quote:Originally posted by gbrk:quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Look at any person. Whatever that person holds as highest priority in his/her life -- is his/her god. For some it is material affluence or wealth -- for others it is power: job, politics, position of authority, etc. -- for others it may be attention, popularity, etc, (we see this often in our Hollywood crowd) -- for some it is science and intellect, i.e, a feeling of superiority -- for some, it is fun, parties, good times, etc. -- and for some it could be personal relationships.
When the rich young ruler asked Jesus Christ what he must do to have eternal life -- Jesus told him to give away all his riches and follow Him. The rich young ruler could nor part with his worldly riches, because this was his god. So he apparently went away lost eternally.
So, Jennifer, what must we be willing to give up to follow Jesus Christ? Everything in THIS world? Yet, the beautiful part of this is that no one has to give up their loved ones and family.
I believe the passage of Scripture, about the Rich young man/ruler is put there for a very specific reason which I will post a reply about further down this thread. I am though curious about one thing Bill. You have been in dialog with others, such as Invictus and others about Salvation by faith alone. Not salvation of works, lest anyone should boast and not a combination of Faith and works.
I'm a little confused however by your response to Jennifer using the Rich young ruler as an example then also telling Jennifer "Everything in this world". While I do agree that scripture indicates that the rich have a more difficult time possibly for several reasons the way you have presented your evaluation or interpretation of the rich young man seems to violate your Salvation by Grace alone doctrine.
So he went away apparently lost eternally because he was unwilling to give away his riches and follow Christ. So are you saying belief in Christ was not enough for this man? So he needed to believe in Christ, recognize Him as savior AND give away his riches? Is this not a work? What you seem to be saying is for salvation to be real then the person must decide to give up potentially something in their life that is not considered as Christian. Maybe it's money, maybe it's being gay or maybe it's a girl working as an exotic dancer. When you began to say you have to clean up first before then you are injecting works into the equation for there is something in and of the unbeliever that they have to do in order to obtain salvation and it's no longer just of faith alone and the grace of God.
Am I wrong here in taking what you are saying as that? Maybe I am the only one that interprets what you are saying as that. Your reply was to Jennifer so maybe she will contribute to that and see how she sees it because maybe I'm wrong seeing it that way because to me it seems you are being inconsistent in your statements regarding salvation, works, and faith alone.
You have missed the whole point of Jesus' story and my post. What Jesus Christ is saying is that a person must be willing to turn from following the world, i.e, turn from worldly things -- do a 180 degree turn -- and FOLLOW HIM.
Basically, He is telling us that believing and following Him must be our highest priority.
So, no, my Friend, this is not "faith plus works" equals salvation. This is, by grace, through faith -- we Follow Him, to the exclusion of all worldly, material things.
If you have done this -- you have His promise of eternal life in Christ. If you have not, you are still following the world.
Simple! Salvation by grace, through faith -- PLUS NOTHING ELSE. However, then, if you want to store up treasures in your Bank of Heaven -- you WILL get to work sharing His Gospel and following His teachings.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,