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TO DOMINATE THE WORLD, YOU MUST FIRST DOMINATE YOUR HOMELAND

Karl LeubaKarl LeubaPost Master
There has been a consistent reaction to the Tasering, arrest, and jailing of Anthony Meyers. Two different reactions. One is that it was an abominable act of suppression by the police. The other is that Meyers was seeking to challenge authority.

It was both. No doubt Meyers challenged the authorities. He did not attack them he challenged them to give him the rights granted under the constitution. They failed. Meyers tested the commitment of the Campus Police to the Constitution. Kerry supported him in that challenge. Kerry, despite any “violations” Meyers committed offered, unconditionally to respond to the questions. The police acted to STOP, END, PREVENT, that exchange from taking place. They violated YOUR right to free speech.

What were the Police Afraid of? Were they fearful that the exceptionally well behaved crowd would suddenly rise up? Were they afraid of the response Kerry might give. Were they already angry with Meyers because of some previous challenge?

One of the most important obligations of a citizen of the USA is to QUESTION AUTHORITY. And to challenge authority when it is in the wrong. Jena Louisiana is an example of what happens when the questioning of authority turns to reaction by the authority. Meyers is an example of the same process. When a “free speech zone” is set up, the PROPER reaction is to go outside the zone, and protest the zone.
Acting like a little lamb and going in the pen to bleat is NOT proper. The correct response to a free speech zone is the protest the existence of the free speech zone. If we are to remain a free nation, we must continually protect the rights guaranteed to us by the Constitution. We cannot allow the government to claim a constitutional right to take our rights, unless we want to surrender them.

In Jena, the student who asked permission to sit in the shade of the tree was challenging an extra legal authority. Racism is NOT established law, but it is very real. Anyone who spends a nanosecond thinking about it KNOWS that the request for permission to sit under the tree was a challenge to that authority.

There are stacks of incidents like Meyers, and Jena, and they are widespread, treating them as isolated incidents serves the cause of tyranny. They are not isolated, they are part of a growing acceptance of subjugation in this country. More of the “Doctrine of Domination.”

To DOMINATE THE WORLD, YOU MUST FIRST DOMINATE YOUR HOMELAND.
"The essence of all religions is one. Only their approaches are different." ~Mahatma Gandhi
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S SeaweedPost Master
Many people have suffered , many have died, and a host have gone to jail in order to protest evil. This kid is just one of many. A lot of posters here seem to think it is ok to torture a college kid because he is loud-mouthed or even a jerk after he was down and possibally handcuffed.
There is another story of a woman who while drunk, kicked the window out of a cop car. In order (I guess) to show her who is boss, a cop tasered her 7 times while handcuffed.
These are not for the purpose of subduing someone, just to play god.
Sassy KimsSassy KimsOld Faithful
Regarding the Meyers incident, the cops were not afraid of anything. They observed a disorderly individual attempting to disrupt a lawful meeting, and while arresting him, he resisted and that resistance was overcome.

I vehemently deny that you can prove any conspiracy to "dominate" our homeland via law enforcement. It just ain't so, and anybody that says they can is a flat out liar.

Excelman, if the incident you speak of is the one that PBA posted on the thread in the news section, she was not handcuffed while being tasered. The video clearly shows her arms spread apart. The reporter says she was handcuffed, but the video shows otherwise.
Karl LeubaKarl LeubaPost Master
Perhaps Sassy you would prefer an Encyclopedia definition: police state


The term police state is a term for a state in which the government exercises rigid and repressive controls over the social, economic and political life of the population, especially by means of a secret police force which operates above the normal constraints found in a liberal democracy. A police state typically exhibits elements of totalitarianism and social control, and there is usually little distinction between the law and the exercise of political power by the executive.

The classification of a country or regime as a police state is usually contested and debated. The classification is often established by an internal whistleblower or an external critic or activist group. The use of the term is motivated as a response to the laws, policies and actions of that regime, and is often used pejoratively to describe the regime's concept of the social contract, human rights, and similar matters.
Sassy KimsSassy KimsOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by Karl Leuba:
Sassy, this is the Dictionary definition of police state
n.

A state in which the government exercises rigid and repressive controls over the social, economic, and political life of the people, especially by means of a police force.


And it ain't happening here in the US. You can't even get separate agencies to agree on the same policies, or get them to accept the same paperwork, little on cooperate on an agenda to "dominate" the country.

You have taken a couple of random incidents and built a conspiracy out of them.

And remember, there are no "national" police in the US. None of the Federal agencies are large enough to do what you suggest, and the state and local ones don't work together well enough to manage to conspire against anybody.
I interventorPost Master
Nearest thing the US has to a national police force is the US Marshals Service and they're spread to thin to do much.

A mouthy person over stayed his allotted time speaking to a US Senator, then resisted campus police efforts to get him to move on. If he been armed and shot Kerry would you be satisfied? Police only knew he resisted peaceful efforts to remove him, then resisted forcefully. Years ago he would be healing from the bruises of a night stick. He should count himself thankful he was only tasered.

Once again, show me any communiques forcing the local police agencies into a police state. You have no idea of the apparat necessary for such an entity.

Sassy,

I think we are approaching invulnerable ignorance on this issue.
_Joy__Joy_Old Faithful
Have any of you taking up for this trouble maker watched the video? It's not like he resisted & they immediately tased him. It went on and on and on, with them telling him to comply & he kept fighting them. When they finally got him down, he would not put his hands behind his back, again told repeatedly to do it now. THEN they finally tased him. Since his whole point was to make a scene, he's probably still laughing about it regardless of the pain.

After to listening to several law enforcement folks here on the forum, I guess they should have used more force without the taser. Regardless, this man was breaking the law by resisting arrest; don't tell me he didn't know that.
Sassy KimsSassy KimsOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by Karl Leuba:
Sassy read this SUPPRESSION OF FREE SPEECH AND SIDDENT AT THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA. The problem has been around at UF for a very long time.


It may be a problem at UF. I don't know. I do think the link you provided is suspect...seems like the author has an axe to grind, and it doesn't allow for an opposing viewpoint on the part of the University.

Freedom of speech does not allow that you can be disruptive or disorderly, or cause a riot. You are still responsible for your actions, and the situation or circumstances you create while speaking your mind.

But regardless, you can play the video and look at your watch and see that Meyers used more time than the others, and more time than was reported as the allotted amount. Also, that his mannerism was more aggressive, and his demeanor was rapidly deteriorating, especially when Kerry condescendingly stated that he had read the book. His tone of voice was not inquisitive...it was accusatory....he was trying to pick a fight. That's disorderly conduct in most jurisdictions I know of, and for sure would be in mine.
PR Peter RiellyPost Master
quote:
Originally posted by _Joy_:
Have any of you taking up for this trouble maker watched the video? It's not like he resisted & they immediately tased him. It went on and on and on, with them telling him to comply & he kept fighting them. When they finally got him down, he would not put his hands behind his back, again told repeatedly to do it now. THEN they finally tased him. Since his whole point was to make a scene, he's probably still laughing about it regardless of the pain.

After to listening to several law enforcement folks here on the forum, I guess they should have used more force without the taser. Regardless, this man was breaking the law by resisting arrest; don't tell me he didn't know that.


Joy, I quoted your post just so any crackhead that thinks the police were "SUPRESSING MINE AND YOU FREEDOM OF SPEECH" would maybe "GET THEIR HEADS OUT OF THEIR REARENDS". The police didn't care what that little brat said, HE WAS DISRUPTIVE!!!! THE BEST WAY NOT TO GET TAZED IN THAT SITUATION IS TO COMPLY WHEN THE POLICE TOLD HIM TO STOP BEING DISRUPTIVE!!! THAT LITTLE CRACKPOT IDIOT WAS SUPRESSING THE FREE SPEECH OF EVERY ONE ELSE BY SHOWING HIS A$S!!
Seriously Karl, get over this...the only reason it's a big deal is because hypersensitive libs like you keep talking about it.
PR Peter RiellyPost Master
Uh, oh Joy....I just read a report that George W. Bush himself called the local police and told them to supress this guys freedom of speech to send a clear message to the rest of us who dare ask a question in a public forum... Karl is right, Bush had his hand in this all the way....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

If I were a professional comedian I'd feel most threatened, not by other comedians, but by the liberal press and their loyal readers....This is comic gold you can't find on any stage or comedy central in 100 years. Ludacris stuff.
Karl LeubaKarl LeubaPost Master
I suppose that a laugh at my expense is a good thing, but I never said BUSH had anything to do with this incident, NOT EVEN JEB BUSH OF FLORIDA.

I have said, and you may quote me, HE GOT TASED BECAUSE THE COPS DID NOT LIKE WHAT HE WAS SAYING. OR HOW HE WAS ACTING. I WOULD HAVE PUT UP WITH IT. THE AUDIENCE PUT UP WITH IT, AND JONH KERRY PUT UP WITH IT, BUT YOU RAVING LUNATICS WOULD HAVE LYNCHED HIM FOR IT.
NashBamaNashBamaOld Faithful
quote:
HE GOT TASED BECAUSE THE COPS DID NOT LIKE WHAT HE WAS SAYING


No, it was for rushing the mic and resisting them, they didn't give a dam what he was saying. That's simply a stupid thing to do. You don't disrupt public forums, if you do you'll get kicked out. If you physically fight the cops while they are trying to remove you, you get tased. Most people know this and follow the rules, this idiot didn't and got what he deserved.
Sassy KimsSassy KimsOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by Karl Leuba:
I suppose that a laugh at my expense is a good thing, but I never said BUSH had anything to do with this incident, NOT EVEN JEB BUSH OF FLORIDA.

I have said, and you may quote me, HE GOT TASED BECAUSE THE COPS DID NOT LIKE WHAT HE WAS SAYING. OR HOW HE WAS ACTING. I WOULD HAVE PUT UP WITH IT. THE AUDIENCE PUT UP WITH IT, AND JONH KERRY PUT UP WITH IT, BUT YOU RAVING LUNATICS WOULD HAVE LYNCHED HIM FOR IT.


I would not care to quote an inaccurate opinion.

And you can do away with the exageration...it sounds really evil to state he would have been "lynched". We're all aware of sensationalism here. We see enough of it.
PR Peter RiellyPost Master
HAHAHAHA!!! Karl, seriously.... You are makin a mountain out of a mole hill here... You CANNOT seriously believe that those cops were sitting over there talking "Hey man, do you like what this guy is sayin" and the other cop said, "Nope, I disagree with it all." Then the other one says "Hey, me too...I say we rough him up...hey, maybe even get to use our tazers on him."....Then they all gave each other five and shouted "Let's do it!" HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Actually I wish you wouldve just blamed Bush, because as stupid as that woulda been, it would pale in comparison to that. HAHAHAHAHA!!!
Karl LeubaKarl LeubaPost Master
Peter Rielly, I not only can,but if you will look at the video, YOU CAN SEE THEM DOING THE TALKING.

Tasers are pretty sensational all by themselves, Sassy Kims, and the INTERFERENCE WITH FREE SPEECH, WHEN THE ONLY OBJECTION WAS FROM THE COPS IS OPPRESSION OF FREE SPEECH BY AGENTS OF THE STATE.
Lynching for speaking out is not only not unheard of in the USA, Sassy, it was, just a generation ago common, sometime for JUST LOOKING. Or drinking from the wrong water fountain. Medgar Evers.

So, zippedeedoodah, you agree with me. He was tasered for what he was SAYING.

NashBama, He did not "RUSH THE MIC" Not one person OTHER THAN THE COPS, objected to what he was doing. NOT ONE.

Any more STUPID spin on this?
PR Peter RiellyPost Master
KARL, HE WAS ACTING A FOOL!!!!! THEY TOLD HIM TO KNOCK IT OFF AND SIT DOWN...I PROMISE, IF HE DOES THAT HE DON'T GET TAZED....PERIOD...THE END....NO SPIN...JUST FACT.
Do you honestly think every cop involed disagreed with this guys politics? Goodness man, get over it.....he acted a fool and got tazed for resisting the police.
As for you quote "Tasers are pretty sensational all by themselves" Would you rather them beat the idiot with their asps, or how bout shoot him?? Tazers are a humane way to contain fools. Do some research, most idiots who have chosen to be tazed by acting a fool with the cops say that it didn't hurt, it was a strange sensation that they never want to feel again. What do you libs want???? Do you want cops just walkin around and when they see criminals say in a soft voice..."Now, now... you guys don't do that okay??? Please??" FREAKIN RIDICULOUS
Sassy KimsSassy KimsOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by Karl Leuba:
Peter Rielly, I not only can,but if you will look at the video, YOU CAN SEE THEM DOING THE TALKING.

Tasers are pretty sensational all by themselves, Sassy Kims, and the INTERFERENCE WITH FREE SPEECH, WHEN THE ONLY OBJECTION WAS FROM THE COPS IS OPPRESSION OF FREE SPEECH BY AGENTS OF THE STATE.
Lynching for speaking out is not only not unheard of in the USA, Sassy, it was, just a generation ago common, sometime for JUST LOOKING. Or drinking from the wrong water fountain. Medgar Evers.

So, zippedeedoodah, you agree with me. He was tasered for what he was SAYING.

NashBama, He did not "RUSH THE MIC" Not one person OTHER THAN THE COPS, objected to what he was doing. NOT ONE.

Any more STUPID spin on this?


How much more stupid are you going to spin?

What he said had nothing to do with the incident. Being disruptive and over the time limit did. Even then, all he had to do was walk away to avoid being arrested and, eventually being tasered.

And nobody's ever been lynched on an internet forum, so spare us the dramatics. An incredible threat is no threat at all.
I interventorPost Master
Kalr aka EdiKit spouts the old time socialist line -- permanently aggrieved, permanently angry at the world. The police are always AGENTS OF THE STATE, even if they're a bunch of Barney Fife campus cops. I'm almost nostaglic for such rhetoric, haven't heard it much in the last few years -- since the USSR went belly up and most of the old time socialists were too embaressed to repeat the party line. Any chance Karl is french -- they still use it and their party HQ is in foreclosure.
NashBamaNashBamaOld Faithful
TSC already posted an article on this forum with eye witness accounts of what happened, I don't have time to dig it up.

The students said that he was in the back of the line and rushed the mic. That's why in the video you see cops standing right behind him before he even gets started.

Also, why would those cops give a rip what he's saying? They don't. What he is saying doesn't matter, it's how he chose to do it. When you have a senator making a public speech, cops and security are very up tight. You don't make moves like that and expect them to just ignore you.

This isn't about the content of what the idiot had to say, it's about the idiot being an idiot.
KindredKindredOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by Peter Rielly:
KARL, HE WAS ACTING A FOOL!!!!! THEY TOLD HIM TO KNOCK IT OFF AND SIT DOWN...I PROMISE, IF HE DOES THAT HE DON'T GET TAZED....PERIOD...THE END....NO SPIN...JUST FACT.
Do you honestly think every cop involed disagreed with this guys politics? Goodness man, get over it.....he acted a fool and got tazed for resisting the police.
As for you quote "Tasers are pretty sensational all by themselves" Would you rather them beat the idiot with their asps, or how bout shoot him?? Tazers are a humane way to contain fools. Do some research, most idiots who have chosen to be tazed by acting a fool with the cops say that it didn't hurt, it was a strange sensation that they never want to feel again. What do you libs want???? Do you want cops just walkin around and when they see criminals say in a soft voice..."Now, now... you guys don't do that okay??? Please??" FREAKIN RIDICULOUS


So in your opinion, acting a fool gets you tazed??? OH MY, that take care of not only half the area population, but half my cop buddies too!!!

Oh my goodness, SIX cops around, and this young man was asking a question that Kerry SAID he wanted to answer, that it was an important question, and then SIX COPS came in and they GRINNED the whole time they threatened and tazed.

To me, and to my COP FRIENDS, it was abuse of power, pure and simple.
PR Peter RiellyPost Master
quote:
Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:

So in your opinion, acting a fool gets you tazed??? OH MY, that take care of not only half the area population, but half my cop buddies too!!!

Oh my goodness, SIX cops around, and this young man was asking a question that Kerry SAID he wanted to answer, that it was an important question, and then SIX COPS came in and they GRINNED the whole time they threatened and tazed.

To me, and to my COP FRIENDS, it was abuse of power, pure and simple.


Actually, ignoring the command of a police officer to discontinue your current corse of action is against the law. This idiot kid did that. When you ignore the command of a police officer twice that's disorderly conduct and an arrestable offense. Then, on top of all that, when you ignore again you are resisting arrest which is a "tazable" offense.
Bottom line is, if the police officers believed he was unruley, WHICH HE WAS, then they had a right to tell him to knock it off. This crackpot kid chose the rest for himself.
PR Peter RiellyPost Master
quote:
Originally posted by Karl Leuba:
It is the law, when a cop tells you to shut up you get tasered and arrested if you don't shut up. THAT LAW IS A VIOLATION OF FREE SPEECH, IF IT ACTUALLY EXISTS.


Yes, if you are being disorderly LIKE THIS IDIOT LITTLE CRACKHEAD THAT YOU FOOLISHLY ARE DEFENDING WAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For the last time I will make this simple, common sense, logical progression of thought statement....He acted a fool, the police told him to stop acting a fool...he didn't... The police told him to stop acting a fool again...he didn't...The police attemped to escort him out of the auditorium(without tazers by the way)...the little freakin idiot not only resisted, he jerked away and ran like a fool back down the isle, while acting a fool... He got tazed. This is not a first amendment issue, this is an idiot grandstanding kid acting a fool issue...That's it.
Sassy KimsSassy KimsOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by Karl Leuba:
OK you all win, I did not see what you say you saw, and I saw as much as there was to see. KERRY ACCEPTED HIS QUESTIONS. Any more questions? HE WAS SO OUT OF LINE THAT HIS QUESTIONS WERE ACCEPTED. Any more questions?


Kerry was not in charge. Kerry had no say so. Kerry was a guest speaker. Meyers was a guest of the university. When you have guests in your house, you have the right to make the rules and expect the guests to abide by them. The university was correct in laying down ground rules and expecting them to be followed.
Sassy KimsSassy KimsOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by Karl Leuba:
It is the law, when a cop tells you to shut up you get tasered and arrested if you don't shut up. THAT LAW IS A VIOLATION OF FREE SPEECH, IF IT ACTUALLY EXISTS.


Meyers wasn't tasered for not shutting up. Meyers was tasered because he was resisting a lawful arrest for disorderly conduct. It had nothing to do with his question (or lack of one, considering his rambling, overlong statement). It had everything to do with his being disruptive, disturbing the peace and engaging in argumentative and fighting behavior.

Get over it Karl. There was no violation of free speech here. Just a mouthy kid who tried to gain some fame by disturbing a question and answer session with a wanna be ex-presidential candidate.
PR Peter RiellyPost Master
quote:
Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
quote:
Originally posted by Karl Leuba:
It is the law, when a cop tells you to shut up you get tasered and arrested if you don't shut up. THAT LAW IS A VIOLATION OF FREE SPEECH, IF IT ACTUALLY EXISTS.


Meyers wasn't tasered for not shutting up. Meyers was tasered because he was resisting a lawful arrest for disorderly conduct. It had nothing to do with his question (or lack of one, considering his rambling, overlong statement). It had everything to do with his being disruptive, disturbing the peace and engaging in argumentative and fighting behavior.

Get over it Karl. There was no violation of free speech here. Just a mouthy kid who tried to gain some fame by disturbing a question and answer session with a wanna be ex-presidential candidate.


Sassy, I'm beginning to think if we tell Karl a red barn is in fact red, he argue til the end that it was really green....That's what I feel like I'm doing with these folks, I'm screaming THE BARN IS RED, THE BARN IS RED!!!! But they just keep on thinking it's green, so I give. You're right, I'm right, the cops were right...
But I am getting out of this one, it's far to insignificant a topic to waste anymore time one.
NashBamaNashBamaOld Faithful
quote:
But, you have several recourses to the officer's orders. If you believe the order was in violation of your civil rights, file a police malfeasance complaint. Or, if serious, find a lawyer and sue.


Exactly, this kid was allowed a couple minutes to rant and then they tried to remove him. Instead of just going out with them peacefully, he physically fought them and created a disruption. Tasers are a good way to take the fight out of someone who is not cooperating.

The only way to fight a cop is with a lawyer. If you feel a cop is violating your rights, keep quiet and simply cooperate. Use your one phone call to contact an attorney and deal with him that way. Trying to physically resist a cop is not only allowing them to stack more charges on you, but gives them the right to subdue you. That means you get shocked.
S SeaweedPost Master
There is nothing new under the Sun.
Check out some of the lines from "Monster" by Steppenwolf from the 70's about our country.

(speaking of America)

And though the past has it's share of injustice
Kind was the spirit in many a way
But it's protectors and friends have been sleeping
Now it's a monster and will not obey

The spirit was freedom and justice
And it's keepers seem generous and kind
It's leaders were supposed to serve the country
But now they won't pay it no mind
'Cause the people grew fat and got lazy
And now their vote is a meaningless joke
They babble about law and order
But it's all just an echo of what they've been told
Yeah, there's a monster on the loose
It's got our heads into a noose
And it just sits there watchin'

Our Cities have turned into jungles
And corruption is stranglin' the land
The police force is watching the people
And the people just can't understand
We don't know how to mind our own business
"Cause the whole worlds got to be just like us
Now we are fighting a war over there
No matter who's the winner
We can't pay the cost
'Cause there's a Monster on the loose
it's got our heads into a noose
And it just sits there watching

America , where are you now
Don't you care about your sons and daughters
Don't you know we need you now
We can't fight alone against the monster.



This song is just as relevant now as they were back then.

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