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I know this doesn't belong on the Religion Forum but I figured if others can do it what the heck. Bill's finding of discrimination in every little act people do prompts me to ask what, in your opinion, is true discrimination?

The girl in the video was "ranting" against asians. Can you do that and it still not be discrimination? I rant against things/people all the time.

One example, if you get a group of teenage girls/boys together they get what I call "goofy" and "silly". The silly talk, the things they do, I rant against. If you can really call it ranting. Mostly it's just the "sheesh kids" expression. Is that discrimination against teens?

How about all the jokes about old people and the things they do? If we sigh and say "old people", is that discrimination?

We have a male friend that is straight, but he loves to cook, decorate, tell me how to dress, to the point we tease him and tell him he should have been gay. Is that discrimination?

So what IS true discrimination?
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Hi Jennifer,

When you read a post, you seem to have trouble getting past your own nose.

The whole point of my post was not the UCLA student's rant -- although I do believe she was wrong and out of line -- regardless of who her rant was against.

THE WHOLE POINT of my post was that there was no need for the reporter to emphasize the fact that the UCLA student is WHITE!

It seemed to me that this shows some degree of conscious or unconscious bias on the part of the reporter -- or an attempt to stir racial tension.

Now, I do not believe it was the latter -- for Fox News is about the only news service which does not show obvious bias.

So, Jennifer, my post had nothing to do with Asians, or UCLA students, or Gays, or silly atheist girls -- ONLY the fact that I believe the reporter should have given more thought to how the article was worded.

Jennifer, I realize that you are going to jump up and down, declaring, "Yeah, but how about. . . " So be it. That is the pitfall often encountered when dealing with youth.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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to me, discrimination is when you take actions based upon the differences of people.

for example... you used talking about old people... like maybe getting stuck behind a great-grandma in a caddy driving 18.7 MPH on florence blvd and we think or we say ' come on granny, get it in gear..."

while it might be a touoch mean spirited, it's not discrimination.. or at least not in my eyes.

if you were at a place with several people, and everyone decided to get in ther cars to all go to another place, and you tried to prevent a grey haird gentlemen form operating his own vehicle because you didn't wanna have to wait on the old slow guy to get there THAT would be an act of discrimination.

if, as a manager, you gave the job to the white guy instead of hte black guy because you thought the white guy was cute and you might like to try and start up something with him later.. that's not discrimination.
if, as a manager, you give the job to the black woman instead of hte while woman because you saw the white woman come in with her black boyfriend and you think that's wrong, THAT is discrimination.

when you take action, or try to influence policy based upon whether or not someone is what you consider to be normal or equal, that's whe ndiscrimination comes into play. when it's only in your head, it's just stupid harmless predujice.
my grand father was very prejudice.. but to the best of my knowledge he never let it affect anything at all. he didn't like black people, but he never said or did anything that would cause acctual discrimination.. he never said ' hey darkie, you cna't use that water fountain'.. but he'd personally never use that same fountain himself again.
(granted, i wasn't around when he was younger, i cna only base this on what i knew of he man as i was growing up, ya know? and for further honesty, i didn't know him all that well, so i might be 100% wrong about all of that. anyway.)

when you avoid watching a particular tv show because there are obviously a lot of homosexuals on it and you don't liek that, that's not discrimination. when you try and get a bill passed that prevents two people who love each other from getting married because your personal beliefs don't allow for it, THAT is discrimination.
if you aren't one of the people getting married, then your opinion of the marriage isn't relevent.

anyway. that's my long winded opinion on the issue.
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when you avoid watching a particular tv show because there are obviously a lot of homosexuals on it and you don't liek that, that's not discrimination. when you try and get a bill passed that prevents two people who love each other from getting married because your personal beliefs don't allow for it, THAT is discrimination.
if you aren't one of the people getting married, then your opinion of the marriage isn't relevent.

You know why I hated Will and Grace? Because of that loud mouth irritating friend of hers. Karen? I couldn't stand the show because of her.
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THE WHOLE POINT of my post was that there was no need for the reporter to emphasize the fact that the UCLA student is WHITE!

Your OWN words bill, you said the headline is what prompted you, and no where in that headline did it mention white.
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The catalyst for this train of thought is the Fox News report titled "UCLA Student Posts Video Rant On Asians" and I have to ask myself, "Was the reporter who wrote this article unconsciously biased?" Many may not notice such things -- but, I do.

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Now, I do not believe it was the latter -- for Fox News is about the only news service which does not show obvious bias.




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Originally posted by Jennifer:
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when you avoid watching a particular tv show because there are obviously a lot of homosexuals on it and you don't liek that, that's not discrimination. when you try and get a bill passed that prevents two people who love each other from getting married because your personal beliefs don't allow for it, THAT is discrimination.
if you aren't one of the people getting married, then your opinion of the marriage isn't relevent.

You know why I hated Will and Grace? Because of that loud mouth irritating friend of hers. Karen? I couldn't stand the show because of her.


LOL, she was my favorite character. Will was the homo who would pass, Jack was flaming.

The whole thing was hilarious.
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
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when you avoid watching a particular tv show because there are obviously a lot of homosexuals on it and you don't liek that, that's not discrimination. when you try and get a bill passed that prevents two people who love each other from getting married because your personal beliefs don't allow for it, THAT is discrimination.
if you aren't one of the people getting married, then your opinion of the marriage isn't relevent.

You know why I hated Will and Grace? Because of that loud mouth irritating friend of hers. Karen? I couldn't stand the show because of her.


oh i loved karen..
jack got on my nerves, tho. i mean, i don't care if someone is gay or not, but good lord.
i thought the episodes with gregory hines were amazing.
tho, that's because gregory hines is amazing Smiler
well.. was..
/sigh.
I LOOOOVVVVEEEE when folks say that thinking marriage should be between a man and a woman(FREAKIN DUH RIGHT!?? LMAO) is discrimination. But then they say they are fans of WILL AND FREAKIN GRACE???!!!??? ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!! LMAO!!!

If I were to acted like the "Jack" character, folks like you would say that I was "stereotyping gays" or being a bigot. But this cat gets PAID to portray every absurd stereotype of homosexual men and libs fall all over themselves in admiration for this show. Goodness gracious... you just can't make this stuff up I tell ya!! LOL

The real issue with "discrimination" is that this society is SOFT! We get our lil feelings hurt so easy that we have to watch every little word we say to make sure we don't offend this sexual orientation, or this race, or this culture(unless it's white folks or southerners of course...make fun of them all you want. lol). It's absurd to talk about this junk in 2011. Stereotypes are funny because they are based in truth. That goes for us rednecks in the south, yankees in the north, hippies out west, thugs in the inner cities, and the flamers in San Francisco. Our problem as a society has very little to do with true dicrimination, it has to do with the collective "thin skin" of our watered down, pathetically weakened society.
Thinking marriage between men and women only may not be discrimination, but working to make it the only acceptable marriage IS discrimination. What does that have to do with Will and Grace? There are gay men that act like "Jack". I don't see your point. I do agree that every little thought today can get a person accused of discrimination, thus this thread asking what IYO is true discrimination. And peter, rednecks are all over the country, same as "flamers" as you put it.
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Thinking marriage between men and women only may not be discrimination, but working to make it the only acceptable marriage IS discrimination. What does that have to do with Will and Grace? There are gay men that act like "Jack". I don't see your point. I do agree that every little thought today can get a person accused of discrimination, thus this thread asking what IYO is true discrimination. And peter, rednecks are all over the country, same as "flamers" as you put it.


I know that Jenn... I was talking about stereotypes though. Regionalized stereotypes to be more specific.

and my point about the Jack character is what I typed. If I tell folks I believe marriage should only be between a man and a woman, then I jokingly act exactly like that character, I would be called a bigot. But libs fall all over that character when it is just an actor making fun of every homosexual stereotype. Simple lib hypocrisy.

The whole "working to make it the only acceptable marriage" thing is a joke to me. The fact that we can't figure out quite easily that MAN GOES WITH WOMAN would be hilarious if it weren't so sad that we as a society show such stupidity it takes to even debate the issue. It is not discrimination to believe that or to vote that it stays that way. To me it's as simple as having common sense and simple understanding of anatomy.
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Well apparently "man goes with woman" only isn't the way it is or we wouldn't have homosexuals. AND anatomy must be cooperating or again, there'd be no homosexuals. And I do know what a pack of hypocrites the democrites are.


That post did nothing to prove against my point Jenn. Just becuase folks enter into homosexual relations doesn't mean it's the correct way. Definately not anatomically...silly to say that! Goes back to the point I always make.. to say someone is born to have sex with someone of the same sex when it is obviously not the right..."fit"... means folks could be born to have sex with animals. If it's ok to have homosexual urges then it's ok to have zoophillia urges. I just don't understand how the blanket gets put on that ONE urge. Not even the action, just the urge. Anyone with a brain KNOWS that it's OBVIOUS that man goes with woman...OBVIOUS... foolish to even argue against that point. But the "born that way" blanket fits that bass ackwards way of thinking, but all the other "born that way" arguements get tossed out the window. Once again...hypocrisy at it's finest.
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That post did nothing to prove against my point Jenn.

You spend a lot of time obsessing on sex with animals. And peter, people ARE born homosexual. Not sure what your point was so how do you figure I'm trying to disprove it? We were posting about discrimination. BTW, that sex with animals thing you love to discuss-I'd be willing to bet that "straight" men and women indulge in that.
I would say that discrimination as most people view it is when you deny someone a good, service or right based on a specific criteria. When that criteria is race gender age then we think of it as bad. But we all discriminate to some degree. If I am hiring someone I probably won't hire the person with visible tattoos, piercings or reeking of cigarette smoke. I might choose the more attractive applicant. I am discriminating against certain individuals maybe even groups of people. Is this wrong?
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I LOOOOVVVVEEEE when folks say that thinking marriage should be between a man and a woman(FREAKIN DUH RIGHT!?? LMAO) is discrimination. But then they say they are fans of WILL AND FREAKIN GRACE???!!!??? ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!! LMAO!!!


meh.. people can think what they like. thinking is harmless.
it's when they put the thoughts into actions that we end up with discrimination.
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I would say that discrimination as most people view it is when you deny someone a good, service or right based on a specific criteria. When that criteria is race gender age then we think of it as bad. But we all discriminate to some degree. If I am hiring someone I probably won't hire the person with visible tattoos, piercings or reeking of cigarette smoke. I might choose the more attractive applicant. I am discriminating against certain individuals maybe even groups of people. Is this wrong?


it depends.
would the choice be made for your own personal preferences? or would you take into account that maybe your type of business would not be best served by someone covered in tats or steel bolts through their eyebrows?

for example.. as a customer... i wouldnt' care if my waiter had tattoos.... but i might have second thoughts about a loan officer with rods and hoops all over his face...
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That post did nothing to prove against my point Jenn.

You spend a lot of time obsessing on sex with animals. And peter, people ARE born homosexual. Not sure what your point was so how do you figure I'm trying to disprove it? We were posting about discrimination. BTW, that sex with animals thing you love to discuss-I'd be willing to bet that "straight" men and women indulge in that.


Must be a North Alabama thing.
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That post did nothing to prove against my point Jenn.

You spend a lot of time obsessing on sex with animals. And peter, people ARE born homosexual. Not sure what your point was so how do you figure I'm trying to disprove it? We were posting about discrimination. BTW, that sex with animals thing you love to discuss-I'd be willing to bet that "straight" men and women indulge in that.


Must be a North Alabama thing.
So you're in North Alabama?
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That post did nothing to prove against my point Jenn.

You spend a lot of time obsessing on sex with animals. And peter, people ARE born homosexual. Not sure what your point was so how do you figure I'm trying to disprove it? We were posting about discrimination. BTW, that sex with animals thing you love to discuss-I'd be willing to bet that "straight" men and women indulge in that.


Must be a North Alabama thing.
So you're in North Alabama?


Heavens No! I'm not a trailer park dweller.
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Heavens No! I'm not a trailer park dweller.

I don't live in a trailer either. Can't imagine what that has to do with North Alabama. And I also can't imagine where you could live that they don't have trailer parks, or that you're so out of touch you don't know how people live in other areas of the country. Are you one of those that lives in a tiny 500 square foot apartment, no yard, and surrounded by hundreds of other people in tiny apartments? I always wondered how people thought that was better than a trailer.
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Heavens No! I'm not a trailer park dweller.


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Originally posted by Jennifer:
I don't live in a trailer either. Can't imagine what that has to do with North Alabama. And I also can't imagine where you could live that they don't have trailer parks, or that you're so out of touch you don't know how people live in other areas of the country. Are you one of those that lives in a tiny 500 square foot apartment, no yard, and surrounded by hundreds of other people in tiny apartments? I always wondered how people thought that was better than a trailer.


Jen, Dopie is a troll. Don't waste your time replying to him/her.

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