Video evidence these people are liars. It doesn't matter to me if he bowed but why do it and then lie about it?
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Khalid al-Mansour who helped finance Obama's education with money from the Saudi Royal Family would be proud.
I'm sorry did the corporate media not mention Khalid al-Mansour? What they didn't mention the home loan thing either. I bet a Iraqi oil billionaire didn't help finance your home.
I'm sorry did the corporate media not mention Khalid al-Mansour? What they didn't mention the home loan thing either. I bet a Iraqi oil billionaire didn't help finance your home.
Tell me this isn't a bow:
They claimed he was grasping the King's hand with both of his. Yeah right. Obama's left arm is down by his side. Who bows to shake hands? The king can't raise his hand up?
It was a bow, plain and simple. Either that or he tripped on the rug. That will be the next explanation.
It was a bow, plain and simple. Either that or he tripped on the rug. That will be the next explanation.
Obama and Bush both proved to be about as manly as Barney Frank in their meetings
1. It is definitely a bow. The White House aide is wrong in denying it.
2. Obama was showing respect, sort of like a person meeting many local traditions. Every media outlet in the country was so worried he would miss protocol with the British queen.
3. What difference does it make? Absolutely none. It is simply a gesture.
4. Many Republicans are again desperate to find any criticism just like many Democrats crawled all over Bush. But if Bush had done this same thing I would have simply said it was a gesture.
On a lighter note (which I doubt would be the case here):
Have you ever had someone smile at your face while they stab you in the back? It is a common event in a lot of workplaces. Who knows?
2. Obama was showing respect, sort of like a person meeting many local traditions. Every media outlet in the country was so worried he would miss protocol with the British queen.
3. What difference does it make? Absolutely none. It is simply a gesture.
4. Many Republicans are again desperate to find any criticism just like many Democrats crawled all over Bush. But if Bush had done this same thing I would have simply said it was a gesture.
On a lighter note (which I doubt would be the case here):
Have you ever had someone smile at your face while they stab you in the back? It is a common event in a lot of workplaces. Who knows?
Obama did miss protocol to the Queen. He was supposed to bow to her, as is customary. He clasped her hand in his. Now that was a two handed shake, not the proper protocol, and he did not have to bow to do it even though the lady is shorter than the King.
Dem or rep, it was not right.
Dem or rep, it was not right.
Serious question here. How does his bowing, not bowing, holding a hand, etc... affect his ability to lead our country? Please - I am NOT trying to be sarcastic -- I really would like to know your views on how it relates.
Between,the position of his hand and position of his head,that meeting looks like it is starting like Barny Franks favorite Pay per View.
quote:Originally posted by katrenia_porter:
Serious question here. How does his bowing, not bowing, holding a hand, etc... affect his ability to lead our country? Please - I am NOT trying to be sarcastic -- I really would like to know your views on how it relates.
It shows his lack of diplomatic experience and the failure of his aides/advisors to inform him of proper protocol. This was a planned trip, and if he does not know proper protocol, he should have been advised of it...it ain't like he just ran into the Queen of England and the King of Saudi Arabia at the local basketball game while quaffing a beer.
I remember when Carter bussed the Queen Mum on the lips. She was livid.
Proper protocol for the American President greeting a foreign leader is to NOT bow nor to show deference to the other leader but to respectfully shake hands. This also applies to the queen of England.
W almost caused a bit of a protocol breach when he began to bow to the Japanese PM. One of his aides grabbed his arm and reminded him.
W almost caused a bit of a protocol breach when he began to bow to the Japanese PM. One of his aides grabbed his arm and reminded him.
Maybe he was telling him his fly was unzipped.
WOW - Obama has a big ***.....
quote:Originally posted by Flyboy70:
WOW - Obama has a big ***.....
LOL - You're right - it's bubble-ish and way up high - I never noticed that.
quote:Originally posted by Ron Pheixising:
Tell me this isn't a bow:
He's not bowing, he's just reaching down to tie his shoes. HAAAAAAAhahahahahahaha!!!
quote:Originally posted by katrenia_porter:
Serious question here. How does his bowing, not bowing, holding a hand, etc... affect his ability to lead our country? Please - I am NOT trying to be sarcastic -- I really would like to know your views on how it relates.
If someone from England came to your home, and you offered him your hand to shake, and s/he just looked at you, what would be your response?
There is no excuse for heads of state to not know what proper protocol is. Of course, we have to remember that Obama noted that Hillary's total foreign relations experience amounted to having tea with the Queen, and Hillary pointed out that Obama's total foreign relations experience amounted to giving a couple of speeches on the floor of the Senate - so it should come as no surprise that our government has no idea how to conduct foreign relations even with regard to the simplest matters.
quote:Originally posted by CrustyMac:quote:Originally posted by Ron Pheixising:
Tell me this isn't a bow:
He's not bowing, he's just reaching down to tie his shoes. HAAAAAAAhahahahahahaha!!!
He, as a Muslim is bowing to the king as is required.
Wow what a thing to worry about after our last president (the worst we have ever had) almost led us to ruin.
quote:Originally posted by jlecl1:
Wow what a thing to worry about after our last president (the worst we have ever had) almost led us to ruin.
Really, you slept through history class, didn't you?
If you don't sweat the small stuff - and he is supposed to have staff for that - how are we to believe he has even the slightest grasp of the big stuff?
Politics is filled with such Hypocrisy. If this had been George Bush or any Republican then you would have Democrats in Congress jumping over themselves to ask for impeachment. The same would have happened if any Republican congregation of Senators went to Cuba and said what was said. There would be cries of Treason. Just because of who it is though and the party in power along with a very sympathetic media nothing is made of it and those on here that would be for nailing Bush up on a Cross are very forgiving.
This isn't to say Republicans are perfect or Democrats but rather that they both do just the same thing as the others and no matter what happens someone will always be looking for something negative to make of it. In this case it's embarrassing to have the leader of the free world bow before the Saudi's unless of course Obama is wanting to send a far more veiled message to Muslims out there that we are now on their side.
This isn't to say Republicans are perfect or Democrats but rather that they both do just the same thing as the others and no matter what happens someone will always be looking for something negative to make of it. In this case it's embarrassing to have the leader of the free world bow before the Saudi's unless of course Obama is wanting to send a far more veiled message to Muslims out there that we are now on their side.
Isn't this the same guy George Bush held hands with? Where does holding hands fall in protocol?
I have more of a problem with how ALL our presidents treat the pope..do not bow or kneel or kiss the hand of a simple equal human
It could have been worse...
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quote:Originally posted by MarianLibrarian:
Isn't this the same guy George Bush held hands with? Where does holding hands fall in protocol?
To Arabic men, it has no sexual connotation at all...it's a sign of trust and friendship and signifies the importance of the two parties involved.
quote:Originally posted by Sassy Kims:quote:Originally posted by MarianLibrarian:
Isn't this the same guy George Bush held hands with? Where does holding hands fall in protocol?
To Arabic men, it has no sexual connotation at all...it's a sign of trust and friendship and signifies the importance of the two parties involved.
Bush is not an Arabic Man,so if Bush had met a homosexual he would have bent him over?
Yea most likely
quote:Originally posted by Roger Waters:quote:Originally posted by Sassy Kims:quote:Originally posted by MarianLibrarian:
Isn't this the same guy George Bush held hands with? Where does holding hands fall in protocol?
To Arabic men, it has no sexual connotation at all...it's a sign of trust and friendship and signifies the importance of the two parties involved.
Bush is not an Arabic Man,so if Bush had met a homosexual he would have bent him over?
Yea most likely
Your obscene mind and comments are not appreciated. Grow up, act like an adult or let mommy have the computer back.
GWB's actions were perfectly correct, and according to protocol..unlike O bow a's ..
I have no problem with Obama bowing to a head of state, in his court, if that is the protocol and diplomatic thing to do. Would he not bow to the Emperor of Japan?
The thing that burns me is he denies it. He should just say "hell, yes, I bowed. It was the polite thing to do".
DF
The thing that burns me is he denies it. He should just say "hell, yes, I bowed. It was the polite thing to do".
DF
The bow itself is not a HUGE deal, at least in my opinion, although it is somewhat disconcerting that he felt the need to show deference. It does, however, seem to be in line with his various apologetic speeches that he gave while overseas.
What is even more disconcerting is, if it truly is not a big deal, then why did the White House, in the person of his press secretary, feel the need to deny that it was a bow? If they would lie about this action, something that they admittedly consider to be a non-issue, then about what else will they feel the need to deny the plain truth?
If Obama just came out and said that, as someone with experience in and exposure to the Muslim world, he was simply showing respect or following tradition, then fine, no big deal. But to have Gibbs tell the press, and America, "It wasn't a bow. It was a two-handed shake, even though one hand was down by his side. Oh, and pay no attention to that man behind the curtain" is troubling. The people of America will forgive many faults in their president. Lying to America is not one of them, as Nixon discovered.
What is even more disconcerting is, if it truly is not a big deal, then why did the White House, in the person of his press secretary, feel the need to deny that it was a bow? If they would lie about this action, something that they admittedly consider to be a non-issue, then about what else will they feel the need to deny the plain truth?
If Obama just came out and said that, as someone with experience in and exposure to the Muslim world, he was simply showing respect or following tradition, then fine, no big deal. But to have Gibbs tell the press, and America, "It wasn't a bow. It was a two-handed shake, even though one hand was down by his side. Oh, and pay no attention to that man behind the curtain" is troubling. The people of America will forgive many faults in their president. Lying to America is not one of them, as Nixon discovered.
quote:Originally posted by jlecl1:
Wow what a thing to worry about after our last president (the worst we have ever had) almost led us to ruin.
It is WAY too early to objectively judge Bush's presidency. Case in point: Truman's approval ratings upon leaving the office, according to some polls, were even LOWER than Bush's. Today, however, he is counted by many as one of the best. Does this mean that Bush will rebound as did Truman? Who knows? Perhaps he will, or he may just remain ensconced with the likes of Harding and Buchanan, who, by the way, tops many polls as the worst US president. His refusal to confront the approaching storm over the extension of slavery was a major factor in the Civil War occurring when it did. A fair to good diplomat, Buchanan's political beholding to Southern slave owners, many of them, like Buchanan, members of the Democratic party, doomed both his presidency and the United States as it stood back then.