in my lifetime.  I, for the first time in my life, have a "REAL FEAR" that Nuclear War and the altering of our complete way of life, can occur within any 15 to 30 minute period of time and actually could happen at any moment.  I do know that there are shortages and that I see bare shelves in stores to the level I've never seen that before.  I do know that what I'm bringing home isn't sufficient to pay the bills anymore with the cost of everything going up.  What I know is ever rising fuel cost affects and effects EVERYTHING ELSE due to the cost of transportation and how fuel cost increases cause everyone else to have to increase prices.  What I do know (from observation) is that since Joe Biden took office fuel/energy prices have started to rise and continue to rise since he cancelled most everything that Trump did and cancelled the pipeline and declared war on fossil fuel.  What I do know is crime is on the increase everywhere and criminals feel empowered by Democrats not fearful of punishment and the law.  What I do know is that the Pandemic is still there and still has the potential to effect our economy and way of life. What I do know is with respect to my personal family and personal life things under Joe Biden and Democrats policies are WORSE than under Donald Trump or any other President for that matter.  I'm looking for someone to tell me just why I should be glad Trump is gone and Biden is President and that we are under Democratic leadership?  Why should anyone vote Democrat after their performance these first two years?  That's what I'm asking and seeking an answer to.  Not a trick question or trying to trap someone but sincerely asking what was so bad about Trump ( I mean what was so bad personally/locally about Trump's policies and leadership)?

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@gbrk posted:

NAIO, first of all thank you for your answer, at least willingness to provide one.   Personally I don't know Donald Trump nor his family nor his business dealings, not personally I don't.  I also didn't know or don't know the Kennedy's or Biden's yet from what is speculated and reported and said all of these families have enormous wealth, enormous political power, and enormous egos.  That said I believe it should be expected that when you have that much personal power and money that egos goes along with it and that can be expected.  With the exception of the Biden's however I believe that the other families (Kennedys and Trumps) actually earned their money from business dealings and whether totally upright and honest I can't say I do believe that they were business families which had personal failures and overcame them and prevailed.  I didn't know the Reagans or Ronald Reagan but I did know that under his administration, once it got going, I felt more financially secure and felt safer and that the Soviet Union wouldn't attack us.  That the thought of Mutually assured destruction actually prevented the reality and possibility of Nuclear War.

The Biden's though have achieved what they have, their family wealth, through the government and people giving it to them for favors and influence as they never really had any business sense or experience about them.  Far too many politicians (Republican and Democrat) achieve far too much wealth and fortune solely due to their being a politician in power at our governments and nation's expense.  That's sad and terrible.   I do believe (no proof or evidence) that they are corrupt if not surpassing the Clintons most ambitious desires or ambitions.  Most folks that actually hate Trump I believe do so because of what information they are fed through the media or political filters.  I believe Trump did what many should have done all along and that is run Government as a business and regardless of how the man accomplishes personal wealth or family wealth it wasn't from selling influence from his political position and the Country/Nation as a whole was doing great up until the Pandemic which destroyed much of what Trump was accomplishing.  His accomplishments were broadsided by the Pandemic and the shutting down of America as a whole yet we were fairly well positioned to come through it, with respect to other parts of the world.  

Also one thing I can't get past is "What's so wrong with America FIRST mentality and focus"?  It's time we put America First and what's wrong with "Make America Great Again"?  We (America) have assisted the world in many ways and with many sacrifices through the years and through wars without the requirement for taking over nations and taking their land.  We have seen America through the years degraded and made fun of and yes made mistakes but what is wrong with wanting to return America to being the NUMBER ONE, best Nation in the World?  I propose that the world benefits from America being number one in most if not all categories.  We can now imagine how things would be if Russia and/or China was the most influential nation in the world without America to counter them.  

We do have our problems, I agree, but still What was so bad about Donald Trump's Presidency and Administration?  With the exception of the affects of the pandemic America was positioned to actually BE GREAT AGAIN! and as a result Food and items were plentiful and affordable, gas and fuel among them.  America was fuel independent for the first time in a long time and buffered from the whims and effects of rising prices from OPEC and other fuel producers.  After Joe Biden and the Democrat leadership that is but a thought and a future goal again.  So my main question I guess still remains and that is with respect to our own lives our own financial and economic situations What was so Bad about the Trump Presidency?  

MOST if not ALL Political families and Presidents are and have been corrupt or morally bankrupt to some degree personally but I, nor most if not everyone else here, doesn't know any of them personally and know them well enough to know if it's true what is reported or said about them.  From the standpoint of effectiveness a President has to be somewhat ruthless and a "con man" or con person because they have to influence people and others to get what they want and accomplish policy.  ALL successful politicians are somewhat "Con men" and have some not so nice attributes about them.  When you have people like Putin or other dangerous leaders, dictators etc leaders then you don't intimidate them by being a Boy Scout and with kindness.  You have to have respect and they have to know that you are or can also be a "dangerous" person and one willing to do things that often aren't considered the "nicest or kindest".   I'm not seeking to elect or want a saint in office however I do like knowing that whoever is our leader is a God fearing/respecting leader and someone that has business and real world experience and not just a lifetime politician.   I don't know any of our National leaders personally and most people don't.  ALL WE CAN KNOW, PERSONALLY, IS HOW IT's AFFECTING US AND OUR OWN LIVES.   The emphasis of all caps because of the importance of that statement, when it comes to our own families and how we live.  Again thank you for your reply, I wish others who support(ed) Biden over Trump, would step up and voice their opinion or thoughts.    WE all have opinions and thoughts and hopefully will be respectful toward each other.  I don't know Joe Biden or his family and only know what's been reported about him.  

WHAT I DO KNOW though is what I see.  I'm paying more for fuel/gas than EVER, the most in my lifetime.  I, for the first time in my life, have a "REAL FEAR" that Nuclear War and the altering of our complete way of life, can occur within any 15 to 30 minute period of time and actually could happen at any moment.  I do know that there are shortages and that I see bare shelves in stores to the level I've never seen that before.  I do know that what I'm bringing home isn't sufficient to pay the bills anymore with the cost of everything going up.  What I know is ever rising fuel cost affects and effects EVERYTHING ELSE due to the cost of transportation and how fuel cost increases cause everyone else to have to increase prices.  What I do know (from observation) is that since Joe Biden took office fuel/energy prices have started to rise and continue to rise since he cancelled most everything that Trump did and cancelled the pipeline and declared war on fossil fuel.  What I do know is crime is on the increase everywhere and criminals feel empowered by Democrats not fearful of punishment and the law.  What I do know is that the Pandemic is still there and still has the potential to effect our economy and way of life. What I do know is with respect to my personal family and personal life things under Joe Biden and Democrats policies are WORSE than under Donald Trump or any other President for that matter.  I'm looking for someone to tell me just why I should be glad Trump is gone and Biden is President and that we are under Democratic leadership?  Why should anyone vote Democrat after their performance these first two years?  That's what I'm asking and seeking an answer to.  Not a trick question or trying to trap someone but sincerely asking what was so bad about Trump ( I mean what was so bad personally/locally about Trump's policies and leadership)?

lol. like i said man. life experience.

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