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    The Holy Bible affirms this.

In Hebrews 12:9 it states,  “the Father of all Spirits”.

In Job 38:8 it says, “all the sons of God shouted for joy.”

In First John 3:2 it says, “ Beloved, now are we the

   sons of God, and it doth not yet    

   appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him;   

    for we shall see him as he is.

In Acts 17:28 it says, “we are the offspring of God.”

In Romans 8:16 it says “we are the children of God and if Children then heirs-joint heirs 

    with Christ.”

Our Father in Heaven is a personal God who has form. “We shall see Him.” He occupies space. He loves us, His Spiritual Children. He (God our Father) has only one Begotten Son, Jesus Christ who has a Body of Flesh and Bones like his Father.

In Luke 24 it says,

    39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.

41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?

42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. It is undeniable, we are in fact Spiritual Children of God the Father.

   His Only Begotten Son Jesus Christ has a Body of Flesh and Bones as he showed his 

   Disciples. Jesus Died and Suffered for all Man/Woman Kind. He loves us as does His Father,

   our Spiritual Father. Our God.

Skippy

Skippy

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We know where you are coming from, Skippy.  It is your old, silly, fictional Mormon notion that God occupies Himself in heaven with his myriad of wives, begetting upon them, in the natch'el way, hordes of chillens who are sent to Earth.  Of course, in this perverted and deranged theology, that God is just one of many Gods, each with his own planet.  Moreover, male Mormons are said to be able to progress to a similar status, having for themselves their very own planet, their very own enormous harem of Mrs. Gods, and their very own enviable task of being the stud hoss god  copulating continually to generate offspring with which to populate their own particular planets.

 

G         E       T                 O      U      T       T     A            H     E     R    E   with all that hideous, heretical tripe!

Hi Skippy,

You tell us, "We are All Spiritual Children of God the Father."

Yet, the Bible tells us that is NOT true.  The Bible tells us that only those who have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, i.e., those who are saved and will spend eternity with God -- are the children of God.   All others are children of the flesh and still belong to their leader, Satan.

John 1:12, "But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name."

Romans 9:8, "That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as  descendants."

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

Originally Posted by Contendah:

We know where you are coming from, Skippy.  It is your old, silly, fictional Mormon notion that God occupies Himself in heaven with his myriad of wives, begetting upon them, in the natch'el way, hordes of chillens who are sent to Earth.  Of course, in this perverted and deranged theology, that God is just one of many Gods, each with his own planet.  Moreover, male Mormons are said to be able to progress to a similar status, having for themselves their very own planet, their very own enormous harem of Mrs. Gods, and their very own enviable task of being the stud hoss god  copulating continually to generate offspring with which to populate their own particular planets.

 

G         E       T                 O      U      T       T     A            H     E     R    E   with all that hideous, heretical tripe!

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G         E       T          O      U      T       T     A          H     E     R    E

          WHY ?????????

 

I know you have a hard time face actual scriptural facts.

These are scriptures from the Holy Bible. Do you find fault with these scriptures? If so how? If so, please explain what these particular scriptures mean in your Beterthanthou mind. Is there hidden codes that us lay people can’t understand? Why do you want me OUT of HERE? Do you think your not a Child of God? If so how, when God Created everything including you? Why are you so Bitterthanus? Beternun you need to splain when you post. Back it Up.

Skippy

Originally Posted by skippy delepepper:
Originally Posted by Contendah:

We know where you are coming from, Skippy.  It is your old, silly, fictional Mormon notion that God occupies Himself in heaven with his myriad of wives, begetting upon them, in the natch'el way, hordes of chillens who are sent to Earth.  Of course, in this perverted and deranged theology, that God is just one of many Gods, each with his own planet.  Moreover, male Mormons are said to be able to progress to a similar status, having for themselves their very own planet, their very own enormous harem of Mrs. Gods, and their very own enviable task of being the stud hoss god  copulating continually to generate offspring with which to populate their own particular planets.

 

G         E       T                 O      U      T       T     A            H     E     R    E   with all that hideous, heretical tripe!

________________________________________________________

G         E       T          O      U      T       T     A          H     E     R    E

          WHY ?????????

 

I know you have a hard time face actual scriptural facts.

These are scriptures from the Holy Bible. Do you find fault with these scriptures? If so how? If so, please explain what these particular scriptures mean in your Beterthanthou mind. Is there hidden codes that us lay people can’t understand? Why do you want me OUT of HERE? Do you think your not a Child of God? If so how, when God Created everything including you? Why are you so Bitterthanus? Beternun you need to splain when you post. Back it Up.

Skippy

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Skippy, it is only you and your fellow heretics who believe that being the "offspring of God" means that the God of the universe, Jehovah God Himself, comes equipped with human, mammalian genitalia and that he uses that endowment to propagate zillions of children comprising all of the races of mankind.  My Bible tells me that "God is a spirit and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth." Spirits do not go about constantly  copulating with an enormous harem of heavenly goddesses.  Nothing you have posted supports any of this wild-ass, speculative, fictional Mormon nutiness on the nature of God.

 

By the way, you did not address what I wrote on the moronic doctrine of progression of human males to godhood, heavenly harems, etc..  Oh, yeah, Mormons don't like to discuss that; they know it is a turn-off for potential converts who know what is ridiculous when they hear it.

It is a dangerous thing to take scripture out of context.  Yes, Hebrews 12:9 does say "the Father of all spirits" but Hebrews 12:16 says, "that there be no immoral or godless person like Esau."  Here is a reference to a person who had a spirit but was godless!"

Job 38:8 should be Job 38:7 and it is when God is chastizing Job.  It is obvious that God is NOT talking about humans because the verses in Job 38 are speaking of when God created the earth.  We were Not created until after the earth.

First John 3:2 who is John writing to?  He is writing to Christians and not to the lost.  This is the same John who wrote John 1:12; "But as many as received Him, TO THEM gave He the power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name."  Enough said!

John 24 is the resurrection story.  Jesus was showing His followers that He was indeed alive.  There are not any of the Pharasees or Scribes there, only those who trusted in HIm.

In John 17:12 Jesus (which is part of Jesus High Priestly Prayer) refers to Judas as the "son of perdition" as the one who perished.  He is not speaking of an earthly death but of a spiritual ****ation away from God.  Study the original languages and find the truth.

Here is an example of the danger of taking Scripture out of context and applying it to our lives.  A man was looking for answers and came across a Bible.  He had always heard about the Bible and decided to see if he could find an answer of what he was suppose to do.  He closed his eyes, opened the Bible, placed his finger on a verse, opened his eyes and read Matthew 27:5 that says, "... departed and went and hanged himself."  Thinking this could not be the answer decided to try again.  Using the exact same method found another verse, this time it was Luke 10:37; "Then Jesus said unto him, 'Go, and do likewise.'"  These are both ligitamit Scriptures but are taken out of the context in which they are written.

Only those who have received the Word of God, and have surrendered their life to Jesus Christ are the sons of God.  Not everyone is a son or a child of God.  One last Scripture to consider:

42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. 46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? 47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

John 8:42-47 (KJV) 

So either Jesus is a liar OR there are those who are NOT sons of God.  If Jesus is a liar then all of this is topic is a waste of time because we are all lost in our sins and separated from God, not because He doesnt love us because He does, but because our sinfulness and rebellion makes us reject God and the truth of His Word.

 

 

 

quote:  Originally Posted by skippy delepepper:

Bill, were we or were we not created by God?  If your answer is YES.  How could we not be His Children?   Skippy


Hi Skippy,

 

Yes, God did indeed CREATE everyone.  However, only those who by grace, through faith, believe and follow Jesus Christ -- are His children.  Take another look at these Scripture verses:

 

John 1:12, "But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name."

Romans 9:8, "That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as  descendants."

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

Jimi, in this world there are several things that are worth "fighting" for.  If someone were telling lies about you would you sit there and do nothing or make a defense for yourself and your beliefs?  It is funny how people who do not know the truth of the Gospel would call this "Church people fighting."  Trust me, being a pastor I have seen Church people "fight" but my faith is not based on the Church but on Jesus Christ alone.  If I as a Christian am not willing to make a defense for the Christian faith and beliefs then I am not much of a Christian.  If someone is using Scripture out of the context in which it is written that is heracy and to keep false teachings out someone must make a stand.

 

I will totally agree with you that some of the comments posted on this blog are mean spirited and hateful.  That is not the way Christ would have taken care of the situation and is a bad reflection on the Church as a whole.  

 

Before casting judgment on the whole Church please consider this; the Lord Jesus told us that there are both wheat and tares (weeds) in the Church.  The tares are non-Christians and often are people who believe they are Christian, carry the name of Christian, but have never really surrendered to Christ as their Savior.  Jesus went on to say that we cannot separate them but in His time He will.

 

Just like with any other thing be it a business, a social club, etc. there are those who may have "membership" but are not really a part of the whole.  They have an agenda.  It is sad but unfortunately true this happens in the Church as well.  Churches, like any thing else, has their problems.  I hope you took time to read what I have written earlier in this blog.  I do not think I was hateful or mean spirited, just making a defense for the faith that I have.  To not do so would prove me to be ashamed of what I believe.  Paul wrote, "For I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ for it is the power of salvation..."  I am not ashamed!  I would love to talk with you someday about this if you are willing.

Be blessed, my prayers are with you.

Randy 

Yo, Skippy--Here it is again for you:

 

Moreover, male Mormons are said to be able to progress to a similar status, having for themselves their very own planet, their very own enormous harem of Mrs. Gods, and their very own enviable task of being  stud hoss gods, copulating continually to generate offspring with which to populate their own particular planets.

 

"By the way, you did not address what I wrote on the moronic doctrine of progression of human males to godhood, heavenly harems, etc..  Oh, yeah, Mormons don't like to discuss that; they know it is a turn-off for potential converts who know what is ridiculous when they hear it."

 

What say you, Skippy?  Gonna SKIP this one again?

Originally Posted by Bill Gray:
quote:  Originally Posted by skippy delepepper:

Bill, were we or were we not created by God?  If your answer is YES.  How could we not be His Children?   Skippy


Hi Skippy,

 

Yes, God did indeed CREATE everyone.  However, only those who by grace, through faith, believe and follow Jesus Christ -- are His children.  Take another look at these Scripture verses:

 

John 1:12, "But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name."

Romans 9:8, "That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as  descendants."

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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Hi Bill,

  I am sincere in asking you, do you think our Spirits were created by God?  The two verses you mention:

John 1:12, "But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name."

Romans 9:8, "That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants."

These are totally true. Those who seek after the flesh (things of the world) become as the world and are not of God. Nor will they be his Heirs. What we do upon this earth decides if we will be His Heirs or not. (His Children) My whole point to this post is to state that I truly believe that we are Spiritual Children as we are brought into this world. We are perfect as babes. If we die as a babe, we die as a perfect person and inherit a place in God’s Kingdom. Our Spirits were created by God and how we act upon this World determines whether we remain His Children or not.

Skippy

Originally Posted by Contendah:

Yo, Skippy--Here it is again for you:

 

Moreover, male Mormons are said to be able to progress to a similar status, having for themselves their very own planet, their very own enormous harem of Mrs. Gods, and their very own enviable task of being  stud hoss gods, copulating continually to generate offspring with which to populate their own particular planets.

 

"By the way, you did not address what I wrote on the moronic doctrine of progression of human males to godhood, heavenly harems, etc..  Oh, yeah, Mormons don't like to discuss that; they know it is a turn-off for potential converts who know what is ridiculous when they hear it."

 

What say you, Skippy?  Gonna SKIP this one again?

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If you notice above I will respond to Bill. Bill stated legit concerns and scripture to back-up his questions. You on the other hand post ignorant un civil comments that we’ve gone back and forth on already. If you have something new with scripture. Please get back to me. As far as me being a God, asked and answered before-NO not this kid. As for harem of wives, Not on your or my Life! Please Bitterthanall, give me some NEW Material.

Thank you,

Skippy 


 

quote:  Originally Posted by skippy delepepper:
Hi Bill,  I am sincere in asking you, do you think our Spirits were created by God?  The two verses you mention:  John 1:12, "But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name."  and Romans 9:8, "That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants."

These are totally true.  Those who seek after the flesh (things of the world) become as the world and are not of God.  Nor will they be his Heirs.  What we do upon this earth decides if we will be His Heirs or not. (His Children)  My whole point to this post is to state that I truly believe that we are Spiritual Children as we are brought into this world.  We are perfect as babes.  If we die as a babe, we die as a perfect person and inherit a place in God’s Kingdom.  Our Spirits were created by God and how we act upon this World determines whether we remain His Children or not.  Skippy


Hi Skippy,

 

You have posted several good comments and questions -- which I feel deserve good answers.  And, I feel that this dialogue should not be buried under senseless chit-chat.  So, I have begun a new discussion titled "Who Are Children Of God - And Who Are Not?"  Take a look.

 

I also shared our dialogue with my Friends Ministry -- for I believe the points we discuss will be interesting to them also.  By the way, if you would like to be on my Friends Ministry mail list; just PM me your e-mail address.  You will not be the only LDS/Mormon on my list.  I have been sharing dialogues with a Mormon Elder for years.  And, there may be others on my list who are Mormon. 

 

I do not share our dialogues as a negative; but, to show both sides of the coin.  I do not agree with your church; but, it is your church and I do respect that.   And, because I do not agree, I will share Biblical views that I feel refute what the LDS church teaches.  That said, I do consider you my Friend and I respect your right to share your beliefs -- just as I feel I have a right to refute them.  Isn't that what a Religion Forum is all about?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

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