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Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Old extra dumb doesn't have a clue about the funding of John Hopkins or any other hospital.

Once again Bestworking your reading comprehension fails you.

 

 This discussion is not about funding hospitals, it's about the people who started them in the first place. As I asked, Name the charity work that feed the hungry, clothes the naked or treats the sick that was started by an atheist. That's not a hard question to understand, and if you cannot, I suggest going back to first grade.

 

 BTW, it's been two days, you got the name of those benevolent atheist doctors yet, people are dying.

BTW, it's been two days, you got the name of those benevolent atheist doctors yet, people are dying.

 

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Then why isn't your church helping them? You made the claim that churches fed, clothed, paid bills for, and got medical help for people. Get a 10 year old to explain this to you. The doctor that did the survey is a christian. He did not release the names of the doctors. I gave you his contact info so you could go to him and ask him, the only one that would know the names, who those doctors are. Now since you claim that churches do all you said, why do you keep those names a secret?  I've ask you for more than three days to name the ones you claim help the poor and since you can't I can only conclude that you lied. No shocker that. And btw, last time for this, as in the case of St. Jude, it does not matter who started the hospital. What matters is who supports it. Again, get a child to explain all this to you because you have no reading comprehension at all. Now back to your corner with jimi and buffalo.

Originally Posted by SistahToldYa:

I was criticized for mentioning a medical professional I use. I would recommend this person to anyone. Not all competent people are Christians.(I am and always will be.)

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I am going to assume that maybe you are not aware of the witch hunt that has been going on since the prayer at football games ruling recently. There is a FB page where many Christians were naming professionals in our area that they thought to be atheist or Humanist and they were calling all Christians to boycott their businesses. There was even some mention of boycotting any business that employed anyone that was a member of the local Humanists group. The man that made the complaint about the prayers over the PA system at the county school football games received threats and was harassed by some of these Christians. So when you posted the name, and business of the vet, you put her in great danger in this community. Not only could her practice suffer but she could face physical harm because of it. Sad I know....but that is the reality in which non-believers live in this town. 

Originally Posted by DarkAngel:

I am going to assume that maybe you are not aware of the witch hunt that has been going on since the prayer at football games ruling recently.

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Kind of reminds me of the Salem Witch trials that took place in colonial Massachusetts in 1692-93. Reverend Cotton Mather & several other ministers in the colony, were strong supporters of the prosecution of witches. Life was governed by the precepts of the Church, which was Calvinist in the extreme.

By the time the witch hunt ended, more than nineteen women, believed to be witches & found guilty, were executed, all in the name of Christianity.

 

 

I had occasion one year to serve as one of the fundraisers for the local United Way. I was given the task of soliciting donations from physicians, CPAs, and some other group of professionals.  I know enough of the people on the list to know that almost all were Christians.  Total amount raised from some 200 of these good Christians.  About $300.  Pathetic.

Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

I had occasion one year to serve as one of the fundraisers for the local United Way. I was given the task of soliciting donations from physicians, CPAs, and some other group of professionals.  I know enough of the people on the list to know that almost all were Christians.  Total amount raised from some 200 of these good Christians.  About $300.  Pathetic.

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It could just be that they choose to give their money to charities that use a larger percentage of their donations to actually HELP people instead of using to to pay their large saleries.  I do not give to the United Way myself. I much prefer to either donate to my local food bank, my local women's shelter, my local animal shelter, and the Salvation Army. With those, I know my money isn't just being plowed back into advertising or administrative costs.

 

Originally Posted by O No!:

It could just be that they choose to give their money to charities that use a larger percentage of their donations to actually HELP people instead of using to to pay their large saleries.  I do not give to the United Way myself. I much prefer to either donate to my local food bank, my local women's shelter, my local animal shelter, and the Salvation Army. With those, I know my money isn't just being plowed back into advertising or administrative costs.

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We buy for needy children/families this time of year. We always donate to St. Judes.

After hearing a friend that worked inside the Salvation Army & the American Red Cross tell us where the money really goes, we stopped donating to them.

If any of you want to help out locally I think that the Heavenly Grace Ministries (homeless shelter) in Sheffield is a really good cause. They are trying to purchase a building right now to house women and children. They have a place for men already. They are in need of funds, food, coats and blankets. 

 

Also the Sidney's Safe Foundation which supports the Pack them with Love charity, Wrap them with love and Cover them with love....all those charities are geared to help feed, clothe, and help get needy kids gifts for x-mas. It is 100% local and every dime goes to the needy. 

 

Or you can donate to Humanists of the Shoals. We support both of these charities and 100% of the donations we receive go directly to the charities. No one in our organization receives a salary. 

Originally Posted by DarkAngel:

If any of you want to help out locally I think that the Heavenly Grace Ministries (homeless shelter) in Sheffield is a really good cause. They are trying to purchase a building right now to house women and children. They have a place for men already. They are in need of funds, food, coats and blankets.

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Would we donate to them directly or give it to someone else?

I agree that so many charities pay full time workers and have high overhead. In the non-human realm, I'm giving only to Norths**** Animal League now. They do hire professional fundraisers, but they come to the Shoals and take unwanted animals back to the northeast where there is a shorter breeding season.

 

For strictly human charity, Hearts Cry ministry in Elgin does a fantastic work, giving to two nursing homes each Christmas and several other causes during the year.

Originally Posted by semiannualchick:
Originally Posted by DarkAngel:

If any of you want to help out locally I think that the Heavenly Grace Ministries (homeless shelter) in Sheffield is a really good cause. They are trying to purchase a building right now to house women and children. They have a place for men already. They are in need of funds, food, coats and blankets.

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Would we donate to them directly or give it to someone else?

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Semi, you can donate to them directly, or make a donation of money, food, coats...etc.. To Humanists of the Shoals. 

 

https://sites.google.com/site/humanistsofshoals/home

 

Or read more here about the homeless shelter and who to contact there directly

 

http://www.waaytv.com/news/loc...oHEqN30hekAlDmw.cspx

 

Or for the SSF that runs the Pack them with love, wrap them with love and cover them with love.....

 

http://www.facebook.com/pages/...tion/113133938708176

Originally Posted by DarkAngel:

If any of you want to help out locally I think that the Heavenly Grace Ministries (homeless shelter) in Sheffield is a really good cause. They are trying to purchase a building right now to house women and children. They have a place for men already. They are in need of funds, food, coats and blankets. 

 

Also the Sidney's Safe Foundation which supports the Pack them with Love charity, Wrap them with love and Cover them with love....all those charities are geared to help feed, clothe, and help get needy kids gifts for x-mas. It is 100% local and every dime goes to the needy. 

 

Or you can donate to Humanists of the Shoals. We support both of these charities and 100% of the donations we receive go directly to the charities. No one in our organization receives a salary. 

DA, love on ya.

 

DF

Originally Posted by O No!:
Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

I had occasion one year to serve as one of the fundraisers for the local United Way. I was given the task of soliciting donations from physicians, CPAs, and some other group of professionals.  I know enough of the people on the list to know that almost all were Christians.  Total amount raised from some 200 of these good Christians.  About $300.  Pathetic.

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It could just be that they choose to give their money to charities that use a larger percentage of their donations to actually HELP people instead of using to to pay their large saleries.  I do not give to the United Way myself. I much prefer to either donate to my local food bank, my local women's shelter, my local animal shelter, and the Salvation Army. With those, I know my money isn't just being plowed back into advertising or administrative costs.

 

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You don't know anything about the United Way, do you?

Originally Posted by CrustyMac:
Originally Posted by O No!:
Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

I had occasion one year to serve as one of the fundraisers for the local United Way. I was given the task of soliciting donations from physicians, CPAs, and some other group of professionals.  I know enough of the people on the list to know that almost all were Christians.  Total amount raised from some 200 of these good Christians.  About $300.  Pathetic.

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It could just be that they choose to give their money to charities that use a larger percentage of their donations to actually HELP people instead of using to to pay their large saleries.  I do not give to the United Way myself. I much prefer to either donate to my local food bank, my local women's shelter, my local animal shelter, and the Salvation Army. With those, I know my money isn't just being plowed back into advertising or administrative costs.

 

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You don't know anything about the United Way, do you?

Ditto!

Originally Posted by A. Robustus:
Originally Posted by O No!:

Actually, it looks like I know a lot more about the United Way than either of you. Here is an article from Charitynavigator.org which explains why I won't give to the United Way.

 

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=content.view&cpid=105

Which proves that you don't know anything about our local United Way.

So, if I give $100 to the Boy Scouts, through the local United Way, the Boy Scouts will receive $100? This can be answered with a simple yes or no. Your answer will tell how much you really know.

Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

I had occasion one year to serve as one of the fundraisers for the local United Way. I was given the task of soliciting donations from physicians, CPAs, and some other group of professionals.  I know enough of the people on the list to know that almost all were Christians.  Total amount raised from some 200 of these good Christians.  About $300.  Pathetic.

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Crust, they put their money in the collection plate where they are sure where the money is going.

      Besides you will have to admit a shifty look on your part.

Crust, they put their money in the collection plate where they are sure where the money is going.

      Besides you will have to admit a shifty look on your part.

 

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Right, so they can be sure it's going into the church's stash. That shifty look tells them you might actually get the money to the ones that need it.

Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by A. Robustus:
Originally Posted by O No!:

Actually, it looks like I know a lot more about the United Way than either of you. Here is an article from Charitynavigator.org which explains why I won't give to the United Way.

 

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=content.view&cpid=105

Which proves that you don't know anything about our local United Way.

So, if I give $100 to the Boy Scouts, through the local United Way, the Boy Scouts will receive $100? This can be answered with a simple yes or no. Your answer will tell how much you really know.

No.  Something along the lines of $99.95 or better based on what I have seen.   

Originally Posted by O No!:

Actually, it looks like I know a lot more about the United Way than either of you. Here is an article from Charitynavigator.org which explains why I won't give to the United Way.

 

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=content.view&cpid=105

This isn't the cesspools of corruption normal in Chicago or Washington.  I've had a chance to work with several of their supported agencies, and the local office.  I've seen the books.  I know quite a bit about the local programs.  And I believe you can see how the money is actually distributed locally, if you ask.

Originally Posted by lexum:
Originally Posted by CrustyMac:

I had occasion one year to serve as one of the fundraisers for the local United Way. I was given the task of soliciting donations from physicians, CPAs, and some other group of professionals.  I know enough of the people on the list to know that almost all were Christians.  Total amount raised from some 200 of these good Christians.  About $300.  Pathetic.

ryryryryryryryryryryryryryryryryryryry

Crust, they put their money in the collection plate where they are sure where the money is going.

      Besides you will have to admit a shifty look on your part.

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I'm sure my shifty look had something to do with it.  How much of the donations to the local churches gets spread around to programs in the community?  5%?  Probably not that much, need to be sure the kitchens are in good shape for this month's pot-luck dinner.

Crust-0-matic you know good-and-well churches are the only reason charity exists. That is because it has been taught in the Good Book for thousands of years. Who are the experts inb charity? The religious of course.

          It’s actually refreshing to see Adit and his band of merry men giving to the poor.

This religious forum has at least influenced the atheist for some good.    So let it bode.

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