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Originally posted by b50m:
Goes both ways, I remember a few from you as well.

Truce?


Well, since it's July 4th weekend and there are much bigger battles going on in the world, truce. But don't be too nice to me because I won't know how to handle it, or how to reciprocate. LOL!

Now on with the snot throws.....
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Originally posted by b50m:
gdr,
Don't worry about Billy Joe, he is a confirmed atheist who loves to torment Christians with questions of why and how and show me.
The only proof he will accept of God is Him appearing before BJ with a guitar, beer and naked women and telling him to have fun. Smiler


Right there with him honestly. It's not a deity that I would have a problem believing in if I knew he really existed, it's the man that writes the books about a deity existing that I have a problem believing. If history has taught us anything, it's that man isn't exactly trustworthy and will do anything to remain in power. It's not a God that most atheists would have a problem believing in if they had tangible evidence. It's the kooks that make up all these different religions and try to tell us how to live our lives and tell us why their Santa Claus is less imaginary than the others Easter Bunny.
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Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob Gene:
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Don't worry about Billy Joe, he is a confirmed atheist who loves to torment Christians with questions of why and how and show me.

If these questions "torment" Christians, then they should be tormented.

And thanks, Loki. You get it.


Agreed Billy Joe. And yes you do Loki.
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Originally posted by Loki:
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Originally posted by b50m:
gdr,
Don't worry about Billy Joe, he is a confirmed atheist who loves to torment Christians with questions of why and how and show me.
The only proof he will accept of God is Him appearing before BJ with a guitar, beer and naked women and telling him to have fun. Smiler

Right there with him honestly. It's not a deity that I would have a problem believing in if I knew he really existed, it's the man that writes the books about a deity existing that I have a problem believing. If history has taught us anything, it's that man isn't exactly trustworthy and will do anything to remain in power. It's not a God that most atheists would have a problem believing in if they had tangible evidence. It's the kooks that make up all these different religions and try to tell us how to live our lives and tell us why their Santa Claus is less imaginary than the others Easter Bunny.

And, yet, Loki,

You buy into everything that Darwin, Dawkins, Hitchens, et al, write as though it is gospel. In a way, it is their gospel -- for they run with their "good news" all the way to the bank every week; thanking their gods for all the suckers who buy their books and make them rich.

Who says atheist do not have gods?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Bill Gray:

My Friends, the religion that GD is pushing, the religion his L. Ray Smith is pushing -- is not Christianity


Hi Bill, I hope you do not mind answering a few questions for me. Who is Jesus talking about here? Please pay very close attention to all the words.

Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Which group of religious leaders in the world come in the name of Jesus, proclaiming Jesus is the Christ? It seems most have assumed that to mean there will be MANY individuals that will claim to be Christ, but in reality there probably have not been more than a few crackpots in the history of the world that have ever claimed to be Christ, and I seriously doubt more than a few (not many) were deceived by them.

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Which group of religious leaders in all the world call Jesus Lord, prophesy (teach) in His name, cast out demons in His name and do many wonderful works?

Luk 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

Which group of religious leaders have been (and still are) telling people for centuries that "Jesus is coming soon"? When in reality no one knows when He is coming.

2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Who on this planet could this be possibly talking about, that has a "form" of godliness after that of Jesus? Is it the 1.1 billion atheists? Could it be the 1.5 billion people practicing Islam? Or the 900 million Hindu? Or maybe the 300+ million Buddhist? How about the 14 million practicing Judaism? Or could it be the relatively few Satanists? Do any of these religions of the world do ANYTHING in the name of Jesus and call Him Lord and have a "form" of godliness as we know it?

Mr. Gray, does this verse sound familiar to you and them commentators you highly respect?

Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Why are you pointing your finger at me Mr. Gray? Did I write the Scriptures? Am I quoting myself? Are these my words? Do the Scriptures lie? Is it because I quoted them, believed them to be true, and it "cut" you to hear them? Was it simply because I told you the Truth as it is written?

Joh 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Gal 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

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GD and his retired roofer are so above all Christians -- that they refuse to attend any church fellowship. Yet the Bible tells us we should be in Christian fellowship with like minded believers. L. Ray Smith tells us, and I have to assume this applies to our Friend, GD, aka, Al Williams, also


You should really check before making such false statements. True fellowship is defined here.

1Jn 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Does fellowship have to be a physical meeting? And Who is our fellowship with? True fellowship is with Christ, in Truth and Spirit, having the mind of Christ, and living as He did. I can at any time, in an instant have fellowship with Jesus, without ever going into a church building, and I dont have to pay no stinking ten percent.

If you had done your homework you would know Mr. Smith used to hold monthly bible studies (before he got sick) in his own home, and once a year he hosts a bigger meeting in Alabama and people from all over the world are usually in attendance. Those that are able to go do so, and many believers do as Jesus, the Apostles and disciples did, which was to meet in private homes. For those of us that are unable to meet physically, we meet at forums.bible-truths.com. But the emphasis has never been on the physical meetings, as we all believe what the Word of God says about true fellowship, which is in Spirit with Him. So basically we can have "church" when ever we want, not just on Sundays, in a building, and we are never required to pay tithes, which in itself is a sin to enforce on NT believers.

Since you are accusing Ray also of not fellow shipping, here is another excerpt from one of his papers. I think your gonna like this.

http://bible-truths.com/lake11.html

'NOT FORSAKING THE ASSEMBLING OF OURSELVES TOGETHER'

In Hebrews 10:25 were are admonished as follows:

"Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as you see the day approaching."

That this is speaking of believers congregating together to worship and study God’s Word, there can be no doubt. However, there is a much deeper meaning to this "assembling" that few have ever seen. I never saw it myself until I read a paper by J. Preston Eby, entitled: "FORSAKE NOT THE ASSEMBLING."

I will quote an excerpt or two from his paper:

"The Greek word for ‘assembling’ is EPISUNAGOGE. The word, literally, is a verb meaning to synagogue. It is a compound of the Greek prefix EPI with the word SUNAGOGE from which we get our transliterated English word Synagogue. EPI means super – imposition – that which is above, higher than, highest, upon. SUNAGOGE means a meeting, assembly, or gathering. Putting these two words together, EPI-SUNAGOGE means THE ABOVE SYNAGOGUE, THE HIGHER MEETING, THE HIGHEST ASSEMBLY, THE HIGHER-THAN-ALL-GATHERINGS!

It bespeaks of something far greater than merely collecting so many breathing bodies together in one place.

It is a meeting in a higher realm, on a higher plane, in the high places of the Spirit, and in the heights of Truth. It is a gathering together in a dimension above. It indicates an assembling IN THE SPIRIT…"

(All Caps belong to Mr. Eby).

This Greek word episunagoge is used only one other time in Scripture, and that is in II Thes. 2:1:

"Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together [Gk: episunagoge] unto Him."

In Hebrews 10 we are admonished to "assemble" in an high meeting, a meeting in the SPIRIT! In II Thes. 2 this meeting in the Spirit will become a literal meeting with our Lord.

And so, back to our question once more: Which denomination should we join? Where should we go to Church? Where should we "forsake not the assembling of ourselves together?" In a physical building of some physical denomination? No. WE are to episunagoge (assemble) on a higher plane, in a higher realm, in a spiritual assembly, IN THE SPIRIT!

This is not something new. This is exactly what Jesus Christ taught regarding where and how we are to (go to church) worship God.

"The woman said unto Him, Sir, I perceive that you are a prophet. Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye [all the Jews] say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship. Jesus said unto her, Woman, believe Me, the hour comes, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour comes, and now is, when the TRUE worshippers shall worship the Father in SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH: for the Father seeks such to worship Him. God is Spirit: and they that worship Him MUST worship in SPIRIT AND TRUTH" (John 4:19:24).

We have got to get out of the depths of Satan if we are to worship God in Spirit and Truth. The Church is filled with the depths of Satan. That is not the place to go to worship God in spirit and truth. Did Jesus go to the synagogues to worship His God?

"And when He [Jesus] had sent the multitudes away, He went up into a mountain apart [Gk: ‘by Himself’] to pray: and when the evening was come, He was there alone" (Matt. 14:23).

Amazing, isn’t it. Jesus "assembled [Gk: episunagoge]" with His Father BY HIMSELF, ALONE. We can do the same. Not just on Sunday morning or Wednesday evening, with a crowd, in a building, but on every day of the week, and we can do it while we are ALONE.

How often church buildings and temples are referred to as "The House of God." This is nonsense. God does NOT dwell in houses, buildings, churches, or temples made with hands.

"God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that He is Lord of heaven and earth, dwells NOT in temples made with hands."

And

"Howbeit the Most High dwells NOT in temples made with hands" (Acts 17:24 & 7:48).

How often Jerusalem is called, "The Holy City." People want to visit Jerusalem because they think it is HOLY GROUND. There is nothing holy about it. Constantly Satan’s ministers refer to Jerusalem as the Holy City, and how we should pray for "the peace of Jerusalem." Let me assure you that all of those prayers are going to go unanswered because, "…for the son of the bondwoman [Jerusalem that now is--under bondage] shall not be heir with the son of the free woman [Jerusalem which is above and free]" (Gal. 4:30b).

Mr. Gray you are making this way too easy, or maybe you like to hear me and Ray preach? I don't mind either way, the Truth needs to be told. Hopefully someone out there might benefit and be freed from the hypocrisy and lies of the clergy.

Peace

gdriggs
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thanking their gods for all the suckers who buy their books and make them rich.


Um...what's the difference between this man selling books and YOU encouraging people, even providing the link to Dr. ANthony Pezzotta (whatever his name was) book??!?
So it's only okay to push literature of which you approve....oh, I see.........
Hi all,

I do sincerely pray that you will recognize this new persona of our old New Age Friend, Al Williams. First, he came on the Religion Forum trying to push his New Age bible, the Urantia Book. He created six different personas in an attempt to fool people into thinking he had followers.

Now, he has surfaced again; pushing the same New Age religion, i.e., forget Chrstianity, forget being involved in a Christian fellowship -- follow him and his retired roofer who teaches that all religions are the same and all people will be saved.

Pure Universalist Unitarian New Age tripe! I realize that all of our secular, atheist, and other non-believeing Friends will be cheering for this man -- just as they cheered for the first Al Williams.

And, I realize that there are a few who dislike me because I will not follow their Roman Catholic traditions -- and will therefore follow anyone, Satan himself, in wanting so badly to disagree with me.

I am not worried about those people. They make their own beds. I am addressing the many Christian believers and those who might be seeking. This man, GD, is pushing a pure New Age religion -- just as bad as his initial Urantia Book New Age religion. Beware!

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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d, I realize that there are a few who dislike me because I will not follow their Roman Catholic traditions -- and will therefore follow anyone, Satan himself, in wanting so badly to disagree with me.


If you are referring to me, don't worry- I am not following Satan, but yes, I vehemently disagree with you, on many, many issues.
Who cares whick posting name anyone uses?
Its an anomymous, public forum.
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And, I realize that there are a few who dislike me because I will not follow their Roman Catholic traditions --

Bill, there are many on here who find you distasteful who do NOT belong to the Catholic church.
They also don't belong to the Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, Lutheran, CoC, etc.

Bill, when you tell every one they are wrong in their belief, and you are the only one right, it's not a good way to get people to read the Bible.

You are an intelligent man, you have worked hard all your life, but now you are trying to be the "Father" to people who don't need an earthly father. They can think and reason for themselves. They can read the Bible and understand it for themselves. Try asking people to read, instead of telling them 'what it means'. Isn't that the same thing you accuse the churches of doing?
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Originally posted by Bill Gray:
This man, GD, is pushing a pure New Age religion -- just as bad as his initial Urantia Book New Age religion. Beware!

You should come wiht (sic) your own disclaimer, Bill Gray, because you teach very very dangerous theology....

Hi VP,

Face it, if a book does not have IMPRIMATUR stamped on every page; you will not read it. While I look at Who authored the book; you want to see who blessed it.

But, as I have said before; you have your religion, I have my Christian faith. So be it.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Won't it be sad when the smug look on Bill's face is wiped off when he meets his maker and is told how badly he messed up in life, turning people away from God by insisting that HE is the ONLY one who "has it right"?

I have a suggestion, but it'll only work if we ALL do it. If we ALL put Bill on ignore, he won't have anyone left to insult, belittle, lie to (Girlscouts Bill), or push away from God. While I feel sorry for Bill for his self-absorbed ways, I feel worse for those who are genuinely seeking when they happen upon Bills insulting posts. If we all put him on ignore, he'll go away eventually, and then we can get back to having serious discussions that will enlighten rather than drag down.

If you're willing to join me, just post with an "I'm in", or something to that effect.
You might have seen my other post in which I apologized to the reasonable, intelligent posters here for losing my temper with Gray.

I won't put him on ignore, as one needs to keep one's enemies close, but I will try not to respond to him. I reserve the right to respond to him in the case of personal insults.

Regarding anything like intelligent conversation, Gray has demonstrated he is beneath that, and I will not be responding to his missives.
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Originally posted by b50m:
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And, I realize that there are a few who dislike me because I will not follow their Roman Catholic traditions --

Bill, there are many on here who find you distasteful who do NOT belong to the Catholic church. They also don't belong to the Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, Lutheran, CoC, etc.

Bill, when you tell every one they are wrong in their belief, and you are the only one right, it's not a good way to get people to read the Bible.

You are an intelligent man, you have worked hard all your life, but now you are trying to be the "Father" to people who don't need an earthly father. They can think and reason for themselves. They can read the Bible and understand it for themselves. Try asking people to read, instead of telling them 'what it means'. Isn't that the same thing you accuse the churches of doing?

Hi B50,

You have made very good points in your comment. you will find that I have answered them in the new discussion titled "Stop! - Danger Ahead! - Turn Around!"

I look forward to your comments there.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob Gene:
You might have seen my other post in which I apologized to the reasonable, intelligent posters here for losing my temper with Gray.

I won't put him on ignore, as one needs to keep one's enemies close, but I will try not to respond to him. I reserve the right to respond to him in the case of personal insults.

Regarding anything like intelligent conversation, Gray has demonstrated he is beneath that, and I will not be responding to his missives.


WOW, DEEP - AND YOU SAID GOD DOES NOT ANSWER PRAYERS!

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