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Somebody ought to tell the truth about the Bible. The preachers dare not, because they would be driven from their pulpits. Professors in colleges dare not, because they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not. They would be defeated. Editors dare not. They would lose subscribers. Merchants dare not, because they might lose customers. Men of fashion dare not, fearing that they would lose caste. Even clerks dare not, because they might be discharged. And so I thought I would do it myself.

There are many millions of people who believe the Bible to be the inspired word of God -- millions who think that this book is staff and guide, counselor and consoler; that it fills the present with peace and the future with hope -- millions who believe that it is the fountain of law, Justice and mercy, and that to its wise and benign teachings the world is indebted for its liberty, wealth and civilization -- millions who imagine that this book is a revelation from the wisdom and love of God to the brain and heart of man -- millions who regard this book as a torch that conquers the darkness of death, and pours its radiance on another world -- a world without a tear.

They forget its ignorance and savagery, its hatred of liberty, its religious persecution; they remember heaven, but they forget the dungeon of eternal pain. They forget that it imprisons the brain and corrupts the heart. They forget that it is the enemy of intellectual freedom. Liberty is my religion. Liberty of hand and brain -- of thought and labor, liberty is a word hated by kings -- loathed by popes. It is a word that shatters thrones and altars -- that leaves the crowned without subjects, and the outstretched hand of superstition without alms. Liberty is the blossom and fruit of justice -- the perfume of mercy. Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy.


Of course, I know, but, without Googling it, take a guess.
--For at least 100,000 years, humans have pondered the stars. Do orangutans ponder them now?--
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Hi Deep,

My initial inclination was to say Richard Dawkins or Christopher Hitchens. But, then I reconsidered when I realized that neither is intelligent enough to have done it, even though they do write books which suck money out of the pockets of gullible atheists and agnostics.

And, I know you could not have written it.

So, I went searching and, guess what? Surprise! Surprise! Surprise! You found it on an atheist web site. Who woulda thunk it?

Deep, no matter how you try to discredit the Bible -- you do not have what it takes to do the job. Sort of reminds me of the flea climbing the leg of an elephant with rape on it mind.

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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reminds me of the flea climbing the leg of an elephant with rape on it mind.

See what I mean, folks? Is this the type of thing a REAL Christian would say, or is it more like something a servant of Satan would say?

Well, O,

Since you are more familiar with the latter team you mentioned -- why don't you tell us?

You telling us what a REAL Christian would or would not say -- is rather like a 300 pound man telling us he is a race horse jockey. Picture that!

And, actually, I agree with you: comparing Deep's mentality to God's is an impossible thing to do. Therefore, the closest I could come is the flea and the elephant. Do you have a better comparison?

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

Bill

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From the enlightened thinking and talk of liberty and such I originally figured it was an American from the 18th century, around the time of the American Revolution, such as Thomas Paine or Jefferson but the writing is more modern, so I'm guessing in the early to mid 19th century but before the 20th. I have no idea who it is though. I've never seen this one before and can't conjure up a name at all. Though I venture to guess it's not a proper author like Thoreau or Emerson, etc. but a politician or political commentator or some such.

...off to Google I go. It's killing me!
Paw-paw, I have asked Bill Gray on several occasions to deny that he is working for Satan, but he can't do it. Satan doesn't mind him pretending to be Christian. On the contrary, he WANTS B.G. to pretend so he can try to mislead others. But Satan will not let him deny Satan. If he could, he would have done so already.

I know that our athiest friends don't believe in Satan either, but if they were ever inclined even the slightest bit to believe in the Evil One, B.G. would be the thing that convinced them.
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...I know that our athiest friends don't believe in Satan either, but if they were ever inclined even the slightest bit to believe in the Evil One, B.G. would be the thing that convinced them.


True about the lack of belief in Satan or Santa but Bill Gray is certainly not the embodiment of evil - think about it, what you're saying can have serious implications, I'll leave it at that. But just because he riles everyone up by arguing like an infant doesn't make him evil or one of Satan's elfs. He's just one of the threatened hoards of dime-a-dozen fundamentalists, no more no less. Just particularly skilled at getting under everyone's skin. He make not make atheists believe in Satan but he may very well be forcing Christians off the cliff of fundamentalism and for that, we should all be grateful.
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Robert Ingersoll. Required reading where I went to school.

Am I right?


We have a winna!
Congrats, mostly for going to a good school! Big Grin


Thank you! Yes, it was a good school. Zero percent drop out rate...and it was a public school. Imagine that. I even stayed in the area until my children were grown so that they could attend the same schools. I should write thank you notes to my teachers this evening.
You may be surprised, BJBG. I attended school in a tiny town in NE Iowa, class of '73. My husband, a Coffee High graduate, is astonished (and jealous) of the education we received there. By 7th grade we were expected to read literature that he wasn't exposed to until college. And today that same school system provides free laptops to every single student, grade K thru 12. Good place to raise kids!

So what's behind the curtain? Go ahead and tell me. I'm sitting down.
No, Ottumwa is in the southeast part of the state. We were closer to Chicago than we were to Des Moines. I'm from a small town on the Mississippi, north of Dubuque. Quaint, but quite liberal. I wouldn't trade my youth for anything. Iowa, where the wild hemp grows...

Um, a goat? I'll pass. I may be from Iowa, but I'm not a farm girl. I'll take the 20 cents. Who knew that remembering Ingersoll would pay off someday.
Someone once dumped a male pygmy goat off on me. Disgusting little creature with a stench I'll never forget. He urinated all over his beard and tried to hump anything that moved, as well as a few things that didn't move. When I'm absolutely positive that the statute of limitations is up I'll tell you what I did with him.
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Sue,

BBQ'd goat is not to be underestimated.

Is it still true that male goats cannot be neutered?

I have a story along that line.

Best wishes.


Sadly, I do know the answer to that. Yes, they can, as long as it's done early enough. Around 4 months, I believe. It's done in the same manner that they do hogs, with a big ol' rubber band. If I remember correctly, once they're neutered they're called a wether, or something like that.

I'd love to hear your story.
I can refuse nothing to an Iowa babe.

My friend, we'll call her Merrill, bought a hobby farm with her (ex) husband. It had no animals.

Some people dropped by with animals that needed homes and they foolishly took them. Dogs, cats, ducks, you name it.

And they took a goat. She had a son, and after a couple years, the son, having nowhere else to go, became inappropriately attached to his mother. So, she chose neutering.

Merrill took the goat to the vet at the appointed time. She asked when to come back, but the vet said "Stick around, I'll need your help".

It turns out that goats were, at the time, incapable of anesthesia. Perhaps they still are, I don't know. Anyway, she had to hold the mature, male goat while the vet did what had to be done.

It pains me to imagine.

Merrill never had the confidence of that goat again. They could never be friends, and were not.
Ouch!

I've got news for you. They don't use anesthesia on hogs either. Someone holds the hog and they use a tool which resembles (to me, anyway) an over-sized eyelash curler with a big rubber band attached. A quick snap and they let the hog run off, and wait for the um, things, to just fall off. Cruel, I know. I wonder if PETA knows about this.

I only witnessed it once, but that was enough. I do know how to shear a sheep though, but the sheep welcome that. It's not painful. They just consider it a makeover.

How did we get from Ingersoll to this?

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