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Ironically, things are not as rosy as the Left would have had us believe it would be in the Leftist utopia that is the Great northwest. Former wait staff are now mad that the new minimum wage actually is causing them to make less money. See, they were making on the average $27 per hour with their gratuities, but now with the new minimum wage they get $15 an hour, plus some form of profit sharing, which is not enough for them.  people are seeing price increases of up to 21% in some places. An ironically, the very institutions of higher learning, the hot bed of liberalism in the NE, has not adopted the minimum wage hikes for their employees.

Ah, the irony would be hilarious, if it were not so sad that the direction this country is headed is straight down.

 

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Hillary in 2016?  Why not?  We've already had one "girly man" serving in office for the past 7 years, we might as well give her chance as well!

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What's the problem? 

 

It just took effect 2 days ago. Already you are screaming that the sky is falling. 

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...-wage_n_6989350.html

 

"Local seafood chain Ivar's and a Seattle grocery co-operative said they would pay employees $15 per hour before the ordinance took effect. The University of Washington, the city's largest employer, said it would bring 70 employees who earn less than $11 an hour to that level on April 1."

The problem is, if a worker was worth fifteen bucks an hour, they would probably already be making it.  I challenge anyone on this forum to open a food service business and make fifteen dollars an hour.  I'm sorry, but mr. or miss I can't do basic math without a calculator ain't worth fifteen dollars an hour.  So many of them can't even give the correct change when the cash register tells them how much it is.

Originally Posted by mad American:

The problem is, if a worker was worth fifteen bucks an hour, they would probably already be making it.  That would require schooling and actually having a goal in life. I challenge anyone on this forum to open a food service business and make fifteen dollars an hour. Or work only 40 hours a week.  I'm sorry, but mr. or miss I can't do basic math without a calculator ain't worth fifteen dollars an hour. Some can't even do basic math with a calculator. So many of them can't even give the correct change when the cash register tells them how much it is. To them, a job is only a means to get money to buy weed, gas, cigarettes, and have money to party with. The jobs with the least demanded of them for the most money is what they are looking for. And still they resent their employers for expecting them to do the job they agreed to do when they were hired.

 

 

Put your money, home, possessions, worries, time, 'blood sweat and tears' on the line for a business and if it does take off, hire people to help keep it thriving and/or build it into something larger. Then let someone tell you that you didn't build that business, someone else did, and that they deserve as much out of the business as you do, and try to punish you if you don't agree.

The entire effort is a desperate last ditch stand for the unions,  Except for a few of the trades, workers in the public sector have quit the unions.  When allowed, same for workers in the public sector.  Unions are now attempting to attract workers at the margin.  Unions had their place in the last 19th and early 20th centuries. However, unless they evolve like a few trade unions, they will join the Dodo bird and wooly mammoth as extinct creatures.

 Unions had their place in the last 19th and early 20th centuries. However, unless they evolve like a few trade unions, they will join the Dodo bird and wooly mammoth as extinct creatures.

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If they  become extinct, it will be because the one percent that owns congress makes their puppet congress people vote them out and the blind, obedient workers keep reelecting the same ones that sold their souls for the checks.

Income distribution will prove that.

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

 Unions had their place in the last 19th and early 20th centuries. However, unless they evolve like a few trade unions, they will join the Dodo bird and wooly mammoth as extinct creatures.

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If they  become extinct, it will be because the one percent that owns congress makes their puppet congress people vote them out and the blind, obedient workers keep reelecting the same ones that sold their souls for the checks.

Income distribution will prove that.

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Still advocating an economic model of a century ago.  Progressives, another dodo bird.  Unions do have a place in the third world, which is a century behind.

Mad, have you ever seen jt gripe about soros or any other big money democratic supporters? Ever seen any of them mention kerry's millions? The kennedy's millions or pelosi or reids millions? Of course not, but he and other lefties never stop ******** about the Koch bros and/or Romney. Add to that, Romney is a Mormon. That's awful in the eyes of some, but nary a peep about reid being a Mormon or the muslims in office.

Bet jt isn't letting anyone redistribute anything he has. I bet you have your little nest egg all protected while you talk about how others ought to have theirs taken away.

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I never made a multi million dollar salary while closing american plants and opening foreign plants.

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If you don't think a CEO should make a few million a year, do you think people should be allowed to collect the millions given away in the lottery?

 

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I never said a successful CEO should not make over a million a year. I think a successful company should share their success across the board with the workers who made it possible. Instead, the top .005 gets 90% of the income and profits are going to offs**** tax shelters.

 

Still advocating an economic model of a century ago.  Progressives, another dodo bird.  Unions do have a place in the third world, which is a century behind.

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Dire, you are advocating for the economic model of the 1890's which gave us the robber barons and led the way for labor reforms. I am advocating for the present day workers who are facing the same conditions as labor 100 years ago. Modern day greed and the robber barons are the same.

Mad, have you ever seen jt gripe about soros or any other big money democratic supporters? Ever seen any of them mention kerry's millions? The kennedy's millions or pelosi or reids millions? Of course not, but he and other lefties never stop ******** about the Koch bros and/or Romney. Add to that, Romney is a Mormon. That's awful in the eyes of some, but nary a peep about reid being a Mormon or the muslims in office.

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Best, read what I post, not what you want it to mean. I haven't given either side a pass. I have said there is too many millionaires in congress that weren't millionaires when they were first elected. BOTH SIDES.

I never said a successful CEO should not make over a million a year. I think a successful company should share their success across the board with the workers who made it possible. Instead, the top .005 gets 90% of the income and profits are going to offs**** tax shelters.

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It IS shared, by paychecks. And the workers are not the ones that 'made it possible'. Are you going to pretend you don't use tax shelters?

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Originally Posted by Bestworking:

I never said a successful CEO should not make over a million a year. I think a successful company should share their success across the board with the workers who made it possible. Instead, the top .005 gets 90% of the income and profits are going to offs**** tax shelters.

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It IS shared, by paychecks. And the workers are not the ones that 'made it possible'.

To be fair in a big public company neither did the CEO unless like Fred Smith he created it.

Best, read what I post, not what you want it to mean. I haven't given either side a pass. I have said there is too many millionaires in congress that weren't millionaires when they were first elected. BOTH SIDES.

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You have never gone after the rich democrats. You have never gone after soros. I do read what you post and I know the things you don't post, or go near in a discussion. Rich democraps and foreign democratic supporters are some of those things you avoid.

It IS shared, by paychecks. And the workers are not the ones that 'made it possible'. Are you going to pretend you don't use tax shelters?

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It is shared by paychecks paying as low as possible, so as much as possible goes to the top .005.

Please tell me what tax shelter I use, or have used. Please answer, I will reply honestly.

 

There has been times where I asked you for actual examples of what I have done. I always told you that I would answer honestly. Give the examples. 

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Originally Posted by jtdavis:

It IS shared, by paychecks. And the workers are not the ones that 'made it possible'. Are you going to pretend you don't use tax shelters?

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It is shared by paychecks paying as low as possible, so as much as possible goes to the top .005.

They take the jobs for the salary offered. How do you know it's as low as possible? Plenty of people love the salary they make. What gives you the authority to say what people make and whether or not it's enough for what they do?

Please tell me what tax shelter I use, or have used. Please answer, I will reply honestly.

I don't do your taxes, so you will have to tell us.

 

There has been times where I asked you for actual examples of what I have done. I always told you that I would answer honestly. Give the examples. 

Examples of what you have done about what?

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

Still advocating an economic model of a century ago.  Progressives, another dodo bird.  Unions do have a place in the third world, which is a century behind.

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Dire, you are advocating for the economic model of the 1890's which gave us the robber barons and led the way for labor reforms. I am advocating for the present day workers who are facing the same conditions as labor 100 years ago. Modern day greed and the robber barons are the same.

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JT,  You're proof of my comment as you refuse to realize times and circumstances have changed -- the methods of the progressives are about as relevant to today as outhouses and kerosene lamps.  In 1890, about half the workforce was on the farm -- its less than 3 percent today.  Factories of that time used repetitive labor to perform rather simple functions -- one reason child labor was still common,  Skilled workmen were rare because their skills weren't required, except in rare circumstances for which they were well paid. 

 

Today, we need knowledge workers -- literate people with skills and education.  Education thru 12th grade is free and two years as a community college are highly subsidized.  Little stands between a young person and a good career, except his own stupidity.  Unions, unless they are involved in helping their members acquire knowledge and skills, are as worthless as punch cards for weaving patterns or the skills to make punch cards. 

 

The robber barons of 1890 soon became the poor folks of 1894 after the panic of 1893  -- when many fortunes were leveled and companies made bankrupt.  Wealth in the US is quite fluid -- part of the creative destruction of the free market.

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

There has been times where I asked you for actual examples of what I have done. I always told you that I would answer honestly. Give the examples. 

Examples of what you have done about what?

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Best, keep posting empty, negative things without any proof 

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What empty negative things? Asking you questions while you just keep jerking things out of the air?

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Best. you make statements about me and my posts, you ask questions about me and my posts. When I tell you to ask me real questions and I will answer honestly, you resort to unfounded questions. Why can't you ask a question that I can post an answer to? Do you not know how to ask a honest question? That probably is the answer, you can't ask a honest, true question. I'm waiting on you.

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From my understanding the Unions spent almost a billion dollars in this recent campaign to raise the minimum wage. The reason is pretty obvious. The average minimum wage worker is not a union employee.  I dare say there are any union workers who make minimum wage, because they are a trade group, and to their credit they do have a program to train people for their craft. The idea however, is that if they can see the minimum wage almost double, they can they justify a doubling of the union salaries.  The same salaries that saw the bankruptcy of the big auto plants.  There is a tipping point in the business model where it becomes nonprofitable. When a product costs so much to make that it cannot be sold. People flipping burgers, which are sold for a few bucks cannot justify $15 an hour, and expect to make the business profitable at the current prices.  The article simply points out how the falacy that prices would go unaffected was a ruse by the Left. On top of this those making high wages off of tips are now suffering the consequences of this action. Welcome to the redistribution of wealth.  It simply does not affect the top 1%, it affects everyone.

Originally Posted by jtdavis:

Best. you make statements about me and my posts, you ask questions about me and my posts. When I tell you to ask me real questions and I will answer honestly, you resort to unfounded questions. Why can't you ask a question that I can post an answer to? Do you not know how to ask a honest question? That probably is the answer, you can't ask a honest, true question. I'm waiting on you.

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Waiting on me for what jt?

No, you don't answer questions. You leave the thread or ignore the questions. No matter how many times you are asked something, you will claim you answered it, but can't show where you did so. How many times did I ask you when Reynolds and Ford would be leaving the Shoals, and which Republicans (none) were responsible for them leaving and which dems brought them there(none)? When you posted they would be leaving it showed, that as usual, you had no idea what you were talking about, you couldn't even get the man's name right, so you just ran. That's what you do, you abandon threads when asked for links to proof of your statements, then later, make the same lame claims, and when called on it say you 'answered' before. So again, I ask:

 

Examples of what you have done about what?

 

 

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 No matter how many times you are asked something, you will claim you answered it, but can't show where you did so. How many times did I ask you when Reynolds and Ford would be leaving the Shoals, and which Republicans (none) were responsible for them leaving and which dems brought them there(none)? When you posted they would be leaving 

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Best, you ask generalized questions which have no definite answers. I ask for specific things, all you do is post slurs.

I did post which party was in power when TVA, Reynolds, and Ford came to the Shoals. I can't post when Reynolds and Ford WOULD BE LEAVING, they left years ago. Do you remember? I did post WHEN THEY LEFT, and which party was in power.

Reynolds and Ford really have already left. If you don't believe me, do some research.

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