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Whatever, Pup. You're wrong, but so be it.

 

On the subject of people wishing you a "blessed day" and so forth: When mother's day comes around and people wish me a happy one, I don't bother explaining that I never had kids. I take their good wishes as a sign that they are nice people and let it go at that. When Christmas comes around, I don't take offence if someone wishes me a happy Hannuka (sp.). I figure if they're celebrating a holiday and wish me a happy one, they are nice people.

 

So I don't see what gets you so upset that someone would wish you a blessed day. Remember, to a Christian, that is the nicest wish one could recieve. Rather than taking offence, just realize that you ARE in the minority, and that people don't realize you are atheist. They are no different than an American wishing a foreign tourist (who hasn't spoken yet, so they don't realize they aren't American yet), a happy Fourth of July. What's the big deal?

Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:

We're not obsessed with god. That would be ridiculous.

 

We are interested in the people who accept superstition.  You have to admit it's an interesting topic.

 

Furthermore, we are interested in defending ourselves from the theocratic tendencies of the religious in the political realm.  Theocracy is abundantly anti-American at its core.  Still, diligence is required.

 

DF


Wrong nsns you are obsessed with God. This is a testable fact. The evidence is overwhelming.

You guys are constantly on the religious forum assembling mountains of evidence that argues for your obsession as being factual.

There is not one shred of evidence to the contrari.

In face of the evidence you are guilty as charged.

 

Your obsession has actually advanced to a stage of compulsive disorder.

Obsessive–compulsive disorder (OCD) is an anxiety disorder characterized by intrusive thoughts that produce uneasiness, apprehension, fear, or worry, by repetitive behaviors aimed at reducing the associated anxiety, or by a combination of such obsessions and compulsions.WIKI

 

The acts of those who have OCD may appear paranoid and potentially psychotic.[ AS IS SEEN ON THE FORUM HERE AS PIXIES AND CATS] 

However, OCD sufferers generally recognize their obsessions and compulsions as irrational, and may become further distressed by this realization.WIKI

 

OCD is the fourth most common mental disorder, and is diagnosed nearly as often as asthma and diabetes mellitus.[1] In the United States, one in 50 adults suffers from OCD.[2] Obsessive–compulsive disorder affects children and adolescents as well as adults. Roughly one third to one half of adults with OCD report a childhood onset of the disorder, suggesting the continuum of anxiety disorders across the life span.[3] The phrase "obsessive–compulsive" has become part of the English lexicon, and is often used in an informal or caricatured manner to describe someone who is excessively meticulous, perfectionistic, absorbed, or otherwise fixated.[4] Although these signs are present in OCD, a person who exhibits them does not necessarily have OCD, and may instead have obsessive–compulsive personality disorder (OCPD), an autism spectrum disorder, or no clinical condition. Multiple psychological and biological factors may be involved in causing obsessive–compulsive syndromes. Standardized rating scales such as Yale–Brown Obsessive Compulsive Scale can be used to assess the severity of OCD symptoms.[5]WIKI

 

 

You know, Pup, the more I think about it, I just have to say this (about me "pushing my religion on to others").

 

I am a guitar fanatic. I have lots of different guitars of different brands, and I belong to a lot of internet guitar forums. One that I DON'T belong to is the Taylor forum, because I happen to not like Taylors. I think they are WAY overpriced, and I don't like the sound of them.

 

Now, I COULD go over to the Taylor forum and tell THEM that I think they have wasted their money on these overpriced, under quality guitars. If I did, I bet all of the members would jump on me, tell me I was full of it, and of course, defend their brand of choice. They would probably also ask me why I chose to go over there to post anyway, seeing I don't like their guitars. They would think I was just there to stir up trouble and insult them, and their guitars.

 

I wouldn't say that meant they were trying to PUSH their guitars on me. They would just be defending themselves and their guitars, and if it ticked them off that I even posted, it would be understandable.

 

So, here we have a religion forum, and we have people who don't LIKE our religion coming over here, telling us we're stupid and our God is no good. And you consider me defending my beliefs as pushing them on to others?!!? I think your perception is a little bit off.

Originally Posted by b50m:

Yes, to me-"Atheist" IS a badge of honor.  I'm rather proud of the fact that I can think for myself.

 

Since you are so miserable here in the bibley belt, RP, surely you could find a way to hitch a ride back to New York or where ever.  It's only been two years. Since you have a CDL, any body would take you. There are ads every day in the paper. Companies love to have a single driver. Driving  a bus seems so beneath you.

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Ah. Therein lies the rub.  I'm not a single driver.  My wife drives where I work, also.

 

She's got 24 years in, I've got 25.

 

The only reason I tend to get miserable here is because the same kinda con artist that takes your money with a collection plate also conned me and my wife into giving up our old lives and moving over 1000 miles only to find out we couldn't make a good enough living doing what weve basically done all our lives.  When I first got here I figured southerners had lying, cheating and stealing elevated to an art form-but having lived here for awhile, I see that that's not the case and that there are still good people out there regardless of what I hear on the scanner every night. Many of those good people seem to be right here on this forum as well.

That's a good thing.  It goes a long way toward restoring my faith in people.

 

Other than having gotten royally screwed on the job front-Alabama is a beautiful place.  Just like I remembered it from when I was a kid. I just gotta weed through a whole lot more "automatons-for-Jesus" nowadays to get to the good parts.

 

 

Why on earth would driving a bus be beneath me?  Besides sitting astride a bike doing a goodly clip-sitting up in that cab with that diesel pulling me down the road is one of the times I feel the most alive.

 

ONO- I never once called you stupid-or anyone else here for that matter....well mebbe fireman...And even then I didn't actually come right out and call him stupid. I believe I merely stated that I thought he needed to be watered twice a week. They ARE out there, ya know.

I wouldnt have even gone that far if he hadn't dammt me to hell out of the blue in the first place.

 

 

 

 

 What baffles me and interests me is that so many people who are obviously educated and capable of using their own heads are so willing to let some slick-talking preacher use their heads for them while he's reaching in their pockets.

 

 

 

Like I keep saying-The GZs pretty much always draw first blood.  It's their last resort and they resort to it freququently because it appears that they run outta talent pretty quickly.

 

'Magic' just doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

 

Discussion of religion rarely if ever came up IRL until I moved here. Now its pretty regular because EVERYBODY'S a GZ and EVERYBODY'S always talking about it/pushing it/competing over it, etc.

 

 

 

If people never tried to get me to come to their dang church or asked me about what church I attended when they were interviewing me for a job-nobody'd ever know I was a heathen and prolly nobody'd even care.

 

Here, EVERYBODY'S up my nose about religion. All the time, and it's actually probably a good thing that I like to discuss it-or my lack of it and actually have enough communication skills to do so because otherwise there'd be a lotta GZs walking around with knuckle dents in their noggins right before I ended up in jail.  I'm not usually that kinda guy...

 

So see?  Talkin' about it ain't necessarily a bad thing-for me anyways. 'Specially here on this forum, which is the only one of it's kind I've ever seen. Only in the bibley belt is there religion forums-everywhere else nobody really gives a s#*!.

 

 

I'm gonna go get a shirt made that just says "heathen" on it so mebbe then I won't hafta explain/discuss my atheism with GZs so much.

 

Day in and day out it wears a body down after awhile and starts to make ma knuckles itch.

 

Last edited by Road Puppy
Originally Posted by Bestworking:

Once more, the "we" are atheists I know and have discussed things with. I don't know you, you don't know me and so that means you weren't included in the "we". I will say it when I post about things I know "we" (atheists I know and myself) feel the same about. Do you run around telling everyone that says "we" not to include you? You must stay busy.

Are you always this silly?

Sorry, DF, obsession is the atheist's middle name.

 

You are not interested in superstition, because it would be silly to study something that you find SILLY!

My dear b, I am not obsessed with god.  The question of god has been answered.  We made him up.

I admit to being interested in superstition, in an anthropological sort of way.  So why do you believe in god?


DF


I guess we (yes ellie, I said we) could ask what is the christians obsession with god. Why the constant talk, the constant church going, the constant trying to convert people? You say that "you get it" that atheists hate god, religion and christians, not true but you keep saying it even though I don't really think you believe that. Well we "get it " that you believe in and worship a god. So why is there a religious forum? I mean we get it, you believe. Why do you have to keep repeating it?

 

Why am I here? Many reasons. I saw an article on the TD page one time that interested me. I signed up and posted a few comments about that article. Then for months I didn't post. I came back and started reading the forums and wandered to the religious forum. I made a few posts, was not disrespectful to anyone, and would have most likely left after a while. But two people that I had never "talked" to posted very hateful things to me because I was an atheist. I was like, oh **** no, they aren't getting away with that. It progressed from there and here we are.

 

 Bill seems to think that the only people that should read this forum either believe in a god, or be hankering to believe in one and that this is his own private church. I don't think that's true. I still doubt there are thousands, or even hundreds, reading this forum. I believe some people come here that are having doubts about their belief or have come to know they don't believe anymore. They need to know they aren't alone and there is nothing wrong with atheism.

Christians go to atheist forums all the time to preach to and ridicule atheists. I'm not saying all here do that but I'd bet good money bill and buffalo do and most likely a few more.

 

Early on in a discussion with bill I posted that I didn't think intelligence had a thing to do with believing. I said I knew many intelligent people that believe in a god, many intelligent people that don't, some stupid people that believe and some stupid people that don't. But after being falsely accused over and over of saying christians were stupid I just gave up and let them have at it. They tell you what you said even if you didn't say it, and they tell you how you live your life when they don't have a clue about it.

Originally Posted by Bestworking:

I guess we (yes ellie, I said we) could ask what is the christians obsession with god. Why the constant talk, the constant church going, the constant trying to convert people? You say that "you get it" that atheists hate god, religion and christians, not true but you keep saying it even though I don't really think you believe that. Well we "get it " that you believe in and worship a god. So why is there a religious forum? I mean we get it, you believe. Why do you have to keep repeating it?

 

Why am I here? Many reasons. I saw an article on the TD page one time that interested me. I signed up and posted a few comments about that article. Then for months I didn't post. I came back and started reading the forums and wandered to the religious forum. I made a few posts, was not disrespectful to anyone, and would have most likely left after a while. But two people that I had never "talked" to posted very hateful things to me because I was an atheist. I was like, oh **** no, they aren't getting away with that. It progressed from there and here we are.

 

 Bill seems to think that the only people that should read this forum either believe in a god, or be hankering to believe in one and that this is his own private church. I don't think that's true. I still doubt there are thousands, or even hundreds, reading this forum. I believe some people come here that are having doubts about their belief or have come to know they don't believe anymore. They need to know they aren't alone and there is nothing wrong with atheism.

Christians go to atheist forums all the time to preach to and ridicule atheists. I'm not saying all here do that but I'd bet good money bill and buffalo do and most likely a few more.

 

Early on in a discussion with bill I posted that I didn't think intelligence had a thing to do with believing. I said I knew many intelligent people that believe in a god, many intelligent people that don't, some stupid people that believe and some stupid people that don't. But after being falsely accused over and over of saying christians were stupid I just gave up and let them have at it. They tell you what you said even if you didn't say it, and they tell you how you live your life when they don't have a clue about it.

  Cry me a river "poor persecuted one".  Still no links on those "Atheist Forums" being assaulted by those big bad Christians?

More "hot air"?

Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:

We humans who had evolved to the point of asking questions for which the answers were elusive.

The easy answer is "God did it".

 

DF

If 'we' humans evolved past God, then why do most people of the world believe in some higher elusive omnipotent being? If evolution or intelligence negated God=Spirit, then shouldn't he=they disappear from the collective consciousness of the world?

 

(Note to Best/Jenn=yes, you have said intelligence was not a factor=thank you)

First of all ellie, nothing I posted was in any way crying or claiming persecution. Secondly, where did you ever get the idea I had to provide you with links to atheist sites? Surely someone of your immense talent can look for yourself if you're interested. Get all your personas to work on it and you should come up with all you'd ever need, or you could get buffalo to give you a few, he visits them. Something tells me you know plenty of them already.

 

B-thanks

Originally Posted by Glass Onion:

Am I the only person with atheist friends who don't sit around and talk about atheism?  

NO ONION, I have atheist friends that never talk about atheism and function very well in society.

 

Except for a handful here on this forum the majority are nutcases......and bm50 is their leader.

Originally Posted by okuok:
Originally Posted by Glass Onion:

Am I the only person with atheist friends who don't sit around and talk about atheism?  

NO ONION, I have atheist friends that never talk about atheism and function very well in society.

 

Except for a handful here on this forum the majority are nutcases......and bm50 is their leader.

The same is true of Christians......and Church of Christers and Southern Baptists are their leaders. 

Originally Posted by ReleaseTheElephant:

  Cry me a river "poor persecuted one".  Still no links on those "Atheist Forums" being assaulted by those big bad Christians?

More "hot air"?

 

 

The most recent and appalling example of being verbally assaulted for being atheist was discussed here...

https://www.tnvalleytalks.com/d...t/229423007802962466

 

It was not an atheist forum, but I really don't see how that has to do with anything.

 

Originally Posted by DarkAngel:
Originally Posted by ReleaseTheElephant:

  Cry me a river "poor persecuted one".  Still no links on those "Atheist Forums" being assaulted by those big bad Christians?

More "hot air"?

 

 

The most recent and appalling example of being verbally assaulted for being atheist was discussed here...

https://www.tnvalleytalks.com/d...t/229423007802962466

 

It was not an atheist forum, but I really don't see how that has to do with anything.

 

 And this is persecution?  Get a life...

 

Well death threats and threats of torture are most definitely persecution, so yes.....

 

Elephant I forget that you are one of those kind of trolls. Sometimes you have a comment that actually adds to the discussion, but most of the time it is only one liner smart azz remarks that make you look like a jerk.  I apologize for thinking you were wanting to have a serious discussion. It won't happen again.

Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Atheists aren't fascinated by God. We are fascinated by stupid people.
 
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Now now.  Overuse of the "stupid" thing, sir!

I admit to having a certain fascination with people who believe weird things be it Bigfoot, space aliens, leprechauns and Gods.  People who believe this stuff aren't necessarily stupid (though some are) just deluded.   

So, my fascination is with why people believe the things they do in spite of overwhelming contrary evidence.  To understand that is to understand a bit of myself since I was one of those "stupid" people not too long ago.

This has been answered so many times. YOU can't understand how we can have FAITH, in spite and even because, of the lack of "evidence", and WE can't understand how you can limit your spirituality by believing only in concrete evidence. You feel we are deluded. We feel you are missing out on the greatest thing life has to offer.

 

None of you are going to change your minds because of our insistance that FAITH is more important than evidence. None of us are going to change our minds because of your insistance that evidence is the only thing that matters in this question.

 

You have your opinion, we have ours. Let's move on to a different dead horse, shall we?

Originally Posted by O No!:

YOU can't understand how we can have FAITH, in spite and even because, of the lack of "evidence", and WE can't understand how you can limit your spirituality by believing only in concrete evidence. You feel we are deluded. We feel you are missing out on the greatest thing life has to offer.

 

None of you are going to change your minds because of our insistance that FAITH is more important than evidence. None of us are going to change our minds because of your insistance that evidence is the only thing that matters in this question.

 

You have your opinion, we have ours. Let's move on to a different dead horse, shall we?

I agree faith is one of the greatest things life has to offer. Only difference between us is my faith isn't placed in a god.

 

 

Originally Posted by DarkAngel:

Well death threats and threats of torture are most definitely persecution, so yes.....

 

Elephant I forget that you are one of those kind of trolls. Sometimes you have a comment that actually adds to the discussion, but most of the time it is only one liner smart azz remarks that make you look like a jerk.  I apologize for thinking you were wanting to have a serious discussion. It won't happen again.

 

Really?  How about you put something of substance here, other than the same old kissing a** of every crude post made by your Idols of atheism? Huh?

This is all nothing but a circle jerk among you to see who can be the biggest a**.

Morals indeed.

Originally Posted by O No!:

This has been answered so many times. YOU can't understand how we can have FAITH, in spite and even because, of the lack of "evidence", and WE can't understand how you can limit your spirituality by believing only in concrete evidence. You feel we are deluded. We feel you are missing out on the greatest thing life has to offer.

 

None of you are going to change your minds because of our insistance that FAITH is more important than evidence. None of us are going to change our minds because of your insistance that evidence is the only thing that matters in this question.

 

You have your opinion, we have ours. Let's move on to a different dead horse, shall we?

 

 

But this is a forum to discuss religion.....what else should we be discussing here? I have never understood why atheist are not allowed to discuss religion (well discouraged, allowed is a strong word)? It is every where, all around us, and it is something that we all must deal with one way or another.

 

I too am very curious as to why many believe as they do. I would never approach a stranger and start questioning them about their personal beliefs, but this is a RELIGION FORUM the very place to do such things. I don't expect to change anyones mind about their beliefs. I think if you are in it deep then you probably never will, if you are questioning your belief then you will probably find the answers yourself. Otherwise I am just here to discuss the whys and hows....

Yes, this IS a place to discuss religion, but we keep going around in circles. There are a lot of other facets to religion besides the same five or so questions that keep being discussed. You could ask each of us to post about our most moving moment in regard to our faith. You could ask us how we were raised in regard to the Church. You could ask us How our faith colors our relationships to family or friends, or even strangers. You could ask us what is our favorite part of the church service and why.

 

If you want to ask the HARD questions, you could ask us if WE could walk away from loved ones if Christ said, "Come with me right now." You could ask us if we would be willing to give up everything we own and go do humanitarian work in a remote country if He asked. You could ask how we raise our children in regard to the church. I mean, there are a lot of topics that haven't been covered here, and it would be so much more interesting and productive if we discussed something different for a change.

 

Just a suggestion.

Originally Posted by O No!:

 

If you want to ask the HARD questions, you could ask us if WE could walk away from loved ones if Christ said, "Come with me right now." You could ask us if we would be willing to give up everything we own and go do humanitarian work in a remote country if He asked. You could ask how we raise our children in regard to the church. I mean, there are a lot of topics that haven't been covered here, and it would be so much more interesting and productive if we discussed something different for a change.

 

Just a suggestion.

 

 

Some of those things I am just not interested in. Sorry, but the services are to me rituals and nothing more. I have seen some of those questions ask before. Especially the one about giving all your money away to the poor as I have read in the bible any follower of Jesus is supposed to be willing to do. It has come up a few times when Bill and others have argued against welfare for the poor. I remember having that conversation with Peter (don't know what happened to that guy) and he told me I didn't understand the bible enough to discuss the matter intelligently. I have seen the question about how children are raised with religion too. It is usually met with anger when many atheist feel that telling a small child that there is a place like hell they would go to if they sinned was a horrible thing to say and scare a child with.  We are once again told we don't understand what we are talking about and it turns into a conversation of how we are just being mean and hateful.

 

It begins to feel like no matter what the topic is we are not allowed to question it or have an opposing view on it, or else we are accused of being disrespectful or mean.

 

To me the important subject regarding religion is its invasiveness into ALL our lives.

 

Originally Posted by b50m:
Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:

We humans who had evolved to the point of asking questions for which the answers were elusive.

The easy answer is "God did it".

 

DF

If 'we' humans evolved past God, then why do most people of the world believe in some higher elusive omnipotent being? If evolution or intelligence negated God=Spirit, then shouldn't he=they disappear from the collective consciousness of the world?

 

(Note to Best/Jenn=yes, you have said intelligence was not a factor=thank you)

Because most people in the world are uneducated and/or scared.  The gods are disappearing from the more enlightened countries, including ours.  Atheism is a quickly-growing sentiment regarding the gods.

It's just a matter of an idea whose time has come.  It has come.  There is hope for us, as a species.

 

 

 

DF

Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
Originally Posted by b50m:
Originally Posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:

We humans who had evolved to the point of asking questions for which the answers were elusive.

The easy answer is "God did it".

 

DF

If 'we' humans evolved past God, then why do most people of the world believe in some higher elusive omnipotent being? If evolution or intelligence negated God=Spirit, then shouldn't he=they disappear from the collective consciousness of the world?

 

(Note to Best/Jenn=yes, you have said intelligence was not a factor=thank you)

Because most people in the world are uneducated and/or scared.  The gods are disappearing from the more enlightened countries, including ours.  Atheism is a quickly-growing sentiment regarding the gods.

It's just a matter of an idea whose time has come.  It has come.  There is hope for us, as a species.

 

 

 

DF

You've posted this wishful thinking BS...how many times now?

"The gods are disappearing from the more enlightened countries, including ours".?

"It has come"?

 

Look around...get real. You're going to be stuck with religion being around for the rest of your life.

There will NEVER...and I repeat NEVER be a world without some type of "worship" of the gods going on. 


Honestly, if you would admit it, it is DELUSIONAL to think otherwise. How long will you keep living the "delusion" ?

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