What news media do you trust?

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The homosexual community would be far better served if Christians would find ways of befriending and loving them instead of hating them and pushing them far, far away from the love we find in Jesus' teachings.

Christians don't hate the homosexual, they hate the sin. As for Pelosi being good for the country, read her voting record for yourself.

http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20061102-090358-9812r.htm

Anyone who is that far left or that far right is not good for the country.

It looks pretty good to me.

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In their defense, however, it's a statistical certainty that the constituency is as politically diverse as any other sect of Christianity.

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*NOTHING* is a "statistical certainty" in stats. Nothing. Sorry, I'm not on topic here - nor am I disagreeing with a good post - just needed to point that out. Thanks.

No you didn't, friend. You wanted to look smart. I understand your premise, but my point stands.

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In their defense, however, it's a statistical certainty that the constituency is as politically diverse as any other sect of Christianity.

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*NOTHING* is a "statistical certainty" in stats. Nothing. Sorry, I'm not on topic here - nor am I disagreeing with a good post - just needed to point that out. Thanks.

No you didn't, friend. You wanted to look smart. I understand your premise, but my point stands.

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Nope, too many '****' statistical lies out there to let such comments fly without pointing them out. Whether I'm smart or not doesn't factor in to the equation. But I do want to address any opinion that I may find wrongly suggestive of fact. Just as you do. Be well.

Thank you, then, for not letting it "fly." I feel safer in the forum already!

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And just so no one mixes my words with PBA's, I firmly believe that neither God's laws nor govermental laws should consult each other. Every breathing human has rights. The homosexual community would be far better served if Christians would find ways of befriending and loving them instead of hating them and pushing them far, far away from the love we find in Jesus' teachings.

No offense intended, PBA. This post is solely for clarity's sake.

I agree with that, I think we spread more hate in america I mean we are divded as red and blue with the media's help.

"He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it" - Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. (1929-1968), US civil rights leader

I wonder why you do not hear this message in the church anymore and why don't the church stand up for world peace? read below:

Our world is wracked with violence and war. But Jesus said: "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God" (Matt. 5:9). Innocent people, at home and abroad, are increasingly threatened by terrorist attacks. But Jesus said: "Love your enemies, pray for those who persecute you" (Matt. 5:44). These words, which have never been easy, seem all the more difficult today.

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It looks pretty good to me.

Well, let's let everyone else see her great record.

"Until she received a 95 percent liberal rating in 2005 from the Americans for Democratic Action (the nation's pre-eminent liberal organization), Mrs. Pelosi had racked up five consecutive years (2000-04) of 100 percent ratings."

"Over the years, Mrs. Pelosi has consistently voted against welfare reform, including the 1996 bill signed by President Clinton and its re-authorization." - So you think people abusing welfare is a good thing?

"She has voted against education IRAs." - You're against people investing money for education?

"she voted against the 10-year $400 billion Medicare prescription-drug bill because she preferred one that was twice as expensive. " - You support wasteful government spending?

"In 2004, she voted to end Radio Marti broadcasts to Cuba." - You're against promoting democracy and freedom in a communist dictatorship?

"In 2004, she voted to end Radio Marti broadcasts to Cuba. She voted to reduce funds for the B-2 intercontinental bomber, which performed superbly in the 1999 Kosovo War, in 2001 in Afghanistan and in Iraq. Mrs. Pelosi has repeatedly opposed anti-missile defense, even as a nuclear-armed North Korea has tested ballistic missiles." - You're against America having the means to defend itself?

Sorry, anyone who is extremely far left or extremely far right is not a good choice for a leader. Pelosi is anything but good for our country.

It's okay to be wrong, bro'. You'll still sleep tonight.

She's awesome!

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She's awesome!

I get it now, you're being sarcastic. It was almost funny.

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You're a fan of Pelosi and you're calling me brainwashed? Pot meet kettle indeed.

Nancy P. is who this country has needed for quite a while! Who else has challenged Bush? If he's right, then the challenge will prove it. If he's not, wouldn't we all want to know?

Oh, yeah . . . AP, APR (NPR by default), and CNN (or CBN as it's called on 24). Fox is unbelievable. I'm not so blind as to think that CNN isn't a bit biased at times, but Fox, whew, they're over the top. The only time you see world news on Fox is when people are crying or killing. CNN at least acknowledges that we are a part of a world community.

VERY well said!!! Time will tell, and I agree with everything you wrote here, even if in a later comment someone said you were being sarcastic... I am not so sure about that, you wrote this as if it isn't.

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VERY well said!!! Time will tell, and I agree with everything you wrote here, even if in a later comment someone said you were being sarcastic... I am not so sure about that, you wrote this as if it isn't.

Has to be. No one in their right mind would consider the voting record that I posted above good for the country. People who support Pelosi either have no idea where she stands on issues, or are extremist liberals like she is. Extremists and the uniformed are never beneficial to a society and neither is she.

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VERY well said!!! Time will tell, and I agree with everything you wrote here, even if in a later comment someone said you were being sarcastic... I am not so sure about that, you wrote this as if it isn't.

Has to be. No one in their right mind would consider the voting record that I posted above good for the country. People who support Pelosi either have no idea where she stands on issues, or are extremist liberals like she is. Extremists and the uniformed are never beneficial to a society and neither is she.

I like what she said about Bush no longer being able to hold that "blank check" of taxpayers money. I think she is pretty sharp, and will do a good job. That makes me NO LABEL AT ALL, it makes me "just ME".

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I like what she said about Bush no longer being able to hold that "blank check" of taxpayers money. I think she is pretty sharp, and will do a good job. That makes me NO LABEL AT ALL, it makes me "just ME".

That's just one thing. Do you think someone who feels it's okay for a baby to be killed mid birth but it's not okay to execute a convicted murderer? Do you think a 14 year old should be able to have an abortion without her parents knowing? Do you want a politician who wants the military stripped down while countries around the world who hate us are arming up?

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I like what she said about Bush no longer being able to hold that "blank check" of taxpayers money. I think she is pretty sharp, and will do a good job. That makes me NO LABEL AT ALL, it makes me "just ME".

That's just one thing. Do you think someone who feels it's okay for a baby to be killed mid birth but it's not okay to execute a convicted murderer? Do you think a 14 year old should be able to have an abortion without her parents knowing? Do you want a politician who wants the military stripped down while countries around the world who hate us are arming up?

She is just like every other Politician out there... Maybe now that she actually CAN do something about things, it will be different... Popular to Bush's ideas? Maybe not, but his idea's aren't too popular anyway.

As far as abortions... Bush campaigned TWICE on doing away with them, but has been in office six years and done nothing.

Politicians are Politicians, and when given actual responsibility they are usually different people... Lord knows Bush and Cheney are both much different than they portrayed to the Nation during the elections.

I'm not talking about Bush, I'm talking about Pelosi. Forget about Bush and go back to the link I provided and read about what she stands for. She wants minors to be able to have an abortion without telling their parents among other off the wall ideas. Is that okay with you?

NashBama, I'm not being sarcastic. Abortion is a dead issue (no pun intended). Not a single person elected based on the pro-life platform has ever done anything. People keep voting for fools just because these politicians say they are against abortion. It's costing our country too much.

Might I add, you are absolutely correct: I do not have a "right" mind--it's quite left of right, and a little right of left. It gets most difficult when I have to fly because of the difficulty I have in associating with either a right or a left wing! I get on anyway because I can ride in the middle.

Basically, I've treated your deriding with a bit of humor. Please stay on topic as opposed to resorting to ad hominem arguments that tend to belittle your point as opposed to your opponent's. My mind is in perfect condition and is working through a Ph.D. at the moment.

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NashBama, I'm not being sarcastic. Abortion is a dead issue (no pun intended). Not a single person elected based on the pro-life platform has ever done anything. People keep voting for fools just because these politicians say they are against abortion. It's costing our country too much.

Might I add, you are absolutely correct: I do not have a "right" mind--it's quite left of right, and a little right of left. It gets most difficult when I have to fly because of the difficulty I have in associating with either a right or a left wing! I get on anyway because I can ride in the middle.

Basically, I've treated your deriding with a bit of humor. Please stay on topic as opposed to resorting to ad hominem arguments that tend to belittle your point as opposed to your opponent's. My mind is in perfect condition and is working through a Ph.D. at the moment.

I knew you were either in the Education Field, or in College, but never thought PHD... GOOD FOR YOU!!!

I also agree with you about abortion, even though I would never consider it, nor would I WANT either one of my daughter's to, I cannot do anything about any other woman's body but my own. I don't have to like it, I just have to live with it.

I dont have to like the fact we ate in Iraq, I just have to live with it.

I do like what this person says, mostly because of the intelligence, and (confidence.. .. had to say that because filter wouldn't take c'o'c'k'y attituce, lol) Sometimes that is a good thing.

Good luck to you on the PHD!!!! I have a daughter-in-law who is going for her's also, so I know how hard it is.

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My mind is in perfect condition and is working through a Ph.D. at the moment.

Book sense isn't common sense, something anyone who is extreme on either side is lacking. That's not meant to be co cky or insulting, it's simply honesty.

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I mean Nashville public television. Much better than Alabama's IMO.

I agree,What do you feel the people need to do to get the media back?

For depth of coverage, and objectivity, the top of the list has to be PBS, NPR and many of the weekly news magazines, Time, Newsweek, and even the Standard.
NBC tops the commercial television networks, just because they devote some of their time to NEWS.
Trusting the media is not an issue. If you cannot get the information directly you get it filtered through some other person. If a mother tells a father that Johnny broke Mrs. Smith's window, he will probably believe it. If she says Mrs Smith says Johnny broke her window He might want to go ask Mrs Smith.
If Moyers tells me Hussain Shot a man dead, I am going to assume Moyers heard it from someone he trusted, and I cannot ask that person where he got the information.
Trusting the media is entirely based on the care they take to verify what they report.

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I mean Nashville public television. Much better than Alabama's IMO.

I agree,What do you feel the people need to do to get the media back?

For depth of coverage, and objectivity, the top of the list has to be PBS, NPR and many of the weekly news magazines, Time, Newsweek, and even the Standard.
NBC tops the commercial television networks, just because they devote some of their time to NEWS.
Trusting the media is not an issue. If you cannot get the information directly you get it filtered through some other person. If a mother tells a father that Johnny broke Mrs. Smith's window, he will probably believe it. If she says Mrs Smith says Johnny broke her window He might want to go ask Mrs Smith.
If Moyers tells me Hussain Shot a man dead, I am going to assume Moyers heard it from someone he trusted, and I cannot ask that person where he got the information.
Trusting the media is entirely based on the care they take to verify what they report.

Check this out my friend!

Video : Elite Propaganda

The Myth of the Liberal Media

Edward Herman and Noam Chomsky demolish one of the central tenets of our political culture, the idea of the "liberal media." Instead, utilizing a systematic model based on massive empirical research, they reveal the manner in which the news media are so subordinated to corporate and conservative interests that their function can only be described as that of "elite propaganda."
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6435.htm

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My mind is in perfect condition and is working through a Ph.D. at the moment.

Book sense isn't common sense, something anyone who is extreme on either side is lacking. That's not meant to be co cky or insulting, it's simply honesty.

Friend, you insult our intelligence when you write things like "That's not meant to be . . ." It's quite obvious what it's meant to be. I understand your position, but this is the second time that you've resorted to name-calling or insulting tactics. You should consider the fact that it is okay for mentally healthy people to disagree with you. The difference in opinion does not infer some type of mental incapability. It is, however, evidence that we are in America, where variants can freely thrive without the fear of molestation. That being said, the same freedoms that protect our right to disagree also protect your right to be belligerent. Let us step a little further, then, to add that it ensures the forum's freedom to judge your inability to deal with a stance that differs from yours.

I haven't called you any names or insulted you, I'm sorry you feel that way. You have to understand, most people consider extremism a pretty frightening thing.

After sitting back, watching this thread develop, I finally decided to post a reply.

Who do I get my news from?. Well, I can guarantee you it is not from CBS (See B.S.), NBC (National Broadcasters for Clinton), ABC (American Broadcasters for Clinton, even though I used to watch ABC all the time when younger), PBS (Pravda Broadcasting Service), and CNN (Clinton News Network). I do not watch PMS-NBC, either...(who does? ratings show that).

Me, I watch the FOXY News Channel (some of the bubble-headed bleach-blondes {and brunettes}, who come on at five, they will tell you 'bout the plane crash, with a gleam in their eye...it is interesting when people die, give us dirty laundry...). FYI: most in the military watch FOX News.....especially if they have been to Iraq or Afghanistan. Why? Fox News seems to respect us and tell our story the most. I met Greg Kelly from Fox News before we crossed the border. I also met the entire Fox and Friends morning crew while they did a morning show at Camp Pennsylvania, Kuwait in FEB 2003. Not on FOX but a reporter I met and liked over there was Ted Koppel of ABC....I have also met and talked to face to face and man to man with John McWethy of ABC News...always liked him. Back to FOXY News, I like Bill O'Reilly and currently reading some of his books. I like LTC Ollie North's "War Stories" series....I used to listen to Rush Limbaugh alot, but have been going to other places of late. I miss listening to G. Gordon Liddy. He always gave good advice....and historical perspective.

I like Lou Dobbs on CNN...about the only show I can stomach on that channel. He lets the blade fall and tells it realisticly about the illegals...

Print media? Well, Times-Daily I read on the 'net for hometown stuff...I also read www.al.com (B-ham news). Montgomery Advertiser online, and Washington Times. I do not read the New York Pravda Times....nor the Chicagograd Chronicals of Lies...I ESPECIALLY despise the San Freaksicko Chronicals of Pravada (I even got into a debate in Iraq with one of their reporters...lets just say after i whipped out my life-membership card to the NRA, he fled...for real, he refused to debate). The Atlanta Urinal and Constipation, with one of its editors, Cynthia Tucker (my alma mater needs to revoke the degree they awarded her....), is off the charts. The Kansas City (Star) Black Hole is aweful.....

Other online places I go to are: World Net daily, Newsmax, Washington Times, Michele Malkin, among a few I go to. Sometimes I check out The Early Bird (DOD employees only allowed website, kinda like Drudge Report). I love Drudge Report....Al Jazeerra I go to to see what the enemy is thinking about today.....

Some of the British papers I check out (Sunday Times, The Sun or Daily Sun...yeah, I like to see who the Page 3 girl is sometimes..LOL).

Well, there you have it...I am certain some who dislike what I listed will immediately flame me.....others will give thoughtful debate. To those who just want to blabber away:

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I haven't called you any names or insulted you, I'm sorry you feel that way. You have to understand, most people consider extremism a pretty frightening thing.

And, many extremists are the only citizens who employ the word.

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And, many extremists are the only citizens who employ the word.

Ummm, okay.

i've watched bbc news on mississippi public tv a few times, thought it was pretty good.

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And, many extremists are the only citizens who employ the word.

Ummm, okay.

I assume by the "Ummm" that you did not understand that I was calling you an extremist. It's a term that no one owns but everyone assigns. I would prefer to be categorized in a more concrete, less subjective manner.

It's the same with the word "lazy." Most people only use it to tell someone else that he or she isn't doing what they were told. A label of convenience.

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And, many extremists are the only citizens who employ the word.

Ummm, okay.

I assume by the "Ummm" that you did not understand that I was calling you an extremist. It's a term that no one owns but everyone assigns. I would prefer to be categorized in a more concrete, less subjective manner.

It's the same with the word "lazy." Most people only use it to tell someone else that he or she isn't doing what they were told. A label of convenience.

Very elequoently put!!!!!

The "umm" is for an incoherent sentence. Calling someone who's generally considered a moderate an extremest is simply bizarre.

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The "umm" is for an incoherent sentence. Calling someone who's generally considered a moderate an extremest is simply bizarre.

My friend, it would serve you well to recuse yourself from a battle of words, semantics, diction, and coherence with me.

It is hardly bizarre to think that anyone can call anyone anything and be completely correct based upon his/her worldview. You, according to the generalities of media, are hardly a moderate; you are quite right-wing. According to my worldview, you are also an extremist, politically, because of your seeming tendencies to mix your religion with your government (a mixture that has not proven peaceful in our world's Islamic countries).

We are standing in two different places and we see two different things. That's not bizarre; that's physics.

Nope, you're wrong. Extreme right wing conservatives are against legalizing marijuana, I'm for it. Extreme right wing conservatives want all abortion to be made illegal tomorrow, I don't. Extreme right wing conservatives want to suppress movies, books, television, and music that doesn't suit their taste, I believe in free expression. I don't believe a government entity has the right to force religion on people.

In other words, you don't know me as well as you think you do. I know my beliefs, if I were to wear a label it would be moderate. Some of my views are conservative, others can be considered liberal. Anyone who can look at an extremist's absurd voting record and consider it wise is an extremist themselves. As I stated before, extremism on either the left or the right shows a lack of common sense and is dangerous to this country.

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Nope, you're wrong. Extreme right wing conservatives are against legalizing marijuana, I'm for it. Extreme right wing conservatives want all abortion to be made illegal tomorrow, I don't. Extreme right wing conservatives want to suppress movies, books, television, and music that doesn't suit their taste, I believe in free expression. I don't believe a government entity has the right to force religion on people.

In other words, you don't know me as well as you think you do. I know my beliefs, if I were to wear a label it would be moderate. Some of my views are conservative, others can be considered liberal. Anyone who can look at an extremist's absurd voting record and consider it wise is an extremist themselves. As I stated before, extremism on either the left or the right shows a lack of common sense and is dangerous to this country.

Amen!!!

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Nope, you're wrong. Extreme right wing conservatives are against legalizing marijuana, I'm for it. Extreme right wing conservatives want all abortion to be made illegal tomorrow, I don't. Extreme right wing conservatives want to suppress movies, books, television, and music that doesn't suit their taste, I believe in free expression. I don't believe a government entity has the right to force religion on people.

In other words, you don't know me as well as you think you do. I know my beliefs, if I were to wear a label it would be moderate. Some of my views are conservative, others can be considered liberal. Anyone who can look at an extremist's absurd voting record and consider it wise is an extremist themselves. As I stated before, extremism on either the left or the right shows a lack of common sense and is dangerous to this country.

It's your religious slant that makes you a bit extreme for me.

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It's your religious slant that makes you a bit extreme for me.

When you're that far left, the middle probably does seem extreme. That's pretty sad.

Video: Sen. Diane Feinstein blows the whistle on yet another Bush power grab :

Watch this video and tremble -fear for the future of Democracy, Due Process of Law, freedom itself:
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My mind is in perfect condition and is working through a Ph.D. at the moment.

What is the academic area of your Ph.D. program? You must either commute or live outside of the Shoals, because you sure can't get one here (which is a shame).

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My mind is in perfect condition and is working through a Ph.D. at the moment.

What is the academic area of your Ph.D. program? You must either commute or live outside of the Shoals, because you sure can't get one here (which is a shame).

English (American Literature) at MTSU

It would be nice for UNA to at least offer more M.A. programs. They have a fine English faculty who offer a wonderful M.A. in English. With some tweaking and hiring they could be on the path that leads to Ph.D.s within five years or so.

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Of your list, abortion is the only thing I wish was illegal, but it's an incredibly shallow issue since no one who has been elected based on a Pro-Life standpoint has ever done anything. It's time to reevaluate the political costs of feeling good just because the incumbent is against abortion.

Also, what you call religious suppression is a fun little spin on making sure that all religions are given a chance to thrive. Obviously that type of atmosphere has worked well for Christians since they've integrated their belief system into the capitalistic dream. Florence has a number of church buildings that out-perform some of the Civic buildings. These temples and synagogues on every corner have enjoyed the freedom as should all religions.

Yes, Pelosi is WONDERFUL for this country.

I agree with a lot that you say. Abortion I would be against, gay issues. I don't think gays should even have rights because it's against God's laws. With so many different religions out there, and here in America we have many churches that have split, from the branches of the Baptists, Church of Christ, etc.. Here's one for you that you might want to check into and I never have understood it. The Church of Christ does not agree with the Baptist or any other church. Their doctrine is strictly from the Bible. As far as Pelosi, I think she's just another corporate democrat. This democrat party is not going to be a threat to Bush, with the exception of maybe a few. But not enough that any conservatives should be concerned about.

Hold on there, pba! You say that the Church of Christ "never speak up against the Pat Robertson's or the Jerry Falwell's, the very people they do not believe in." Now THAT is a very broad, all-encompassing, catch-all, comprehensive, and absolutist statement if I ever say one!

When you say that any organization, be it church, fraternal order, book review club or whatever, "never" does something, you are in effect placing yourself in the asserted position of having full and confident knowledge of ALL that the accused entity has, or has not, done or said with regard to the issue under discussion.

Consider first of all that the the Church of Christ has NO central headquarters organization that speaks for their entire fellowship. There is no convention, synod, diocese or other such body to speak for the numerous autonomous congregations of the Churches of Christ. Thus, you could not possibly have found a universal statement or policy from Churches of Christ concerning Falwell, Robertson or other heretical televangelists of their ilk. To buttress your claim, then, you must have checked out all of the thousands of congregations of the Churches of Christ around the world and confirmed that NONE of them or their members has said anything critical of Falwell or Robertson.

Please advise whether you have conducted such a survey, and if not-which is more than likely-- then you might wish to reconsider your comment.

Also, should you venture to actually consult with a good cross section of members of the Churches of Christ, you would find a strong rejection of much of the tripe preached and taught by Falwell and Robertson and their ilk--especially as concerns the un-Biblical "last days" fairy tale stuff propounded by these nutcakes and by all too many other deranged premillennialist false prophets. But there is also a large body of false and heretical doctrine beyond these particular beliefs that is propounded by Falwell, Robertson and scads of other false teachers and the best way to oppose such error is simply to teach the TRUTH. To describe and expose every kind of false doctrine that is at large on the theological landscape is a task that would require thousands of workers going at it 24 hours a day 365 days a year. Better to just teach the truth, which then will expose the error to those who will listen with on open mind and who just might be disposed to re-evaluate the tripe propagated by the Falwells, Robertsons, Benny Hinns, Oral Robertsons, the Trinity Broadcasting Network gang of prosperity gospel hucksters and the rest of the loathsome crowd of PROPHETS for PROFIT!

I made it a rule Mr Crowder NOT to respond to anymore post created by PBA, but had to see what you said and as usual you set the record straight. I STILL wish you would run for city council. You would get a lot more support than you may think. A lot of people are like me, admire and respect you for your efforts to keep this and the past bunch in check and your monumental and effective efforts in saving the TVA trail. Thanks for correcting this subject! THE DOG

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What news media do you trust? Do you watch them all to get all views of the news? What TV & radio stations in Huntsville do you trust with the news? do you trust Fox,cnn,msnbc,abc,cbs,nbc? do you watch and trust PBS?

pba take a look at this speech. It's Bill Moyers at a media reform conference in Memphis.