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So Deep Fat walks into a bar and orders a drink.  The bartender comes over and Deep says "you know I'm atheist?"  The bartenders says "yep" and Deep says "how can you tell, is it my oversize head?".  The bartender thinks for a sec and says "Nope, it's because you are in here every night for two years and it's the only thing you talk about.  You should probably get a life". 

Actually I don't think atheists do run around telling everybody that they're atheists. This forum is set up for an exchange of opinions so of course we will post here. Out of all the times I have met people I can honestly say I have never said to them, you know I'm an atheist, unless THEY ask or they start wanting to tell me about their "god". Then it is done politely and if they keep their manners I keep mine. It is completely up to them where the conversation goes. What is insisting that people pray outloud over a PA system at a school sporting event if not a "look at us, we're christians" statement? So I'd say the most likely person the bartender would encounter would not be an atheist but someone wanting to tell him all about his god.

The nutjob premillennialists, with their un-Biblical, un-Christian end times nonsense (rapture-tribulation, Antichrist, etc.) provide atheists like Hitchens with ammunition to attack religion.

He and other atheists will use the example of these extremist beliefs and of extremism in other religions to attack the concept of there being a God.  Hitchens' characterization of the "rapture" is correct.  It would create enormous chaos, as trains, planes and automobiles, left without operators, crash and burn all over the world. Nuclear plants, left without sufficient staffs, would go into meltdown. I could go on, but you get the picture.  My God is not the author of such confusion.

Darbyite, Scofieldian nonsense is not of God.

 

Read and learn:

 

http://www.christiancourier.co...ing-premillennialism

 

 

Thanks to hitchens I’m afraid the Deep Fats of society will find themselves on a driver-less plane at some point in time thinking hitchens is a pilot. It is truly unbelievable that any sane person nurses on this absurd man. There are subtle brain diseases that go un-noticed by society and these affected walk among us.

 

again DF you owe me. you have wasted another ten minutes of my time watching another one of your links.

Bill, once again I am disappointed in you. I have at times taken up for you, as have Joy and others. I think this post above all others has shown your true colors. Perhaps I should mark this date on the calendar. The "rapture" is a bunch of hooey, and one doesn't have to be a Calvinist to realize that--one just has to be able to read and mentally process information.

 

Originally Posted by DarkAngel:

You are 100% right dogsoldier. That is usually how I tell if someone is a Christian or not. If they are self righteous, mean spirited, hateful, and pushy I know without a doubt I am dealing with a Christian.

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"Self righteous, mean spirited, hateful and pushy"? Then you ARE a Chirstian after all!

 

And Jennifer must be about to take Holy Orders!   

 

Bill Gray has discovered (he thinks) a way to identify the beliefs of others posting on this forum.  For Bill, it is a simple thing--just examine the source of any link posted by a forum participant and assume that the member is fully in accord with all the beliefs endorsed by such source.

 

That approach is, of course, absurd, for it is possible to find particular Biblical beliefs well explained and defended within a source that misses the mark on other beliefs.  But by Bill's irrational reckoning, it would follow that in posting a specific reference to some narrow topic at some web site, one is thereby logically deemed to embrace all of the remaining content of that source.

 

Thus doth operate the polemically-compromised, crabbed and narrow mind of our boy Bill Gray.

quote:   Originally Posted by FirenzeVeritas:

Bill, once again I am disappointed in you. I have at times taken up for you, as have Joy and others. I think this post above all others has shown your true colors. Perhaps I should mark this date on the calendar. The "rapture" is a bunch of hooey, and one doesn't have to be a Calvinist to realize that--one just has to be able to read and mentally process information.


Hi Firenze,

 

You say the Rapture is a bunch of hooey.  Can YOU support that from Scripture?   How about you post to me from Scripture why you do not believe in the Rapture -- and, I will respond from Scripture why I do believe in the Rapture.   No rock throwing from either side -- only a Friend to Friend Scripture based discussion.  Are you game?   We can do this on the forum, via PM, or via e-mail.  I sincerely would like for us to honestly discuss this issue -- as Friends.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:   Originally Posted by FirenzeVeritas:

Bill, once again I am disappointed in you. I have at times taken up for you, as have Joy and others. I think this post above all others has shown your true colors. Perhaps I should mark this date on the calendar. The "rapture" is a bunch of hooey, and one doesn't have to be a Calvinist to realize that--one just has to be able to read and mentally process information.


Hi Firenze,

 

You say the Rapture is a bunch of hooey.  Can YOU support that from Scripture?   How about you post to me from Scripture why you do not believe in the Rapture -- and, I will respond from Scripture why I do believe in the Rapture.   No rock throwing from either side -- only a Friend to Friend Scripture based discussion.  Are you game?   We can do this on the forum, via PM, or via e-mail.  I sincerely would like for us to honestly discuss this issue -- as Friends.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Bill, there is plenty of scripture and analysis relative to the "end times" and the falsity of premillennialism in the link I posted above on this topic.  Thus, if you are sincerely looking for scripture-based reasons that many competent scholars assert that premillennialist eschatology is in error, you could find plenty in that link to address with whatever rebuttal you can conjure up. How about making an honest effort to do that.  You needn't address ALL the numerous references to scripture in that link; just pick a few and have at it.  The arguments made there are pretty much the standard arguments directed against premillennialism, so if you really wish to get down and wrestle with this issue, you have been provided with a very good place from which to begin. Are YOU game?

Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:

Dogsoldier, when one prevents a woman from entering a health clinic, when one prevents stem cell research from being performed, when one teaches children that the Earth is 6000 years old, of what should we think about these actions?

 

DF

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DF we are all aware that you physically placed your body in harms way at a birth control clinic out there in voodoo land. Should abortion be illegal in every case? Thankfully I’ve never been in a situation to decide for someone.  There are those who can claim firsthand knowledge that a loved one died in childbirth. If it had been my daughter I feel like I would have chosen the life of my daughter.

DF stem cell research is doing just fine.

I still recommend the 6k package/ w /instructions for you.

Deep I truly feel that I am on the cutting edge of science. I promise you if something comes up that threatens my advice to you as being inadequate I will surely let you know.

We are truly in some exciting times of scientific discovery. Some of it appears as healthy science and some does not.

DF here is one idea that I’ve mentioned a few times before but I don’t think anyone had a clue as to what I meant. This, in my opinion, is one area of new science that every person needs to become quickly familiar with.

“Brain science “will eventually begin to influence how the public views justice and responsibility,” Dr. Gazzaniga said at a recent conference here sponsored by the Edge Foundation.

And there is no guarantee, he added, that its influence will be a good one.

For one thing, brain-scanning technology is not ready for prime time in the legal system; it provides less information than people presume.”  http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11...ing-voices.html?_r=1

Believe me, this science is  going to influence your everyday life, not just in court systems but everything you do and on a global basis. This technology will usher in the greatest change for mankind in history. Good or bad. I have referred to it as COGSCI [cognative science].

 

Ironically abortion will be decided based on this science.

By intelligent dialogue, Bill means one that he feels comfortable in "winning".  Otherwise, Bill chooses to say things like Contendah has his "head stuck up his butt" when he knows that someone can legitimately refute his claims on his own playing field.  Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.  Bill calls us children, yet when the game doesn't go his way, he throws a tantrum and takes his ball home with him.

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Con/Beter,

Since Firenze has the capacity to think and reason -- my invitation to a discussion is for Firenze and me.  

I will wait to have an intelligent dialogue with a person such as Firenze who has the ability and mind for an honest discussion.

Bill

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Kissing up doesn't work with most people on this forum, but just might with Firenze.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Con/Beter,

Since Firenze has the capacity to think and reason -- my invitation to a discussion is for Firenze and me.  

I will wait to have an intelligent dialogue with a person such as Firenze who has the ability and mind for an honest discussion.

Bill

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Kissing up doesn't work with most people on this forum, but just might with Firenze.

 

Why? So I may continue to play on a playground you just told "mom" was yours? Sorry, at this point I don't like Bill. Period. While I didn't particularly like mom's tact on her post, I would never tell her that she wasn't welcome.

 

I make no bones about being a Christian--or about my personal beliefs as to what being a Christian means. While I've learned much here, I don't pretend that learning is the primary reason I'm here. Semi, if someone told you that you had to describe your beliefs in one word, what would that would be? Most of us here can do that and not beat around the bush.

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:

Hi Con/Beter,

 

Since Firenze has the capacity to think and reason -- my invitation to a discussion is for Firenze and me.  If she wants to accept, I will be most happy to dialogue with her on the issue of the Rapture and other Eschatology issues.

 

However, your head is so buried and wrapped in legalism -- that you could not see the truth if it bit you in the butt.  So, you just continue with your tirades and I will wait to have an intelligent dialogue with a person such as Firenze who has the ability and mind for an honest discussion.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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For starters, Luke 17, verses 20 and 21. The Kingdom of Christ is not physical.

Semi, if someone told you that you had to describe your beliefs in one word, what would that would be? Most of us here can do that and not beat around the bush.

 

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If your one word answer is "god" that wouldn't really be an answer.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:

Kissing up doesn't work with most people on this forum, but just might with Firenze.

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Originally Posted by FirenzeVeritas:

Why? So I may continue to play on a playground you just told "mom" was yours? Sorry, at this point I don't like Bill. Period. While I didn't particularly like mom's tact on her post, I would never tell her that she wasn't welcome.

 

I make no bones about being a Christian--or about my personal beliefs as to what being a Christian means. While I've learned much here, I don't pretend that learning is the primary reason I'm here. Semi, if someone told you that you had to describe your beliefs in one word, what would that would be? Most of us here can do that and not beat around the bush.

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You're pulling a Bill & putting words in my mouth. I never said "my" playground. My exact words were "You don't like our playground? Go find another & play by yourself."

Notice the word "our"??? And where did I say "Mom" wasn't welcome??

 

Making no bones about being a Christian doesn't make a Christian. I've seen your judgment of others on this forum.

I would love for you to tell me where I have "beat around the bush" about my beliefs.

 

 

Originally Posted by FirenzeVeritas:

You're an atheist, agnostic, or believer. Your posts indicate to me that you're an atheist. Am I correct?

 

The word "our" conveys the principal of "my." If I say our playground, that would mean that I owned part of it, would it not?

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Look up any of my post & show me where I have ever said I was an Atheist. I really don't care what my post indicate to you. Your post indicate to me that you're not a Christian. So, where do you want to take this from here?

 

No, it would not. "My" would be belonging to me, & no one else. "Our" would be relating to us, ourselves or ourself.

 

This is not even "our" forum. It belongs to the Shelton Publishing Co.

 

Being a Christian doesn't make one perfect. It also doesn't make one a doormat for potshots. We judge every day. If we didn't make judgments, we could not even cross the street safely. We can also judge con artists and scammers. God doesn't say we have to be anyone's punching bag to be saved.

Originally Posted by FirenzeVeritas:

This is not even "our" forum. It belongs to the Shelton Publishing Co.

 

Being a Christian doesn't make one perfect. It also doesn't make one a doormat for potshots. We judge every day. If we didn't make judgments, we could not even cross the street safely. We can also judge con artists and scammers. God doesn't say we have to be anyone's punching bag to be saved.

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If it wasn't for the people that uses this forum, there wouldn't be one. So, it is ours....to use.

 

You know good & well I wasn't speaking of judgments such as crossing a street safely, or con & scam artist. 

Read James 3:5-7 - It's about Christians, Gossip & Controlling the tongue. There's many scriptures that speak of the same.

I've seen you say things about people that weren't here to defend themselves.

 

Originally Posted by FirenzeVeritas:

Could you give me an example of one. I've been on this forum over four years, so I may have forgotten a comment or two. Your help is appreciated.

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Back in July when you accused me of being your “old friend” Taciturn, as you put it.  You said she was the one who reported a poster for answering a question regarding the meaning of MILF. You didn’t know that for a fact, you were repeating what someone told you.

Then you made the remark “Perhaps it was PMS” as a way to make fun of her.

I feel sorry for anyone that has been the subject of lies, gossip, & mud slinging.

 

There's other comments you've made about people. I'm tired & going to bed so I won't be looking them up again tonight. Wouldn't change anything anyway, just as I'm sure you'll have a reason for the one I've shown you.

 

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by FirenzeVeritas:

Could you give me an example of one. I've been on this forum over four years, so I may have forgotten a comment or two. Your help is appreciated.

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Back in July when you accused me of being your “old friend” Taciturn, as you put it.  You said she was the one who reported a poster for answering a question regarding the meaning of MILF. You didn’t know that for a fact, you were repeating what someone told you.

Then you made the remark “Perhaps it was PMS” as a way to make fun of her.

I feel sorry for anyone that has been the subject of lies, gossip, & mud slinging.

 

There's other comments you've made about people. I'm tired & going to bed so I won't be looking them up again tonight. Wouldn't change anything anyway, just as I'm sure you'll have a reason for the one I've shown you.

 

 

No, Taciturn herself admitted reporting the poster who told her what MILF meant. That's not gossip; that's a fact. Is saying perhaps someone posted while in the throes of PMS any different than making a cruel remark, then following it wish a smiling emoticon?

From John Galt 11/27/07:

 

I am a friend of Interventor. He asked me to say good-by. The day before he traveled to the Shoals he was suspended by the TD administrator. Despite several e-mails to determine the reason or length of suspension, he received no answer. He suspects it is his response to Taciturn on MILF.

 

 

From Taciturn 11/28/07:

 

Me too, I feel partly responsible. I was one of those that asked what those letters meant.



From Bud'sfarm 11/28/07:


That’s right, Tac.

All you did was ask... all he did was answer... I don’t know because, prude that I am, I didn’t follow it. But it is my understanding, his answer was by a PM so refresh my memory how/why it became public.

 

 

From Taciturn 11/28/07:

 

His answer was in a PM, so I'm just as confused how it came to be known if it was. I posted in another discussion (started by me) that he PM'ed me the answer. (which started out as a big mistake on my part, which I corrected as soon as I realized it).




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Hmmmm I have been following this exchange and if that is somehow supposed to prove that this Taciturn admitted that she reported interventor then I think you need to dig up better evidence. That to me reads as if this Taciturn was saying that she felt bad because she ask what MILF meant and by his answering it caused him to get banned.

 

Please continue.....

Originally Posted by DarkAngel:

Hmmmm I have been following this exchange and if that is somehow supposed to prove that this Taciturn admitted that she reported interventor then I think you need to dig up better evidence. That to me reads as if this Taciturn was saying that she felt bad because she ask what MILF meant and by his answering it caused him to get banned.

 

Please continue.....

 

 

Yes, DA, she asked in the public forum. Interventor replied in a PM. Now either the admin/mods were reading the PMs or the recipient of the PM reported it or the recipient of the PM forwarded it to another forum member who reported it. Three choices there.

quote:   Originally Posted by FirenzeVeritas:

Bill, once again I am disappointed in you.  I have at times taken up for you, as have Joy and others.  I think this post above all others has shown your true colors.  Perhaps I should mark this date on the calendar. The "rapture" is a bunch of hooey, and one doesn't have to be a Calvinist to realize that--one just has to be able to read and mentally process information.


Hi Firenze,

 

You find something I wrote in my earlier post offensive.  I have gone back and looked at that post -- and, honestly I cannot see what I wrote that you find offensive.

 

I wrote that Deep is an atheist who preaches for his Church of Nothing and augments that from his Church of YouTube.  Do you find that offensive?  If so, why?  We all know that Deep is a avowed atheist -- atheism does indeed teach Nothing -- and, Deep most certainly is addicted to YouTube.

 

And, I asked Con/Beter if he is a Reform Calvinist -- because in the other discussion he began he seems to champion a Reform Calvinist web site.   And, I asked him: or are you in the extremely legalistic form of the Church of Christ.  True, not all Churches of Christ are extremely legalistic and maybe your is not.  However, over the years of dialoging with Beter, he is very legalistic.  

 

Do you find my questions and comments to Beter offensive?  If so, why? 

 

What did I ask either Deep or Beter that you find offensive?   I sincerely do not know what I have written in that post to offend you and why you now have decided that you do not like me anymore because of that post.

 

Firenze, I pray that you will respond to my questions; for I do consider you a Friend.  Respond on the open forum or in a PM, whichever you like.  But, please do respond -- and let's not allow Beter to be the spokesman between us.

 

We both realize that Jennifer, Chick, and Crusty will do everything in their power to jump into this dialogue.  But, those I can easily ignore.  I am sincere about wanting to hear from you.

 

Thank you and God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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