And I am not a "Republican or Democrat" I have voted for both parties in the past.
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Thank You Joe the Plumer
Thank You Joe the Plumer
I'm gonna make a wild guess.
People that support Obama will say he won.
People that support McCain will say he won.
How's that for going out on a limb ?
People that support Obama will say he won.
People that support McCain will say he won.
How's that for going out on a limb ?
It is totally in McCain's best interest to never speak in public. I seriously don't understand how anybody can listen to him & think "yep, that's who I'm voting for".
He's a bumbling idiot as a speaker. I'm sorry, but that's the hard truth.
He sickens me every time he tells a story to garner sympathy that has fake written all over it.
He also has zero self control, constantly interrupting Obama. He acts like a child.
I have heard identical memorized answers from McCain every time I hear him speak, even when the question asked has nothing to do with what he's saying or subject he's addressing. He never thinks past the stump speech and sympathy stories.
Most importantly, he has no trouble in lying about someone he's sitting in the same room with. Good grief, this man claims to be a Christian? I think McCain is "God & Country" just like Bush is, but hasn't talked to Jesus in a really long time. Just my opinion based on his actions speaking there, not condemning the man to Hell or anything. I of course have no authority to do so nor would I want it.
I'm not voting FOR Obama, but unless God stands up and says "no, don't do it" before Nov. 4th, I will be voting against McCain by putting my mark by Obama's name.
Unlike McCain, Obama is able to think quickly and broadly, responding intelligently. I never get the feeling he's being anything but genuine. He keeps trying to debate the issues as that is why they are there, despite McCain's insistence on replaying his TV ads. I may not agree with Obama on some issues, but he's a much better choice than McCain.
JMHO
He's a bumbling idiot as a speaker. I'm sorry, but that's the hard truth.
He sickens me every time he tells a story to garner sympathy that has fake written all over it.
He also has zero self control, constantly interrupting Obama. He acts like a child.
I have heard identical memorized answers from McCain every time I hear him speak, even when the question asked has nothing to do with what he's saying or subject he's addressing. He never thinks past the stump speech and sympathy stories.
Most importantly, he has no trouble in lying about someone he's sitting in the same room with. Good grief, this man claims to be a Christian? I think McCain is "God & Country" just like Bush is, but hasn't talked to Jesus in a really long time. Just my opinion based on his actions speaking there, not condemning the man to Hell or anything. I of course have no authority to do so nor would I want it.
I'm not voting FOR Obama, but unless God stands up and says "no, don't do it" before Nov. 4th, I will be voting against McCain by putting my mark by Obama's name.
Unlike McCain, Obama is able to think quickly and broadly, responding intelligently. I never get the feeling he's being anything but genuine. He keeps trying to debate the issues as that is why they are there, despite McCain's insistence on replaying his TV ads. I may not agree with Obama on some issues, but he's a much better choice than McCain.
JMHO
I am not basing my vote on a good speaker.
Neither am I.
Wow, way to take one sentences out of many & jump, guys.
Joy, I wasn't trying to do that. I am trying to watch the debate and didn't have time to say everything I want to say, but I will.
They both sounded like a couple of little girls arguing about the negative ads. Both of them are guilty of those.
quote:Originally posted by bama in chi-town:
They both sounded like a couple of little girls arguing about the negative ads. Both of them are guilty of those.
They're both FOS.
Instead of a debate, they should put on the boxing gloves and duke it out. I'd bet the old guy could take him. It would be a helluva lot more interesting.
McCain came out swinging the first 30 minutes, but the last 30 minutes Obama came out swinging. Obama used to many "a,a,a,a,a" and McCain smile to much.
Hi to all,
Obama confirmed that he is totally committed to a Pro-Abortion stance. John McCain confirmed in this debate -- and by choosing Sarah Palin as a running mate -- that he is Pro-Life.
For the sake of the 1.4 MILLION babies (on average) aborted in America every year since 1973 -- I AM VOTING FOR McCAIN AND PALIN.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
Obama confirmed that he is totally committed to a Pro-Abortion stance. John McCain confirmed in this debate -- and by choosing Sarah Palin as a running mate -- that he is Pro-Life.
For the sake of the 1.4 MILLION babies (on average) aborted in America every year since 1973 -- I AM VOTING FOR McCAIN AND PALIN.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
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I thought I heard Sen Obama say that no one was Pro Abortion.
Thing that is crazy is that people want to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her body. Do you see nothing wrong with that. No person with a penis should have any say in that subject since we don't carry a child.
Thing that is crazy is that people want to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her body. Do you see nothing wrong with that. No person with a penis should have any say in that subject since we don't carry a child.
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi to all,
Obama confirmed that he is totally committed to a Pro-Abortion stance. John McCain confirmed in this debate -- and by choosing Sarah Palin as a running mate -- that he is Pro-Life.
For the sake of the 1.4 MILLION babies (on average) aborted in America every year since 1973 -- I AM VOTING FOR McCAIN AND PALIN.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
Well seeing as how I do not have a uterus I do not think that arguement is my business. I will be voting for McCain because of his views on foriegn policy and the economy not because of his views on issues which do not affect me.
quote:Originally posted by bama in chi-town:quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi to all,
Obama confirmed that he is totally committed to a Pro-Abortion stance. John McCain confirmed in this debate -- and by choosing Sarah Palin as a running mate -- that he is Pro-Life.
For the sake of the 1.4 MILLION babies (on average) aborted in America every year since 1973 -- I AM VOTING FOR McCAIN AND PALIN.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
Well seeing as how I do not have a uterus I do not think that arguement is my business. I will be voting for McCain because of his views on foriegn policy and the economy not because of his views on issues which do not affect me.
Hi Bama,
If you truly believe that executing 1.4 MILLION babies every year in America does not affect you -- what jungle are you living in today?
Every innocent life taken through abortion affects everyone. How can you say that the genocide of unborn babies does not affect you?
Do you hate children? Would you be happy if all children were executed? Then, you wouldn't have to be bothered by the little snot-nosed pest. Is that your attitude?
Gee, if all Americans had that attitude before you were born -- I would not have to question you on this issue of killing babies. You would not be here to debate with me.
Every innocent baby killed -- affects every single living human being. That is why we supposedly are called a "civilized society" -- or are you against that also?
Bama, I suppose you prefer to live in a rich society which sacrifices innocent babies on the altar of Molech. Burn the litle suckers to death. Is that your desire? That is what saline abortions do -- they burn the unborn baby to death.
You are so wrong, my Friend. That innocent young life might be the next great composer, the next great scientist, the next great president. But, it will not have the opportunity to fulfil that dream -- because you want it killed before it has a chance to live.
Sorry, my Friend, you are so wrong.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
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quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:
You are so wrong, my Friend. That innocent young life might be the next great composer, the next great scientist, the next great president. But, it will not have the opportunity to fulfil that dream -- because you want it killed before it has a chance to live.
Sorry, my Friend, you are so wrong.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
That innocent young life might also be the next great serial killer!
What's your argument for that?
To get back to Joy briefly, and Joy, you know I love you. But here is what I meant by my comment. When I was a little girl, I was taught that actions speak louder than words. For many years, I remembered that little phrase, but I didn't really understand it. As I have gotten older and faced more real life issues and encountered many different personalities, I've realized just how true that is. Barack Obama is an excellent orator. If I was judging him on his oratory skills alone, I'd give him a strong A-. However, I am judging him on his past. Luckily for me, I can and have had the luxury of looking at how he has voted in the past on issues that are important to me. I literally have been on the website that shows every single bill he has voted on and read it all.
If I am to believe much of the eloquent speech flowing from his lips, then I have to believe Obama will be abandoning his past actions in the Senate. Sorry, but actions really do speak louder than words.
If I am to believe much of the eloquent speech flowing from his lips, then I have to believe Obama will be abandoning his past actions in the Senate. Sorry, but actions really do speak louder than words.
McCain went in looking like a maverick. When Obama got through with him, he came out looking like a mule.
Hey, JJPAUL. Good to see you here. I think you missed my post in another thread earlier when I asked what you do for a living. Would you mind telling me?
quote:Originally posted by TPLAW2:
Hey, JJPAUL. Good to see you here. I think you missed my post in another thread earlier when I asked what you do for a living. Would you mind telling me?
WHY?
The obvious winner tonight was Joe the Plummer.
By now he probably has a ghost writer to write his life story, and someone wanting to put that story on the silver screen. He won't have to be concerned about that tax.
By now he probably has a ghost writer to write his life story, and someone wanting to put that story on the silver screen. He won't have to be concerned about that tax.
quote:Originally posted by flotown79: I thought I heard Sen Obama say that no one was Pro Abortion.
Thing that is crazy is that people want to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her body. Do you see nothing wrong with that. No person with a penis should have any say in that subject since we don't carry a child.
Hi Flo,
Obama can say that he is green with purple dots; but that does not make it true. He has a 100% voting record in voting FOR ABORTION -- as reported by NARAL, the pro-abortion organization. To NARAL, having a 100% voting record FOR ABORTION is a plus -- and they praise Obama for his Pro-Abortion voting stance. I would say that makes him PRO-ABORTION
Now, to your second comment -- regarding the person with a penis. Without him, the ladies would not have to worry about abortions -- would they? So, I would say, just my guess -- that Mr. Penis is surely involved.
But, regardless of whether you are Mr. Penis or Ms. Vagina -- we are talking about the life of an innocent baby. We are not talking about the right of Mr. Penis and Ms. Vagina to have their recreational sex. They just have to accept the responsibility that goes along with that recreation.
As the auto mechanic tells us, "Pay me now -- or pay me more later." The same goes for men and women who use abortion as their primary choice of birth control.
And that baby which is a result of their recreation should NOT have to pay with its life for their stupidity.
And, please do not resort to the same old lame excuse all Liberals always use: What about the women who are raped, are victims of incest, or the mother's health is in jeopardy?
All of those combined account for less that 3% of all abortions. The other 97% of abortions is for the purpose of birth control.
I will give you the 3% -- if you will give me the 97%. That would save the lives of 1.36 MILLION BABIES each and every year in America alone.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
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quote:But, regardless of whether you are Mr. Penis or Ms. Vagina --
Bill, Bill, Bill......
What are we gonna do with you?
Love him or hate him, that was funny.
Thanks for a good laugh after a long day.
Bill you need to read this 100 times!
Republicans legalized abortion. By Tom Blackburn
Palm Beach Post Columnist
Monday, October 13, 2008
A lot of people who want to prevent abortions think they have to vote Republican to get action. It is hard to see why.
No party that uses the distortions, evasions and dissimulation of the current administration to torture people can claim to respect human dignity. It is not pro-life. It could still be anti-abortion. Its deeds do not lend much support to that possibility, though, no matter what it says.
Before 1972, abortion laws were spotty. It was "on demand" in two states.
Several, including Florida, allowed it in cases of rape, incest and for the health - which would later become controversial - of the mother. It was totally illegal in much of the country. Then in 1972 came Roe vs. Wade in which the Supreme Court said states couldn't interfere with abortion in the first trimester. That's the decision anti-abortion folks rally against in Washington each January.
Who wrote it? A Republican justice (Harry Blackmun) appointed by a Republican president (Nixon). The court's majority consisted of four Republican appointees and three Democrats. The dissenters were one Republican (William Rehnquist) and one Democrat (Byron White).
Initially opponents thought they could get around the Supreme Court with a constitutional amendment. Oddly, that thrust abortion into presidential politics - oddly because a president has nothing to do with enacting constitutional amendments. Congress can propose them, but they go to the states for ratification without even a "by your leave" from the White House. For a president, being against abortion is as significant as being against frog legs for dinner.
After a few years the amendment route was seen to be a loser. Republican presidents stayed opposed to abortion rhetorically. In theatrical circles saying an actor "phoned in" his performance implies his heart wasn't in it. President Reagan flew to Phoenix to speak to the National Rifle Association but never drove a few blocks to make a speech to the antiabortion rallies each January outside the Supreme Court building. He literally phoned it in. Being heard by phone but not seen with abortion opponents has been President Bush's style as well.
By the 20th anniversary of Roe vs. Wade the Supreme Court had eight Republican appointees and the original Democratic dissenter (Justice White). That court upheld some state regulations but explicitly upheld abortion as a constitutional right.
Abortion was legalized and kept legal by black robed Republicans, not by a cabal of San Francisco Democrats.
In Congress, Republicans could complain that Democrats thwarted efforts to curb abortions. But then that excuse ran out. From 2003 to 2006 they held both houses of Congress. And the White House. And the Supreme Court.
You'd think something would happen after all the talk. They could have set up a law case for the current court with seven Republican appointees to use to reverse the 1972 decision.
In 2003 they passed the "partial-birth abortion" ban, which their floor managers explained would apply to only a very few abortions. The Supreme Court upheld it in 2007. That's all they accomplished on abortion while they controlled everything. It's all they tried to do.
Abortion has been very good for Republicans running for election. But for 35 years the Republicans who ran on it haven't done much to reward their supporters. People who supported President Bush for what he said about abortion now have an unnecessary war and torture on their consciences. And abortion is still legal.
Maybe Republicans think of abortion as an issue to run on, not to act on.
Could that be? The record does not disprove that suspicion.
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Republicans legalized abortion. By Tom Blackburn
Palm Beach Post Columnist
Monday, October 13, 2008
A lot of people who want to prevent abortions think they have to vote Republican to get action. It is hard to see why.
No party that uses the distortions, evasions and dissimulation of the current administration to torture people can claim to respect human dignity. It is not pro-life. It could still be anti-abortion. Its deeds do not lend much support to that possibility, though, no matter what it says.
Before 1972, abortion laws were spotty. It was "on demand" in two states.
Several, including Florida, allowed it in cases of rape, incest and for the health - which would later become controversial - of the mother. It was totally illegal in much of the country. Then in 1972 came Roe vs. Wade in which the Supreme Court said states couldn't interfere with abortion in the first trimester. That's the decision anti-abortion folks rally against in Washington each January.
Who wrote it? A Republican justice (Harry Blackmun) appointed by a Republican president (Nixon). The court's majority consisted of four Republican appointees and three Democrats. The dissenters were one Republican (William Rehnquist) and one Democrat (Byron White).
Initially opponents thought they could get around the Supreme Court with a constitutional amendment. Oddly, that thrust abortion into presidential politics - oddly because a president has nothing to do with enacting constitutional amendments. Congress can propose them, but they go to the states for ratification without even a "by your leave" from the White House. For a president, being against abortion is as significant as being against frog legs for dinner.
After a few years the amendment route was seen to be a loser. Republican presidents stayed opposed to abortion rhetorically. In theatrical circles saying an actor "phoned in" his performance implies his heart wasn't in it. President Reagan flew to Phoenix to speak to the National Rifle Association but never drove a few blocks to make a speech to the antiabortion rallies each January outside the Supreme Court building. He literally phoned it in. Being heard by phone but not seen with abortion opponents has been President Bush's style as well.
By the 20th anniversary of Roe vs. Wade the Supreme Court had eight Republican appointees and the original Democratic dissenter (Justice White). That court upheld some state regulations but explicitly upheld abortion as a constitutional right.
Abortion was legalized and kept legal by black robed Republicans, not by a cabal of San Francisco Democrats.
In Congress, Republicans could complain that Democrats thwarted efforts to curb abortions. But then that excuse ran out. From 2003 to 2006 they held both houses of Congress. And the White House. And the Supreme Court.
You'd think something would happen after all the talk. They could have set up a law case for the current court with seven Republican appointees to use to reverse the 1972 decision.
In 2003 they passed the "partial-birth abortion" ban, which their floor managers explained would apply to only a very few abortions. The Supreme Court upheld it in 2007. That's all they accomplished on abortion while they controlled everything. It's all they tried to do.
Abortion has been very good for Republicans running for election. But for 35 years the Republicans who ran on it haven't done much to reward their supporters. People who supported President Bush for what he said about abortion now have an unnecessary war and torture on their consciences. And abortion is still legal.
Maybe Republicans think of abortion as an issue to run on, not to act on.
Could that be? The record does not disprove that suspicion.
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Bill, if killing is killing. Then how do people with your view support the death penalty? You cant have it both ways. If a life is taken it is dead. If a leader does not believe in abortion then how can they be willing to send troops to kill. Seems strange to me. Feel free to explain.
What about rape victims, I guess they should be forced to carry the child.
The bottom line is men don't carry the child women do. Let them decide.
What about rape victims, I guess they should be forced to carry the child.
The bottom line is men don't carry the child women do. Let them decide.
quote:Originally posted by flotown79:
Bill, if killing is killing. Then how do people with your view support the death penalty? You cant have it both ways. If a life is taken it is dead. If a leader does not believe in abortion then how can they be willing to send troops to kill. Seems strange to me. Feel free to explain.
What about rape victims, I guess they should be forced to carry the child.
The bottom line is men don't carry the child women do. Let them decide.
You have nailed it,actually the death penalty is far far worse,WE KNOW WITHOUT A DOUBT life has begun, but as far as DECENT troops i dont label them killers
I am one of those troops that is why I am asking the question.
How can my Commander tell me to attack and kill the enemy, but he/she does not believe in taking a life. Killing is killing in my book. Like you said there is no doubt that the enemy is alive. That can't be disputed.
How can my Commander tell me to attack and kill the enemy, but he/she does not believe in taking a life. Killing is killing in my book. Like you said there is no doubt that the enemy is alive. That can't be disputed.
I was kinda wondering what all the mothers out there thought of this portion of the debate.
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I'm not quite sure what the point was McCain was trying to make.
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I'm not quite sure what the point was McCain was trying to make.
quote:Originally posted by TPLAW2:
To get back to Joy briefly, and Joy, you know I love you. But here is what I meant by my comment. When I was a little girl, I was taught that actions speak louder than words. For many years, I remembered that little phrase, but I didn't really understand it. As I have gotten older and faced more real life issues and encountered many different personalities, I've realized just how true that is. Barack Obama is an excellent orator. If I was judging him on his oratory skills alone, I'd give him a strong A-. However, I am judging him on his past. Luckily for me, I can and have had the luxury of looking at how he has voted in the past on issues that are important to me. I literally have been on the website that shows every single bill he has voted on and read it all.
If I am to believe much of the eloquent speech flowing from his lips, then I have to believe Obama will be abandoning his past actions in the Senate. Sorry, but actions really do speak louder than words.
No problem. I've already reviewed their records. Since this thread was on the debate, that is what I commented on.
on the abortion issue, I am a firm believer that abortion is wrong, wrong, wrong, but if a girl-woman doesn't want to have a child they are going to get rid of it somehow. What if it were your daughter or granddaughter which would you rather her do? go to a clinic where it is sterile or to a back-alley somewhere?
Voting for McCain will not overturn Roe vs. Wade. That's why voting based solely on the abortion issue is not wise. Bush has been in office for 8 years & he is against abortion.
Another problem with voting for a candidate based on one issue is missing the candidate's flaws on other issues.
I have friends and family that are literally blind to McCain's flaws, won't even admit they exist & repeat the same inaccuracies I receive in anonymous emails as if they are facts.
I don't have a problem with admitting Obama's flaws, but you can't carry on an intelligent discussion with someone who believes lies and denies the flaws in their choice for President. Is this a traditional way to handle politics & nobody told me or something?
I hear people say "Obama scares me". It's like a mantra & 'most' can't tell you facts to back it up. They can tell you portions of anonymous emails that have since been refuted & proven to be lies, but no facts. I tell you, whoever came up with email forwarding packed full of inaccuracies deserves the Gotcha Award of the year. Many folks bought the whole enchilada. THAT scares me. Obama does not.
Another problem with voting for a candidate based on one issue is missing the candidate's flaws on other issues.
I have friends and family that are literally blind to McCain's flaws, won't even admit they exist & repeat the same inaccuracies I receive in anonymous emails as if they are facts.
I don't have a problem with admitting Obama's flaws, but you can't carry on an intelligent discussion with someone who believes lies and denies the flaws in their choice for President. Is this a traditional way to handle politics & nobody told me or something?
I hear people say "Obama scares me". It's like a mantra & 'most' can't tell you facts to back it up. They can tell you portions of anonymous emails that have since been refuted & proven to be lies, but no facts. I tell you, whoever came up with email forwarding packed full of inaccuracies deserves the Gotcha Award of the year. Many folks bought the whole enchilada. THAT scares me. Obama does not.
quote:Originally posted by filterz:
And when McCain says he's not George Bush, just remember this:
What does that have to do with him saying hes not Bush.Nowhere in that peiced together stupid video does he say"I am Georg Bush."By your post you are campaigning for Obama,and one would assume that is your choice on Nov. 4.Does that make you Obama as well.Point being you seldom agree with who you vote for on every issue.
Backwoods, Watch the video again! You are slow if you didn't get it.
quote:Backwoods, Watch the video again! You are slow if you didn't get it.
Slow my butt.If you want to make a point with it ,show the whole interview,not just peiced together soundbites. And my point still stands.Give it up!
I didn't get back in time to watch the debate last night, but I did catch a lot of the commentary afterwards.
The thing I noticed was that it really did nothing to sway anyone either way. Those who were already going to vote Obama said he won, vice versa with McCain. So basically the debates were a waste of time. The majority of people are still unhappy with their choices, with the exception of those who vote party lines regardless.
The thing I noticed was that it really did nothing to sway anyone either way. Those who were already going to vote Obama said he won, vice versa with McCain. So basically the debates were a waste of time. The majority of people are still unhappy with their choices, with the exception of those who vote party lines regardless.
That was a great debate! All the more reason I'm with Obama!! McCain just kept
grinning like a Possum and taking shots at Obama. Watching MSNBC after the debate proved
Mcain's plan will increase the deficit into the trillions!! His campaign was 73%
negative ads against Obama. Our guy talked about his plans while Old man McSame just
kept cutting Obama down.
grinning like a Possum and taking shots at Obama. Watching MSNBC after the debate proved
Mcain's plan will increase the deficit into the trillions!! His campaign was 73%
negative ads against Obama. Our guy talked about his plans while Old man McSame just
kept cutting Obama down.