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News media and trust just don't belong in the same sentence. News media and ratings yep now that's what it's about. Roll Eyes
But joking aside, I think you get about same news from all the Huntsville stations. It's just reported by different people with different styles. Oh,I do enjoy PBS and by that I mean Nashville public television. Much better than Alabama's IMO.
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I mean Nashville public television. Much better than Alabama's IMO.


I agree,What do you feel the people need to do to get the media back?


Our Media, as we know is, is just on a "feeding frenzy"... they feed on anyone at any time, and it makes me wonder how they can even get on the air with a straight face.

Wonder if the News Media had left Princess Diana alone, would she still be with us?

But as far as TRUSTING any of them, I dont, not totally, but the least of all, the most biased of all is FOX,.... now FOX NEWS is one that I cannot believe is still on the air... they tell "JUST ENOUGH" of the truth to be able to come on television and say it.

I like reading Reuters most of all...
All media is slanted and they all sell what you want to read. Namely anything that involves the rape and or murder of attractive white women, child molestation involving attractive white women, or celebrity news involving attractive white women. This is what gets your attention (I'm talking to America here) because we are all just one missing DNA strand away from Jerry Springer tickets.
Check this site out! Have you heard of MOCKING BIRD?


MOCKINGBIRD
The Subversion Of The Free Press By The CIA
"You could get a journalist cheaper than a good call girl, for a couple hundred dollars a month." - CIA operative discussing with Philip Graham, editor Washington Post, on the availability and prices of journalists willing to peddle CIA propaganda and cover stories. "Katherine The Great," by Deborah Davis (New York: Sheridan Square Press, 1991)

As terrible as it is to live in a nation where the press in known to be controlled by the government, at least one has the advantage of knowing the bias is present, and to adjust for it. In the United States of America, we are taught from birth that our press is free from such government meddling. This is an insideous lie about the very nature of the news institution in this country. One that allows the government to lie to us while denying the very fact of the lie itself.



The Alex Constantine Article
Tales from the Crypt

The Depraved Spies and Moguls

of the CIA's Operation MOCKINGBIRD

by Alex Constantine

Who Controls the Media?

Soulless corporations do, of course. Corporations with grinning,
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and flying capital. Dow. General Electric. Coca-Cola. Disney.
Newspapers should have mastheads that mirror the world: The
Westinghouse Evening Scimitar, The Atlantic-Richfield Intelligentser .
It is beginning to dawn on a growing number of armchair ombudsmen that
the public print reports news from a parallel universe - one that has
never heard of politically-motivated assassinations, CIA-Mafia banking
thefts, mind control, death squads or even federal agencies with
secret budgets fattened by cocaine sales - a place overrun by lone
gunmen, where the CIA and Mafia are usually on their best behavior. In
this idyllic land, the most serious infraction an official can commit
__is a the employment of a domestic servant with (shudder) no
residency status.




http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MOCK/mockingbird.html
Thanks for the website PBA, once again, as I did in an earlier post, will give you my admiration for your intelligence. Local news is just that local and usually VERY narrowly reported or sensationalized as with WAFF. I take most of my news from PBS. It is publicly funded, not beholding to corporations and usually thoughtfully produced and reported. I especially like the News Hour each evening and am sad to see that Tim Lennox will only be reporting on Alabama once a week (Friday) THE DOG
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What news media do you trust? Do you watch them all to get all views of the news? What TV & radio stations in Huntsville do you trust with the news? do you trust Fox,cnn,msnbc,abc,cbs,nbc? do you watch and trust PBS?


What pickpocket do you trust PBA? I trust the one I can see, the one I know is about to try for my pocket book. Same with media, I trust the ones I can double check. Actually I don't trust any of them enough to NOT confirm what they say in one way or another.
I like newspapers because I get to read them on my schedule. NETWORK NEWS is a different cat, they all come out at the same time, and they don't have a written record on my dining room table to refer back to.
So, who do I believe? I believe the ones I can confirm. If it is unconfirmed, WELL, I either decide to dismiss it as trivial, or KEEP trying to confirm or reject it. By the way, so do the competitors of the people who break the story. That's why the NY Times fired an editor and reporter over the Jessica Lynch story. So, that Paper has MY TRUST. As long as I can confirm what they say.
I don't have cable (by choice), and I rely on the AP and Reuters for my news mainly. I enjoy reading the BBC's reportings also, mainly because they report without the bias that seems to infect all of American media in this day and age.

Entertainment news is a different story. I love looking at the latest topics in Digg's news section. Digg is just a great website.
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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
Our Media, as we know is, is just on a "feeding frenzy"... they feed on anyone at any time, and it makes me wonder how they can even get on the air with a straight face.

Wonder if the News Media had left Princess Diana alone, would she still be with us?

But as far as TRUSTING any of them, I dont, not totally, but the least of all, the most biased of all is FOX,.... now FOX NEWS is one that I cannot believe is still on the air... they tell "JUST ENOUGH" of the truth to be able to come on television and say it.

I like reading Reuters most of all...

Kindred,

Paparazzi is NOT news media. PBS is News media.

When the question of trust was raised, I didn't thing of Access Hollywood...them I trust completely. Virtually nothing they have to say touches my life.
I need to be able to trust a report that says Iraq has WMD and is planning to deliver some of them to Al Qaeda. And if the US government says it's so, I WANT SOMEONE TO FIND OUT FOR SURE, before we SHOCK AND AWE 655 thousand people to DEATH.
Maddog, you're very welcome I see you're a truth seeker like me.you might want to check this site out Democracy Now http://www.democracynow.org/ you will not get it on PBS or Cable, you can on your computer or satelite tv. I left comcast for satelite tv just to get Democracy now because it shows what is really going on in Iraq and other news as well.If you have any pull with Senator Bobby Denton or Roger Bedford, you might write them a letter as to why Democracy Now is not aired on PBS. They will give you the run around and tell you to call PBS but that's not going to do you any good. Alabama PBS leans more to the conservative right than moderate. One final note, most people don't know this, but the southern democratic party does not associate itself with the national democratic party. If you will check back on history, you will see that I am right. The democrats that controlled in the sixties and seventies have control now as Republicans and if you need me to explain further, I will, but I think you know where I am coming from. For example, Bud Cramer, he's a southern democrat but votes with the republicans. Blue Dog democrat equals Republican Lite.
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Originally posted by PBA54:
What news media do you trust? Do you watch them all to get all views of the news? What TV & radio stations in Huntsville do you trust with the news? do you trust Fox,cnn,msnbc,abc,cbs,nbc? do you watch and trust PBS?


What pickpocket do you trust PBA? I trust the one I can see, the one I know is about to try for my pocket book. Same with media, I trust the ones I can double check. Actually I don't trust any of them enough to NOT confirm what they say in one way or another.
I like newspapers because I get to read them on my schedule. NETWORK NEWS is a different cat, they all come out at the same time, and they don't have a written record on my dining room table to refer back to.
So, who do I believe? I believe the ones I can confirm. If it is unconfirmed, WELL, I either decide to dismiss it as trivial, or KEEP trying to confirm or reject it. By the way, so do the competitors of the people who break the story. That's why the NY Times fired an editor and reporter over the Jessica Lynch story. So, that Paper has MY TRUST. As long as I can confirm what they say.


You made some very good points here, and I'am glad to hear you say you read more and this is good. Remember the talk shows give us their spin and you and I can do the same thing.Message boards like this one is good because we can share,agree,or disagree or debate and this is all good. we all need to question the media and when they see that we are catching on that might just start telling the truth for awhile.
CNN is pretty biased, I can't watch it. Liberals like to say Fox is biased, but from what I've seen their newscast is pretty balanced. They just run a lot of conservative talk shows, most of which I can't stand. A good example is Sean Hannity, he's brain washed. The Republicans could drop a nuke on a nursery school and he would say it was the right thing. I usually get my news from the local news paper and AP.
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CNN is pretty biased, I can't watch it. Liberals like to say Fox is biased, but from what I've seen their newscast is pretty balanced. They just run a lot of conservative talk shows, most of which I can't stand. A good example is Sean Hannity, he's brain washed. The Republicans could drop a nuke on a nursery school and he would say it was the right thing. I usually get my news from the local news paper and AP.


Fox,Cnn,MSNBC are all cable network news and have you ever wonder as to why they get away with so much? because they are cable,we the people subscribe to it. the on the air stations which the fcc has more control over as to what they do than cable.
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Originally posted by NashBama:
CNN is pretty biased, I can't watch it. Liberals like to say Fox is biased, but from what I've seen their newscast is pretty balanced. They just run a lot of conservative talk shows, most of which I can't stand. A good example is Sean Hannity, he's brain washed. The Republicans could drop a nuke on a nursery school and he would say it was the right thing. I usually get my news from the local news paper and AP.


Pot, meet kettle!!! Roll Eyes
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Fox,Cnn,MSNBC are all cable network news and have you ever wonder as to why they get away with so much? because they are cable,we the people subscribe to it. the on the air stations which the fcc has more control over as to what they do than cable.


The FCC does not regulate personal bias in news regardless of cable or network.
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I mean Nashville public television. Much better than Alabama's IMO.


I agree,What do you feel the people need to do to get the media back?
After all I've read on this thread that question is still unanswered.Denton and Bedford I wouldn't trust any further than I could throw them. One could say "vote em all out' but we know that will never happen.So still the answer is unanswered.As Fox Mulder used to say "trust no one"
National Public Radio. They cover national stories more in depth than any other outlet I've seen (or heard). With most television and radio news, you get headlines and soundbites. I like the interviews and coverage I get from NPR. Also, PBS is pretty great. Too bad most Americans don't have the attention span to pay attention to anything without tickers and 5674 blinking headlines or yelling anchors/hosts.

I also watch the Nightly News with Brian Williams. I see a lot of bias in any network, but that's the program I can stand the most of.
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Fox,Cnn,MSNBC are all cable network news and have you ever wonder as to why they get away with so much? because they are cable,we the people subscribe to it. the on the air stations which the fcc has more control over as to what they do than cable.


The FCC does not regulate personal bias in news regardless of cable or network.


I did not say the fcc regulates bias,I said the fcc controls on the air tv and radio more than cable networks.
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Originally posted by NashBama:
CNN is pretty biased, I can't watch it. Liberals like to say Fox is biased, but from what I've seen their newscast is pretty balanced. They just run a lot of conservative talk shows, most of which I can't stand. A good example is Sean Hannity, he's brain washed. The Republicans could drop a nuke on a nursery school and he would say it was the right thing. I usually get my news from the local news paper and AP.


Pot, meet kettle!!! Roll Eyes


CNN is pretty biased as well as Fox and the rest of the news! Fox is right in there with Cnn but CNN has better ratings for the right not to watch.
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I did not say the fcc regulates bias,I said the fcc controls on the air tv and radio more than cable networks.


Not true, although it's still unclear what jurisdiction the FCC has over cable. Broadcast is considered a public resource, the FCC was set up to protect that and make sure broadcasters were performing in the public's best interest. Cable is a private business and not using public airwaves, so I'm not sure how the FCC get's involved. When South Park had their famous episode where they said the "s" word over a hundred times, the FCC hit them with a $1000 per use fine. They regulate broadcast and cable in pretty much the same fashion.

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CNN is pretty biased as well as Fox and the rest of the news! Fox is right in there with Cnn but CNN has better ratings for the right not to watch.


No, Fox has better ratings and has been beating it's competitors for a while now. Lately they've been losing some ground and CNN catching up, but FNC is still pulling better numbers.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/default.asp
PBA, Max (I think that is all that addressed this) I have Dish Network, like you refused the price gouging of Comonopoly about a year ago, but I don't receive Nashville PBS? I get Alabama I guess on the local side, do you have Dish or Direct TV? I am calling my satelite provider to see what I am missing but thought I would seek advise first. Thanks, THE DOG
As best as I can figure out, from what I saw, was the media shifted to the right when Reagan got elected. They slowing began purging the liberals, claiming a shift in America to the right. There was no real shift, it was manufactured, but they then stacked the airwaves, morning, noon and night, with right wing wackos. I can remember at one point when you would turn on the radio and it would be G. Gordon Liddy followed by Oliver North and so forth. Twenty four hours of the right wing.

Did you see how they did away with free form radio and I remember when the top 40 station in NYC, WABC, went to all talk.

That means that kids growing up in the 80's and 90's had nothing else to listen to and watch but the Right Wing Media, and it was labled "Liberal Media," but it wasn't and still isn't liberal. Of course they have a few token liberals scattered here and there so it's not so obvious but plenty of right wing and wishy washy centerists that are called liberals. These centerists are always weak, indecisive and usually have little facts and say things like "But it's wrong." We are also saturated with cop programs and movies that always show the cops to be right and usually have to "break the law " to catch the bad guy. They are usually victims of Liberal courts. It's to condition society for the police state.

I followed the alternative press since the 70's and began reading the Nation and the Progressive in the 80's so I always got the truth. I saw how the corporate media was lying then but it still had some good investigative and independent minded journalists that exposed good stories and the whole media took the credit.
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Fox news? Faux is more like it. Fox is NOT news, it is the propoganda wing of the Republican party.
I get news from CNN , and at night I watch John Stewart. Enjoy Stewart most.




As best as I can figure out, from what I saw, was the media shifted to the right when Reagan got elected. They slowing began purging the liberals, claiming a shift in America to the right. There was no real shift, it was manufactured, but they then stacked the airwaves, morning, noon and night, with right wing wackos. I can remember at one point when you would turn on the radio and it would be G. Gordon Liddy followed by Oliver North and so forth. Twenty four hours of the right wing.

Did you see how they did away with free form radio and I remember when the top 40 station in NYC, WABC, went to all talk.

That means that kids growing up in the 80's and 90's had nothing else to listen to and watch but the Right Wing Media, and it was labled "Liberal Media," but it wasn't and still isn't liberal. Of course they have a few token liberals scattered here and there so it's not so obvious but plenty of right wing and wishy washy centerists that are called liberals. These centerists are always weak, indecisive and usually have little facts and say things like "But it's wrong." We are also saturated with cop programs and movies that always show the cops to be right and usually have to "break the law " to catch the bad guy. They are usually victims of Liberal courts. It's to condition society for the police state.

I followed the alternative press since the 70's and began reading the Nation and the Progressive in the 80's so I always got the truth. I saw how the corporate media was lying then but it still had some good investigative and independent minded journalists that exposed good stories and the whole media took the credit.

Once again we are allowing "conventional wisdom" or the corporate media to set the Frame and when you try to work within it you will come up empty.

There are "pendulm swings" throughout history but the Keynesian view was not the failure it was declared to be in the corporate media. Although it could have served the poor better it did certainly serve the middle class and wealthy who enjoyed a good standard of living after WW2. The best in history I believe, one one of the best.

The real failure or break down was the laissez- faire that led to Robber Barons, monopoly's, obscene loppsided wealth gaps and finally a total collapse and the Great Depression. (see any similarities with today?)

If you look at the numbers of the Carter Presidency, which was declared to be a failure, and the Reagan Presidency, declared to be a success, they were about the same. But Reagan ran up a record debt for the time, over saw high unemployment, the robbing and collapse of the S&L Banks, a Stock Market Crash in 87 or 88, (I forget) and the eroding and loss of the back bone of America, our family farmers and our manufacturing base to agribusiness, "outsourcing" and corporate globalization.

Carter's Presidency was basically stable until the "manufactured" oil shortages of 79 (I think it was) destabilized the economy. Carter was bringing peace to the Middle East and devloping alternative energy programs and giving tax breaks and incentives to companies to develop alternative energy sources and people to use alternative energy sources. He even put solar panels in the White House.

The oil corporations, along with the Military Industrial Complex and our corrupt puppets, like the Saudi's, saw the threat to their wealth and power and conspired to create a phony shortage. A willing corporate media went along and fanned the flames of propaganda. Carter wasn't perfect but this was a manufactured crises. Also, it wasn't the first time we had experienced a recession, the Ford recession was just as bad, but the corporate media, along with the right wing, made a full court press declaring the end of liberal type politics and made Reagan, the former right wing wacko governor of California, look like a "new comer" and outsider" shinny knight riding in to the rescue with all these "new ideas." Of course it was just the same old let the rich rob the people wrapped up in glowing double talk and spin.

Reagan was the first to introduce "Globalization" and even began giving manufacturing companies tax breaks to relocate in Central America. That's why we had a war down there. To destroy any unions and social movements that might demand fair wages and oppose sweatshops. The corporate media labeled them a communist threat.

Reagan also declared war on unions when he broke the Air Traffic Controllers strike which the media made him look like a great strong leader standing up to "special interests." His policies help bring about the stagnation and decline of wages for working people, which was basically a war on working people. Of course the corporate media praised all the Wall Street Traders and Brokers with headlines and front page pictures, as they do today, and blamed working peoples problems on wanting "too much money and benefits." Instead of saying everybody's' standard of living should be raised to union levels it declares that unions need to give back and lowered to be in line with the rest of us. it's called a "Race to the Bottom."

American history is filled with recessions where the American people paid the price of the Market "simply taking it's course." It's like being sick and not taking medicine but simply allow it to "run it's course." The wealthy never pay the price and always get the medicine.

Lincoln also believed it was the governments role to help pave the way for economic stability and success and the need of the labor force to produce.

I believe it is the governments responsibility to serve all it's citizens and to see that a fair economic system is in place that serves all it's citizens. And that all have a decent standard of living.

The 80's generation were tricked by Wall Street Hustlers, the corporate media, and the government. They bought the supply side nonsense and they also bought into the market hoping to cash in but we saw the Market Crash in 87 and again at the end of Clinton's term, and we saw what companies like ENRON and others did. Swindled them big time. Some people did OK or made money if they really knew what they were doing but many did not and lost.

As I understand it the big market boom of the 90's, when everyone thought they were making so much money, was phony and basically all on paper. It finally caught up with them in 99 and 2000 but then people turned to the housing boom and again the market was manipulated and driven up. The Housing Market is now crashing and people over paid for their homes and are in jeopardy of losing them. Our jobs continue to be sent over seas and wages remain stagnate. People are deep in debt and can't even go Bankrupt, so they are stuck in Debt Slavery.

The New thing now is "Privatization" were they tell us business can run our resources better, give us better Service and save money by paying people less. And to top it off they are being sold to foreign corporations.
Sure, that sounds logical. And where's all that anti immigration talk we hear from Dobbs, Buchanan and others about that?
Just think of the friendly service we see at our local grocery and other retail stores and such where people are over worked and under paid. And if you have a complaint you can call our menu and talk to a computer or a representative in India.
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Hey PBA
I see you have a pretty good grasp of history.
Would like to suggest a book you may enjoy- "Take It Back" by Carvell and Begaula. They have an entire chapter about how the right wing worked for years to build it's own right-biased news media, while scamming the American people into believing that all news (except theirs) was liberal biased. In fact they news media got parinoid about their whining and actually tended to become right-biased. Book should be in the library.
Harry Truman said it best "I don't give 'em hell, I just tell the truth and the Republicans think it's hell".
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You're a fan of Pelosi and you're calling me brainwashed? Pot meet kettle indeed.


Nancy P. is who this country has needed for quite a while! Who else has challenged Bush? If he's right, then the challenge will prove it. If he's not, wouldn't we all want to know?

Oh, yeah . . . AP, APR (NPR by default), and CNN (or CBN as it's called on 24). Fox is unbelievable. I'm not so blind as to think that CNN isn't a bit biased at times, but Fox, whew, they're over the top. The only time you see world news on Fox is when people are crying or killing. CNN at least acknowledges that we are a part of a world community.
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Nancy P. is who this country has needed for quite a while!


The country needs partial birth abortions, elimination of tax cuts, suppression of religion, and a reduced military? That's just a few of the things Pelosi stand for. She has a 100 rating from NARAL (abortion rights group). So if you think this country needs more abortions, criminals, government spending, and a weak military, I guess you got what you wanted with Pelosi.
Of your list, abortion is the only thing I wish was illegal, but it's an incredibly shallow issue since no one who has been elected based on a Pro-Life standpoint has ever done anything. It's time to reevaluate the political costs of feeling good just because the incumbent is against abortion.

Also, what you call religious suppression is a fun little spin on making sure that all religions are given a chance to thrive. Obviously that type of atmosphere has worked well for Christians since they've integrated their belief system into the capitalistic dream. Florence has a number of church buildings that out-perform some of the Civic buildings. These temples and synagogues on every corner have enjoyed the freedom as should all religions.

Yes, Pelosi is WONDERFUL for this country.
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PBA, Max (I think that is all that addressed this) I have Dish Network, like you refused the price gouging of Comonopoly about a year ago, but I don't receive Nashville PBS? I get Alabama I guess on the local side, do you have Dish or Direct TV? I am calling my satelite provider to see what I am missing but thought I would seek advise first. Thanks, THE DOG

Mad dog, my cable comes from charter in south Tn. so I get PBS from Nashville. I love the show Tn. Outdoors and they do a good job of spotlighting the Nashville music,old and young. The specials put on at the old Ryman are just that , special. Also a lot of old film and blugrass. A few months they had a special on Sargent York. Really good stuff did you know when he was drafted he at first wanted to find a way not to go? Good stuff
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Of your list, abortion is the only thing I wish was illegal, but it's an incredibly shallow issue since no one who has been elected based on a Pro-Life standpoint has ever done anything. It's time to reevaluate the political costs of feeling good just because the incumbent is against abortion.

Also, what you call religious suppression is a fun little spin on making sure that all religions are given a chance to thrive. Obviously that type of atmosphere has worked well for Christians since they've integrated their belief system into the capitalistic dream. Florence has a number of church buildings that out-perform some of the Civic buildings. These temples and synagogues on every corner have enjoyed the freedom as should all religions.

Yes, Pelosi is WONDERFUL for this country.


I agree with a lot that you say. Abortion I would be against, gay issues. I don't think gays should even have rights because it's against God's laws. With so many different religions out there, and here in America we have many churches that have split, from the branches of the Baptists, Church of Christ, etc.. Here's one for you that you might want to check into and I never have understood it. The Church of Christ does not agree with the Baptist or any other church. Their doctrine is strictly from the Bible. But they never speak up against the Pat Robertson's or the Jerry Farwell's, the very people they do not believe in. As far as Pelosi, I think she's just another corporate democrat. This democrat party is not going to be a threat to Bush, with the exception of maybe a few. But not enough that any conservatives should be concerned about.
No one is a threat to Bush since he's on his way out, but a democratic majority sure does help out.

As for the COCs, you don't hear any kind of political stance in a public forum because each church is autonomous. Individually I'm sure we would hear as much as anyone, but there isn't a spokesperson or a physical headquarters. From what I can see, the COCs are in a bit of a quandary because the majority tend to lean toward the PRs and JFs politically, but it's difficult for many of them to say so publicly because of their history with an anti-"denominational" stance. In their defense, however, it's a statistical certainty that the constituency is as politically diverse as any other sect of Christianity.
And just so no one mixes my words with PBA's, I firmly believe that neither God's laws nor govermental laws should consult each other. Every breathing human has rights. The homosexual community would be far better served if Christians would find ways of befriending and loving them instead of hating them and pushing them far, far away from the love we find in Jesus' teachings.

No offense intended, PBA. This post is solely for clarity's sake.
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In their defense, however, it's a statistical certainty that the constituency is as politically diverse as any other sect of Christianity.

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*NOTHING* is a "statistical certainty" in stats. Nothing. Sorry, I'm not on topic here - nor am I disagreeing with a good post - just needed to point that out. Thanks. Smiler
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The homosexual community would be far better served if Christians would find ways of befriending and loving them instead of hating them and pushing them far, far away from the love we find in Jesus' teachings.


Christians don't hate the homosexual, they hate the sin. As for Pelosi being good for the country, read her voting record for yourself.

http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20061102-090358-9812r.htm

Anyone who is that far left or that far right is not good for the country.

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