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What happens when you dont pay your bill.......

LG Lets Go Jeepin'Hall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by Eastside:
it was more important to prove a point in the mayor's eyes.


I agree with this somewhat, because it should not have been an issue for them to go ahead and put it out once on scene.

However, I dont think that was the cause for not initially responding to the fire. They stated this has been the policy for years and years and that this has happened before (not responding to a call due to non payment.) The only difference here is they were on scene and still let it burn.
B barksdale.jeffEverybody Knows My Name
quote:
Isn't the internet wonderful.. This guy COULD pay!


Gene Cranick Farm
5187 Buddy Jones Road
South Fulton, TN 38257-7709 map

Phone:
(731) 479-3550

Gene Cranick Farm is a private company categorized under Livestock Producers and located in South Fulton, TN. Current estimates show this company has an annual revenue of less than $500,000 and employs a staff of approximately 1 to 4.


He has a revenue of less than 500,000 which is more than likely the bottom stat for that website. So you ASSume that because he owns a business that produces a revenue of less than 500k that he has the money to pay this.

LETS SEE IF YOU CAN READ THIS. This did not say the man made 500k...it said his business turned 500k.

If his business profited 30% that would be 150k and has 1 - 4 employees. I guess those people work for free.

And yes the internet is a wonderful thing for those who know how to use the information provided.
B barksdale.jeffEverybody Knows My Name
quote:
South Fulton FD calls (2006):

30 in-town
23 rural

That is 43% rural, not 75%.
Half of 23 is 11 unpaid calls or a grand total of $825.
South Fulton FD is 17 volunteers.

Total Obion county calls 2006:

1369 in town
245 rural

15% rural, not 75%

Olbion County 2000 census:

18,000 in town
14,000 rural

The rural population is not 13 times the in-town population, it is 41% of the in-town population.



This is a blog/chat I happen to run across. Notice that they have 17 VFF

I wonder if the chief is the only one on the city payroll?
MLentz 2MLentz 2Hall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
quote:
Originally posted by MLentz:
You all CONTINUE to miss the point. The fire department had a moral obligation to respond when called for help NO MATTER what the circumstances. I tell you what........as a volunteer firefighter here in Lauderdale County NO ONE and I mean NO ONE will tell me that I cannot respond to a call for help by anyone. Period.


WRONG. Here's the situation...there's a police/SWAT team stand off at a residence where there is at least one victim and the shooter is still inside the residence despite the fact that the dwelling is on fire. Since the early stages of the confrontation took place outside of the residence, police have delineated a perimeter with crime scene tape to preserve any evidence. That would be the yellow tape that has words on it like "CRIME SCENE---DO NOT CROSS". The professional law enforcement officers are not going to let an amateur fire fighter near that fire. Professional means you are paid for what you do, amateur means you VOLUNTEER your services.


Obviously Pea Sheller you are not a professional anything by the remarks listed above. Myself as a professional volunteer firefighter will absolutely NOT enter a burning building if the scene is unsafe. Unsafe being the threat of violence. I'm going to work hand in hand with the local law enforcement personnel before I enter the building. Why? What good am I if the "shooter" takes me out. Give me a break. You really made yourself look stupid with your comment.
I love the way you highlight VOLUNTEER and use terms such as "Amateur". If you intended to take a cheap shot at the volunteer fire service....go right ahead. Just remember that 73% of the firefighters in the United States are volunteer. We are all professional. We attend the same training. The difference is "volunteer" and "career". We are brothers to each other and see no difference. The City of Florence Professional Firefighters are very good to help us in the time of need. On the flip side, the Professional Volunteer Firefighters help the City of Florence Professional Firefighters at numerous times throughout the year. We have and will always work together. So, don't try to throw in the "professional and volunteer" hot stick into this debate.
Oh....and by the way, February the 8th of 2009 I almost lost my life while fighting a house fire. I suffered a broken back, broken leg, broken foot, broken ribs (all of them), broken hip, Broken pelvis, a concussion and a punctured right lung. For the life of me I don't remember the wall the fell on me deciphering if I were a "professional, volunteer, paid, amatuer or career firefighter.
That's ok.......apology accepted Smiler
C C.O.B.R.A.Hall of Famer
Weren't they on the scene to protect the neighbors property that did pay the fee?
quote:
Originally posted by Lets Go Jeepin':
quote:
Originally posted by Eastside:
it was more important to prove a point in the mayor's eyes.


I agree with this somewhat, because it should not have been an issue for them to go ahead and put it out once on scene.

However, I dont think that was the cause for not initially responding to the fire. They stated this has been the policy for years and years and that this has happened before (not responding to a call due to non payment.) The only difference here is they were on scene and still let it burn.
LG Lets Go Jeepin'Hall of Famer
COBRA - yes

WRIGHT - Exactly

Lentz - Well probably have to agree to disagree. Personally, I believe in what you are saying about Firemens hearts are in putting out the fire. My point was the 'thought process' of the homeowner more than that of the firemen on scene.

Shel - My original thought behind this thread was the 'entitlement' attitude the homeowner seemed to have. I usually think alot of your opinion, whether I agree or disagree, but

quote:

Professional means you are paid for what you do, amateur means you VOLUNTEER your services.


I cant get with you on. No way. Volunteer Firemen go through all the training that career firemen do. Many of them are first responders, as well, and are trained in basic first aid. Me, personally, I am an amateur. If my house was burning, I would call the professionals, Volunteer or Career. I would not grab my hose and try to fight it without any help.

Jeepin'
b50mb50mOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by barksdale.jeff:
quote:
Isn't the internet wonderful.. This guy COULD pay!


Gene Cranick Farm
5187 Buddy Jones Road
South Fulton, TN 38257-7709 map

Phone:
(731) 479-3550

Gene Cranick Farm is a private company categorized under Livestock Producers and located in South Fulton, TN. Current estimates show this company has an annual revenue of less than $500,000 and employs a staff of approximately 1 to 4.


He has a revenue of less than 500,000 which is more than likely the bottom stat for that website. So you ASSume that because he owns a business that produces a revenue of less than 500k that he has the money to pay this.

LETS SEE IF YOU CAN READ THIS. This did not say the man made 500k...it said his business turned 500k.

If his business profited 30% that would be 150k and has 1 - 4 employees. I guess those people work for free.

And yes the internet is a wonderful thing for those who know how to use the information provided.


If he has run a farm for 21 years with 4 employees, I think he could have put together $75 dollars once a year. He should have known as a ''business man' that a fire would put him out of business.
You would think a 'business man' would not gamble $150,000 for a pittance of $75.

Let's see how many times the family story changes before all this is over.
OkieDokieOkieDokieHall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by MLentz:
quote:
Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
quote:
Originally posted by MLentz:
You all CONTINUE to miss the point. The fire department had a moral obligation to respond when called for help NO MATTER what the circumstances. I tell you what........as a volunteer firefighter here in Lauderdale County NO ONE and I mean NO ONE will tell me that I cannot respond to a call for help by anyone. Period.


WRONG. Here's the situation...there's a police/SWAT team stand off at a residence where there is at least one victim and the shooter is still inside the residence despite the fact that the dwelling is on fire. Since the early stages of the confrontation took place outside of the residence, police have delineated a perimeter with crime scene tape to preserve any evidence. That would be the yellow tape that has words on it like "CRIME SCENE---DO NOT CROSS". The professional law enforcement officers are not going to let an amateur fire fighter near that fire. Professional means you are paid for what you do, amateur means you VOLUNTEER your services.


Obviously Pea Sheller you are not a professional anything by the remarks listed above. Myself as a professional volunteer firefighter will absolutely NOT enter a burning building if the scene is unsafe. Unsafe being the threat of violence. I'm going to work hand in hand with the local law enforcement personnel before I enter the building. Why? What good am I if the "shooter" takes me out. Give me a break. You really made yourself look stupid with your comment.
I love the way you highlight VOLUNTEER and use terms such as "Amateur". If you intended to take a cheap shot at the volunteer fire service....go right ahead. Just remember that 73% of the firefighters in the United States are volunteer. We are all professional. We attend the same training. The difference is "volunteer" and "career". We are brothers to each other and see no difference. The City of Florence Professional Firefighters are very good to help us in the time of need. On the flip side, the Professional Volunteer Firefighters help the City of Florence Professional Firefighters at numerous times throughout the year. We have and will always work together. So, don't try to throw in the "professional and volunteer" hot stick into this debate.
Oh....and by the way, February the 8th of 2009 I almost lost my life while fighting a house fire. I suffered a broken back, broken leg, broken foot, broken ribs (all of them), broken hip, Broken pelvis, a concussion and a punctured right lung. For the life of me I don't remember the wall the fell on me deciphering if I were a "professional, volunteer, paid, amatuer or career firefighter.
That's ok.......apology accepted Smiler


O my goodness, Please say it ain't so that someone insults men and women who volunteeer to take the necessary training and use their own time to be a firefighter. That is really tacky! Do not stoop lower than a worm's belly to make your point. I totally SA-Lute you, all of you who do this very dangerous, THANKLESS job. I have seen you out in all kinds of weather doing what is necessary to keep the rest of us who are snuggled in our warm beds or clothes, or cooled in our AC homes/cars or dry when it is raining and or snowing doing amazing things to keep our worlds going around and you do it with such a giving, loving spirit.
Keep up your excellent work.
Sassy KimsSassy KimsOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by Tool:
I think B50M, shell diver and sassy kims exhibited just exactly what kind of lowlife individuals they are.
Its called helping your fellow man...lifes not all about the almighty dollar!


This from mysterytooljetlagshaniqWhaa, aka "Tool"....and all he can do is cast insults...

Best you can do? Oh, well. Big Grin
E EastsideHall of Famer
BTW, 4 employees could be the man, his wife, his son and daughter in law or something -- that doesn't necessarily mean he has 4 employees.

I agree that VFD are the best of the best -- hands down. They are just as professional and more passionate than "city firefighters". I would almost bet money that if a VFD had shown up to the scene they would have put the fire out -- fire fee or not.
Sassy KimsSassy KimsOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by martyr:
you roll out the hose, turn the water on and aim it at the house.. you don't pull out a bag of marshmallows


They rolled out the hose and aimed it at the house...at the neighbor's house who paid his fee. No marshmallows involved at either house.

Life is hard. It's harder when you're stupid.
S SHELDIVRPost Master
quote:
Originally posted by leo:
quote:
Originally posted by Eastside:
Exactly Jeepin -- had they just not shown up at all -- I probably wouldn't have been as shocked about this, but to show up to the fire and stand on the man's property and watch it burn down is just a slap in the face to me.


Thats what I'm screamin.


Stop screaming and read the article...they showed up to protect the neighbors home...he was a paid up subscriber. You wouldn't want the negligent neighbors fire to spread to a responsible person's home. It's all about personal responsibility...learn to take care of your responsibilities.
S SHELDIVRPost Master
quote:
Originally posted by MLentz:
quote:
Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
quote:
Originally posted by MLentz:
You all CONTINUE to miss the point. The fire department had a moral obligation to respond when called for help NO MATTER what the circumstances. I tell you what........as a volunteer firefighter here in Lauderdale County NO ONE and I mean NO ONE will tell me that I cannot respond to a call for help by anyone. Period.


WRONG. Here's the situation...there's a police/SWAT team stand off at a residence where there is at least one victim and the shooter is still inside the residence despite the fact that the dwelling is on fire. Since the early stages of the confrontation took place outside of the residence, police have delineated a perimeter with crime scene tape to preserve any evidence. That would be the yellow tape that has words on it like "CRIME SCENE---DO NOT CROSS". The professional law enforcement officers are not going to let an amateur fire fighter near that fire. Professional means you are paid for what you do, amateur means you VOLUNTEER your services.


Obviously Pea Sheller you are not a professional anything by the remarks listed above. Myself as a professional volunteer firefighter will absolutely NOT enter a burning building if the scene is unsafe. Unsafe being the threat of violence. I'm going to work hand in hand with the local law enforcement personnel before I enter the building. Why? What good am I if the "shooter" takes me out. Give me a break. You really made yourself look stupid with your comment.
I love the way you highlight VOLUNTEER and use terms such as "Amateur". If you intended to take a cheap shot at the volunteer fire service....go right ahead. Just remember that 73% of the firefighters in the United States are volunteer. We are all professional. We attend the same training. The difference is "volunteer" and "career". We are brothers to each other and see no difference. The City of Florence Professional Firefighters are very good to help us in the time of need. On the flip side, the Professional Volunteer Firefighters help the City of Florence Professional Firefighters at numerous times throughout the year. We have and will always work together. So, don't try to throw in the "professional and volunteer" hot stick into this debate.
Oh....and by the way, February the 8th of 2009 I almost lost my life while fighting a house fire. I suffered a broken back, broken leg, broken foot, broken ribs (all of them), broken hip, Broken pelvis, a concussion and a punctured right lung. For the life of me I don't remember the wall the fell on me deciphering if I were a "professional, volunteer, paid, amatuer or career firefighter.
That's ok.......apology accepted Smiler


Before you just BURST at the seams with self importance, be aware that PROFESSIONAL means you do this for a living (and I made this distinction earlier), it is NOT a reference to your worth or ability as a fire fighter, nor how long you have performed this service. Amateur, which is exactly what you are, means you perform as an UNPAID VOLUNTEER.

In an earlier post to this thread I made it clear how I support volunteer fire fighters and I continue to generously and willing donate. Your need to resort to calling me stupid simply shows that your contention and purpose for arguing in this topic are lost and "name calling" is your only recourse, having failed to support your over blown position. Like Sassy, I will expect you to respond to every alert that goes out, based on your proclamation of intensity and duty to fight all fires, any time, any where.
ToolToolHall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
quote:
Originally posted by Tool:
I think B50M, shell diver and sassy kims exhibited just exactly what kind of lowlife individuals they are.
Its called helping your fellow man...lifes not all about the almighty dollar!


This from mysterytooljetlagshaniqWhaa, aka "Tool"....and all he can do is cast insults...

Best you can do? Oh, well. Big Grin


Nailed your sorry ass though didn't I? Big Grin Big Grin
ToolToolHall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by tcf531:
so basically, most people heres opinion is that being a cold hearted &^$^&*^ with no compassion for your fellow man is what we should all strive for?


Well if you will notice its only about three people. shell diver, B50M and sassy kims.
They must truly be some sorry individuals to not be willing to help a person in need because a little money is involved.
Sassy KimsSassy KimsOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by Tool:
quote:
Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
quote:
Originally posted by Tool:
I think B50M, shell diver and sassy kims exhibited just exactly what kind of lowlife individuals they are.
Its called helping your fellow man...lifes not all about the almighty dollar!


This from mysterytooljetlagshaniqWhaa, aka "Tool"....and all he can do is cast insults...

Best you can do? Oh, well. Big Grin


Nailed your sorry ass though didn't I? Big Grin Big Grin


No, and you're reported again.

Too bad; your best just ain't worth anything. You're a failure, as usual. Wink
Sassy KimsSassy KimsOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by Tool:
quote:
Originally posted by tcf531:
so basically, most people heres opinion is that being a cold hearted &^$^&*^ with no compassion for your fellow man is what we should all strive for?


Well if you will notice its only about three people. shell diver, B50M and sassy kims.
They must truly be some sorry individuals to not be willing to help a person in need because a little money is involved.


The money is not the issue. Conforming to requirements is the issue. $75.00 is a token amount, and doesn't cover the drive from the firehouse to the scene in a firetruck. It does create a relationship between the homeowner and the City that allows the City's insurance carrier to cover the firefighter's response outside the City coverage area. Try paying a worker's comp claim out of pocket...it's guaranteed to make you refuse to respond outside your coverage area ever again.
Sassy KimsSassy KimsOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by Tool:
Watch the hall monitor kick and scratch in the dirt trying desperately to make this something it isnt. YOU dont believe in helping those in need, short and simple.

Now go run and tell that to mommy. Big Grin


Wrong. As usual. How can you be wrong so many times? Do you practice being wrong? You must Big Grin
ToolToolHall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
quote:
Originally posted by Tool:
Watch the hall monitor kick and scratch in the dirt trying desperately to make this something it isnt. YOU dont believe in helping those in need, short and simple.

Now go run and tell that to mommy. Big Grin


Wrong. As usual. How can you be wrong so many times? Do you practice being wrong? You must Big Grin


Go tell mommy that I am wrong Big Grin

Thats your style isn't it? Big Grin
Sassy KimsSassy KimsOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by Tool:
quote:
Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
quote:
Originally posted by Tool:
Watch the hall monitor kick and scratch in the dirt trying desperately to make this something it isnt. YOU dont believe in helping those in need, short and simple.

Now go run and tell that to mommy. Big Grin


Wrong. As usual. How can you be wrong so many times? Do you practice being wrong? You must Big Grin


Go tell mommy that I am wrong Big Grin

Thats your style isn't it? Big Grin


My style has got you banned more than once. It will again Wink Yep. Conforming to the rules and regulations is my style. Cool

Too bad you don't try it some time. Roll Eyes

And yes, every time you use offensive language or attack another member, I'll be forwarding it in it's entirety to the mods.
Sassy KimsSassy KimsOld Faithful
quote:
Originally posted by Tool:
WAH WAH WAH...Tool hurt my feelings...I have got to run tell on him WAH WAH WAH... Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin


You go big boy!

I can stand on my own , I don't need to run tell someone to take up for me. You should try it sometimes. Maybe then you want feel the need to deny help to those in need.


You forget. As usual. Reporting violations is what I do for a living.

And you're wrong again. As usual. You're not "standing on your own"...you don't own this forum, so you're relying on the grace and permission of the Times Daily to post here. If you want to stand on your own, start your own forum and talk to yourself.

Will you ever learn? I suppose not Roll Eyes

Ain't it cool, tool? Big Grin
B barksdale.jeffEverybody Knows My Name
quote:
The money is not the issue. Conforming to requirements is the issue. $75.00 is a token amount, and doesn't cover the drive from the firehouse to the scene in a firetruck. It does create a relationship between the homeowner and the City that allows the City's insurance carrier to cover the firefighter's response outside the City coverage area. Try paying a worker's comp claim out of pocket...it's guaranteed to make you refuse to respond outside your coverage area ever again.


It seems the money is the issue here or that everyone has made it the issue.

As far as what it takes to cover the the costs of the drive out there no one knows that. I believe that most of the fire fighters in this city are on a volunteer basis and the chief is the only one on the city's pay roll. But as I stated NO ONE knows this because this city is not talking.

And if this city has to look to see if they can afford to come to a fire each time then they need to elect some officials that can balance a budget.

This is pretty obvious that they did not put the fire out for spite. Once they responded to the neighbors house and then left while the other mans house was still burning is pretty evident.

I am like most people on here that I cannot stand free loaders. But once they responded they should have done something. They should lose all State and Federal funding if they are going to make their own rules of what fire they will put out. Because if they are getting Federal dollars we all have some say so.

And they might as well have held up the middle finger as they drove off and yelled the big FU to this man and his family.

Just my opinion on it.

Other than that....I do not think I would go to manta.com to try to determine a mans wealth and if he can pay the 75.00. If you are going to rely on that for FACTS then you are insane.
E EastsideHall of Famer
If money wasn't the issue -- then why didn't they fight the fire? Oh yea, that's right, the mayor wanted to prove a point and make and example out of this man and his property. Thanks for clearing that up. Great leadership -- right off a cliff if you aren't careful.....

The job of a fire department is to fight fires to save life and property. Because of trying to prove a point, the mayor and chief caused this failure of completing that task. They should all be taken to task.


Keep in mind people that this is what is coming down the line for us as Americans if we don't carry health insurance. Not only will we have to pay a "fee" to the government, but if we don't have it, they will be able to turn us away and let us die of our own non-conforming attitude even if we forgot or can't afford health insurance -- welcome to the new world....conform or suffer the consequences....

yes, there is a note of sarcasm in that but it is the truth -- when I was a kid (and times weren't always easy) a fire department still wouldn't have shown up to the scene of a fire and stood there doing nothing regardless of whether the fee had been paid or not. If this is what our world is coming too -- we need to check ourselves and our priorities. Money should never be a determining factor and neither should making an example out of someone.
b50mb50mOld Faithful
Latest info:
quote:

Story Updated: Oct 8, 2010 at 12:18 AM CDT

OBION COUNTY, Tenn. - "It was a great plan, but it never took off."

That's what the creator of a comprehensive, countywide fire protection plan said about a resolution that could have prevented the controversy surrounding last week's Obion County fire.

Richard Chestean designed the detailed plan in 1987. It would have given everyone in the county fire protection. County commissioners liked it and voted yes.

And then nothing happened for 23 years.

About two years ago, county leaders voted to scrap the whole thing and start over. The creator of the plan said county leaders ignored because no one could agree on how to fund it.

So, the debate on whether to tax or offer subscription service has gone on for decades, while houses in the county continue to burn to the ground.

Chestean is a humble man but admitted the resolution he created is pretty good.

"We felt really confident we were going to be able to pull this off," he said.

So confident that back in 1987, he and other Obion County commissioners voted yes. They separated the county into districts and even appointed a fire chief but one thing divided the leaders, halting the resolution.

"It just stalled because of the funding," he said.

Obion County Commissioners wouldn't raise taxes to pay for a service that many were getting for free from nearby cities.

"Before, they never had to have a subscription. They came out anyway," said Chestean of the area fire departments.

But now times have changed. After the fire that destroyed Gene Cranick's home, the heat is on.

A new plan is in the works. Dean Jowers, Obion County's fire commission chairperson, will bring it before the commission in a few weeks.

Jowers said it's similar to Chestean's plan, but doesn't raise taxes and is a subscription service.

"No way to enforce that they pay it, if you charge everybody," Jowers said. "So, a number of people will not pay it."

But Chestean is against this newest proposal because of the effect it will have on stations like Hornbeak. They now respond to all fires in the area and didn't ask for a dime. Under countywide subscription service, all of Obion County will be just like South Fulton.

"You may only have 40 percent of people within Hornbeak's five mile radius that signed up," Chestean said. "Those 60 percent of other people, if they call Hornbeak, they're gonna say, 'Sorry, you're not on subscription."

He's afraid under that system, you'll see homes like Gene Cranick's throughout Obion County go up in flames, and firefighters forced to watch them burn.

Chestean said that something is better than nothing. That's because under the current system, those departments that don't charge to go out to the county are not obligated to respond at all.

Some are afraid that with all this bad publicity, the departments will decide to no longer cover the county at all.

If something is put into place, it would guarantee some form of protection to those who are willing to pay.

County leaders will vote on that proposal Oct. 18.
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b50mb50mOld Faithful
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetw...use-burn?ft=1&f=1003

Who is at fault again?
...............................................



Last week, Paulette and Gene Cranick's grandson started a fire in a burn barrel outside the couple's Tennessee home.

He added garbage, then went inside to take a shower. A few minutes later, he noticed an adjacent shed was engulfed in flames. It didn't take long for the fire to spread to the house.
onepatriot7onepatriot7Hall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by MLentz:
As President of the Lauderdale County Association of Volunteer Fire Departments, please allow me to comment on this issue.
First, the fire chief and firefighters should be asked to immediately resign for not responding to a call for help........PERIOD! I don't care if the homeowner didn't pay the fee for the last 10 years. If this home was located in the fire departments service area, they should have responded. PERIOD! What if that same homeowner had called and said, "My wife and children are trapped in the burning house"? Would the South Fulton Volunteer Fire Department STILL not respond? How sad.
I sent an email to the South Fulton Fire Department thanking them for placing a "black eye" on the entire fire service for their actions. There is absolutely NO excuse for them not responding for this homeowners call for help. I can certainly understand that if I fire department is in need of funding, they request a $75 annual fee. However, the fire department should have responded.........no questions asked. Then after the fire was extinguished, then bill the homeowner $500 or $500 per hour for their services.
Here in Lauderdale County each homeowner and business is assessed a $50.00 fire protection fee. This fee is collected through the revenue commissioners office. If folks to not pay their property taxes.....then they don't pay the fire fee. However, this is where the Revenue Commissioners Office will take the necessary actions to collect this tax the fire fee. But you know what? When we as firefighters receive a call for help in our county, we have absolutely no idea if that property owner has paid his fire fee......and the funny thing is we could care less! Our 1st priority is the protection of life and property of our citizens we serve. I belong to the Rogersville Volunteer Fire Department. Their have been times we have been called to assist our neighbors in Limestone County (and vice-versa). Do we "REFUSE" to respond because the citizens of Limestone County do not fund our local fire department in Rogersville? NO! NO! NO! When someone calls for help......we go. NO QUESTIONS ASKED.
One thing that confuses me is when this homeowner called 911 requesting the South Fulton VFD, does the dispatcher have a "PAID LISTING" of all the homeowners in that county to compare their list? Do you mean to tell me the dispatcher probably wasted valuable time in determining if the homeowner was due's paying member? I've read some of the arguments about comparing this "fire service" to garbage service. Give me a break. You can't compare the two. The fire department deals with life safety issues. No comparison. That argument will not hold water.
I'm proud to be a volunteer firefighter in Lauderdale County and I can assure the citizens that ALL VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENTS in our area will respond regardless of the ability to pay, not pay, want to pay, can't pay, etc, etc..

Morris T. Lentz
President
Lauderdale County Association of Volunteer Fire Departments


finally a voice of reason, i commend you!!
ToolToolHall of Famer
quote:
Originally posted by Sassy Kims:
quote:
Originally posted by Tool:
WAH WAH WAH...Tool hurt my feelings...I have got to run tell on him WAH WAH WAH... Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin


You go big boy!

I can stand on my own , I don't need to run tell someone to take up for me. You should try it sometimes. Maybe then you want feel the need to deny help to those in need.


You forget. As usual. Reporting violations is what I do for a living.

And you're wrong again. As usual. You're not "standing on your own"...you don't own this forum, so you're relying on the grace and permission of the Times Daily to post here. If you want to stand on your own, start your own forum and talk to yourself.

Will you ever learn? I suppose not Roll Eyes

Ain't it cool, tool? Big Grin


I post of my own volition dummy. or are you so stupid you cant see I am posting here?

now quick, run tell mommy Big Grin
B beebobear1985Familiar Face
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Originally posted by Sassy Kims:

The money is not the issue. Conforming to requirements is the issue. $75.00 is a token amount, and doesn't cover the drive from the firehouse to the scene in a firetruck. It does create a relationship between the homeowner and the City that allows the City's insurance carrier to cover the firefighter's response outside the City coverage area. Try paying a worker's comp claim out of pocket...it's guaranteed to make you refuse to respond outside your coverage area ever again.


This is something I've wondered, also. If they are on a call outide their jurisdiction, which would include paid subscribers, and something went wrong, what would be the legal ramifications?

If, as in the example above, a fire fighter was hurt, would workman's comp pay? If the truck were to be involved in a wreck, would insurance pay? If other property was damaged in the attempt to put out the fire, could the owner sue?

I've wondered if this figured in to the decision to not respond to non-subscribers calls.

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