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Originally posted by 210 N. Seminary - 1182:
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Originally posted by Brooks1984:
Jesus was a wine bibber and I know he would travel that trail.

WWJD?


I'm not so sure.
Yes Jesus did turn Water to Wine to prove a point, but I'm wondering did the wine have any alcholic content as we know today.


Yes, it did have alcoholic content. That is the only way it would keep. The Bible makes reference to "aged wine" which, of course would mean fermented. This is age old propaganda used by the temperance lobby 100 years ago. There are many references to prove this fact. Two notable examples would be Noah getting drunk and Lots daughters getting him drunk enough to have sex with them.

Jesus was not "proving a point". He was feeding a hord of people who were following him. They did not have enough food - he performed a very practical miracle and fed his friends.
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:
Just FYI, you metabolize alcohol at a rate that reduces your BAC by an average of 0.015% per hour. The amount of increase of BAC (for me) of 6 ounces of wine (20% alcohol, est) over one hour will increase my BAC by 0.02%.

Try it out for yourself...

http://www.1800duilaws.com/forms/bac.asp


Okay--I accepted your invitation. Instead of plugging in my weight, I used 150 pounds, with 42 ounces consumed (which is the total amount available according to the news article), assuming 12 percent alcohol content (more conservative than the 15-20 percent used in the table) and stretched it out over an improbable 8 hours. The result I obtained was a blood alcohol content of 0.132, which would land me in jail in about every state in the union. My results--using the system you recommended--were as follows: "In MOST and possibly ALL states you would be considered intoxicated and arrested for DUI if driving."

Will the promoters of the wine trail find designated drivers for the segment of wine tasters who max out on their opportunity?

Sort of ironic that your source of information is a web site that is designed to appeal to folks who are having trouble with DUI problems.


It's funny how people quickly shoot down an idea. I moved to Tennessee last year. and I LOVE IT!

I have a wonderful family member who works within the wine industry and me and my husband get in free to almost all events concerning wine and especially the arts.

The past 3 events I have been to offer "Safe Rides Home", usually sponsored by local car dealers who pay workers to drive company cars and take people home. One even offered a "Party Van", which was a big bus that offered a party on board on the way home. And a cab is never more than $40 for us round trip. (Very worth it and A DUI would be at least $2000). We are responsible with our drinking and wine drinkers are statistically more educated, responsible people. I never see anyone at wine tastings "falling down drunk". And I many times see couples with one person drinking water. Me and my husband tag team if it is on a weeknight. One is allowed to drink and one drives home. Weekends we get cabs or research if the event will have safe rides home.

The whole point is people are going to drink. And if you keep banning it in Alabama, they are just going to come to our breweries and wineries in Tennessee and in other neighboring states.

I used to work at a retail store in Colbert County before I left for TN. Every Saturday night I watched tons people come in and buy two extra cases of beer or 5 extra wine bottles for Sunday.

I always laugh so hard that Franklin County is still dry. And that Sunday sales off-premise are illegal. No wonder it is the crappiest place to live. Franklin Co. loses all their tax dollars to the Shoals. And the Shoals isn't too far ahead from lack of Sunday sales and tourism attractions like wineries or even upscale restaurants. (My favorite restaurant in TN is a brewery called 'Bosco's', where they brew their beer on premise and only sell their brand. The food is to DIE for and they always have events for live jazz or holidays) I would always see neighbors and old teachers and friends come into our store to stock up for the weekend.

You can't legislate morality because everyone has a different set of morals to begin with. It's like legislating food preference or choice of music (And believe me I would be the first to push for banning KENNY CHESNEY, newer country since it's not really country, Hannah Montana and that awful Fall Out Boy mess).

It's fine with me if you keep losing tax dollars, we enjoy them here in Tennessee.

And thanks for helping pay for college for Tennessee children with all the lottery tickets your neighbor buys!! We really appreciate it!

Toodles!
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I'll also note that the last three wine tastings I have been to, servers were instructed to pour 1 oz. pours. No more! Most poured just enough to get your tongue wet. A total bummer for some, but I appreciated it because I was not affected at all by the time I ate steak kabobs, grilled mushrooms, cheeses, fruits, and desserts.

Most have water in coolers available and most people know to pace themself and not to get smashed in the first place. The point is to TASTE!!!!!! TASTING=TASTE. It's not a keg party!

I'm also a huge fan of high alc. beers and craft beers, but I know when I need to stop and I always make sure I will have a safe ride home. I would never want to harm someone else, myself or my precious husband Smiler

Life is too fun not to try new things. We have just learned that sometimes we have to share the responsibility of safe driving when cabs aren't an option.


And for those who would break the law and drive drunk, JAIL EM! FINE EM! And improve your roads, schools, etc. Get them off the streets. You'll have more money in your budget and less lunatics on the streets.
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Originally posted by Brooks1984:
Jesus was a wine bibber and I know he would travel that trail.

WWJD?

WRONG!
Jesus clearly made wine, so He obviously found no problem in drinking it. But being a wine bibber implies over indulging. Jesus did not over indulge. Those who hated Jesus, which included many of the religious leaders of His day, accused Him of being a wine bibber. Are you now joining in with them and pointing an accusing finger at Him also?
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Originally posted by 210 N. Seminary - 1182:
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Originally posted by Brooks1984:
Jesus was a wine bibber and I know he would travel that trail.

WWJD?


I'm not so sure.
Yes Jesus did turn Water to Wine to prove a point, but I'm wondering did the wine have any alcholic content as we know today.

If it didn't, then what would be the point of Christ's enemies trying to destroy His character by calling Him a wine bibber?
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Originally posted by what4:
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Originally posted by Brooks1984:
Jesus was a wine bibber and I know he would travel that trail.

WWJD?

WRONG!
Jesus clearly made wine, so He obviously found no problem in drinking it. But being a wine bibber implies over indulging. Jesus did not over indulge. Those who hated Jesus, which included many of the religious leaders of His day, accused Him of being a wine bibber. Are you now joining in with them and pointing an accusing finger at Him also?


Neither totally accurate-

People SAID of Jesus he was a winebibber, we don't know for sure whether he was or not, but he obviously drank enough for the accusation.
Luke 7:33-34
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Originally posted by excelman:
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Originally posted by what4:
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Originally posted by Brooks1984:
Jesus was a wine bibber and I know he would travel that trail.

WWJD?

WRONG!
Jesus clearly made wine, so He obviously found no problem in drinking it. But being a wine bibber implies over indulging. Jesus did not over indulge. Those who hated Jesus, which included many of the religious leaders of His day, accused Him of being a wine bibber. Are you now joining in with them and pointing an accusing finger at Him also?


Neither totally accurate-

People SAID of Jesus he was a winebibber, we don't know for sure whether he was or not, but he obviously drank enough for the accusation.
Luke 7:33-34

No, it was obvious by the way He replied to this accusation that He was not a wine bibber. They also said He was the prince of the demons. They called Him a glutton. They called Him a liar for saying that He was the I AM who existed before time began. They mocked Him for saying that He was the Son of God. You can deny Him also, and you can join in the name calling if you choose. However, I find no fault in Him.
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Originally posted by what4:
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Originally posted by Taciturn:
No church of any kind is going to tell me if I can or cannot drink a glass of wine or any kind of drink. Wink

Hey tac, I hate to be a party pooper. But it looks like you may have had too much to drink already. Might wanat try some pepto bismol or something.


Ugh, how tacky.

Very Christian like of you.

*shakes head* Roll Eyes

~Amanda
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Originally posted by Top Down Beemer:
Manda - do you like a sweeter wine instead of dry? If so, there is a wine you MUST try. We ordered a case of it online, received it Monday, and have already gone through 3 bottles in 3 days. It's a 2005 white shiraz from southern Australia. It's called Thirsty Lizard White Shiraz. It is a little darker than a Rose' wine but goes down so smoothly. Because it's not a true red, you can serve it either chilled or room temp. It's great with different foods or just for sipping by itself. Try Googling it. Unfortunately, I know that there are restrictions for shipping wine to Alabama. We investigated that as we thought we might relocate back to the state and found that we would have to discontinue our Wine of the Month Club membership because they can't ship to good ole Alabama. Total bummer!!!


I do favor sweeter tasting wines over dry or bitter. Smiler

I wish I could try that one! You are right though about the Alabama ban on import. *shakes head*

~Amanda
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Originally posted by *~*Manda*~*:
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Originally posted by what4:
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Originally posted by Taciturn:
No church of any kind is going to tell me if I can or cannot drink a glass of wine or any kind of drink. Wink

Hey tac, I hate to be a party pooper. But it looks like you may have had too much to drink already. Might wanat try some pepto bismol or something.


Ugh, how tacky.

Very Christian like of you.

*shakes head* Roll Eyes

~Amanda

Amanda, I was referring to the puking cat. The picture didn't come up in my reply.
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Originally posted by Taciturn:
No church of any kind is going to tell me if I can or cannot drink a glass of wine or any kind of drink. Wink


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Originally posted by what4:
Hey tac, I hate to be a party pooper. But it looks like you may have had too much to drink already. Might wanat try some pepto bismol or something.


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Originally posted by *~*Manda*~*:
Ugh, how tacky.
Very Christian like of you.
*shakes head* Roll Eyes
~Amanda


Manda, what4 was joking, at least that's the way I took it.
I'm looking for the pepto right now. Big Grin
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Originally posted by Taciturn:
No church of any kind is going to tell me if I can or cannot drink a glass of wine or any kind of drink. Wink


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Originally posted by what4:
Hey tac, I hate to be a party pooper. But it looks like you may have had too much to drink already. Might wanat try some pepto bismol or something.


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Originally posted by *~*Manda*~*:
Ugh, how tacky.
Very Christian like of you.
*shakes head* Roll Eyes

~Amanda

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Originally posted by what4:
Amanda, I was referring to the puking cat. The picture didn't come up in my reply.


Thanks for clearing that up. That's the way I took it.

Here, kitty, kitty!! Razzer
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Originally posted by Taciturn:
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Originally posted by Taciturn:
No church of any kind is going to tell me if I can or cannot drink a glass of wine or any kind of drink. Wink


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Originally posted by what4:
Hey tac, I hate to be a party pooper. But it looks like you may have had too much to drink already. Might wanat try some pepto bismol or something.


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Originally posted by *~*Manda*~*:
Ugh, how tacky.
Very Christian like of you.
*shakes head* Roll Eyes

~Amanda

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Originally posted by what4:
Amanda, I was referring to the puking cat. The picture didn't come up in my reply.


Thanks for clearing that up. That's the way I took it.

Here, kitty, kitty!! Razzer


Tac I took it as a joke too. I was even going to offer you a wet towel to wipe your little chin with !! lol Wink Big Grin
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
The SBC seems to think we are unable to make decisions without their approval. I could care less what they think. Since they have lost 5 million members over the last few years, can you say "backlash"?


Quoting from a sage and seasoned gentleman above:

"I continue to be astounded by the lengths that seemingly rational people go to to justify continued use of mind-altering drugs and expansion of opportunities to consume them. The highest and best expressions of the human spirit are not generated under the influence of such substances. In fact, the predominant effects of imbibition are to decrease the quality of rational discourse, lower inhibitions and in generally encourage irresponsible and immature behavior. "
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
The SBC seems to think we are unable to make decisions without their approval. I could care less what they think. Since they have lost 5 million members over the last few years, can you say "backlash"?


Quoting from a sage and seasoned gentleman above:

"I continue to be astounded by the lengths that seemingly rational people go to to justify continued use of mind-altering drugs and expansion of opportunities to consume them. The highest and best expressions of the human spirit are not generated under the influence of such substances. In fact, the predominant effects of imbibition are to decrease the quality of rational discourse, lower inhibitions and in generally encourage irresponsible and immature behavior. "


I too, Beternu, am astounded.

I will surely go to heaven when I die because I have endured at least seven hells here on earth dealing with **** drunks and socialist drinkers.
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Originally posted by beternU:
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Originally posted by meanasasnake:
The SBC seems to think we are unable to make decisions without their approval. I could care less what they think. Since they have lost 5 million members over the last few years, can you say "backlash"?


Quoting from a sage and seasoned gentleman above:

"I continue to be astounded by the lengths that seemingly rational people go to to justify continued use of mind-altering drugs and expansion of opportunities to consume them. The highest and best expressions of the human spirit are not generated under the influence of such substances. In fact, the predominant effects of imbibition are to decrease the quality of rational discourse, lower inhibitions and in generally encourage irresponsible and immature behavior. "


Thankfully most of us have down time. We are not required to be rational, inhibited, perfectly responsible and mature at all times. What an incredibly pious, boring and self righteous little prig you are. Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Ronald Regan (and Nancy), many hundreds of CEOs, Picasso, Rembrant, Shelly, Keats, Vidal, Mailer, and thousands of others are/were drinkers (not drunks, but drinkers), yet still managed to lead productive and creative lives.
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Originally posted by Top Down Beemer:
Yet another fantastic idea that would bring much needed tourist dollars to the state of Alabama but the Southern Baptists want it squashed! Mad Yet another case of "if you don't like it then don't go" but don't prevent others from enjoying it! Thoughts anyone??? (I know I'm asking for it, but I can't seem to help myself Big Grin)

A Wine Trail in Alabama


I'm just now seeing this thread. I go to a SBC & this is one of the reasons I struggle with whether to stay or leave. I really do not think my church would agree to be involved in such actions, but when stuff like this happens, we are all grouped together. See the title of this thread for proof. No offense, TDBeemer - I'm not upset with you.

Things like this ruin the witness of every person going to a SBC. It's amazing to me that those who do not believe at times know the Bible better than those that do believe. They are all too aware that the Bible does NOT forbid alcohol consumption. So when a church forbids it, they see this as hypocritical & they are correct. It is.

It's adding to/taking away from God's Word to accomplish what man thinks should or shouldn't be, NOT what God thinks should or shouldn't be. Who exactly do you think you are when you do this? God? What do you think God will say to you about that? You will answer for that one I think.

Another problem with such error. You've just ruined any chance you had at ministering to those that need it because they won't step foot in your church. I can only hope other churches in the area voice their opposition to what the SB churches have done.

I do disagree that it's not their business. They are obviously citizens there which makes it very much their business. They have as much right as anyone else to voice their opinion.
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Originally posted by _Joy_:
mean, the only way it can be imposed on others is if the others agree with them or allow it. The other citizens there that are not in a SBC are just as capable of voicing their opinions and I hope they do.


Joy,

Even during prohibition people drank - lots. As it stands, we have made that determination.
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Originally posted by _Joy_:
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Originally posted by Top Down Beemer:
Yet another fantastic idea that would bring much needed tourist dollars to the state of Alabama but the Southern Baptists want it squashed! Mad Yet another case of "if you don't like it then don't go" but don't prevent others from enjoying it! Thoughts anyone??? (I know I'm asking for it, but I can't seem to help myself Big Grin)

A Wine Trail in Alabama


I'm just now seeing this thread. I go to a SBC & this is one of the reasons I struggle with whether to stay or leave. I really do not think my church would agree to be involved in such actions, but when stuff like this happens, we are all grouped together. See the title of this thread for proof. No offense, TDBeemer - I'm not upset with you.

Things like this ruin the witness of every person going to a SBC. It's amazing to me that those who do not believe at times know the Bible better than those that do believe. They are all too aware that the Bible does NOT forbid alcohol consumption. So when a church forbids it, they see this as hypocritical & they are correct. It is.

It's adding to/taking away from God's Word to accomplish what man thinks should or shouldn't be, NOT what God thinks should or shouldn't be. Who exactly do you think you are when you do this? God? What do you think God will say to you about that? You will answer for that one I think.

Another problem with such error. You've just ruined any chance you had at ministering to those that need it because they won't step foot in your church. I can only hope other churches in the area voice their opposition to what the SB churches have done.

I do disagree that it's not their business. They are obviously citizens there which makes it very much their business. They have as much right as anyone else to voice their opinion.


Joy,

If I were affiliated with an assemblage that didn’t condone drinking, and I wanted to drink with a good conscience, I would leave. Once you are free you can drink uninhibited. That’s the way it is done.
rramlimnn, I already do have a drink when I want one. I'd be shocked if someone in my church questioned me about it. If they did, however, I hope they are ready for a sermon. JK! - well, maybe not so much. Wink

I guess my problem is that I don't agree with parts of SBC doctrine, but then would I agree with all of any church's doctrine? I love the people in my church & it would hurt to leave, but am I condoning actions like what was done in Clanton by staying? It's not an easy choice.
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Originally posted by zippadeedoodah:
Maybe we should start a MYOB church, and don't offer advice to anyone who doesn't ask for it.


Perhaps if the church would stick to "offering advice" to its members and denominational followers. I do not attend a Baptist church, nor do I ask for their imput. They are within their rights to say what ever they want, I could care less.
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Originally posted by _Joy_:
rramlimnn, I already do have a drink when I want one. I'd be shocked if someone in my church questioned me about it. If they did, however, I hope they are ready for a sermon. JK! - well, maybe not so much. Wink

I guess my problem is that I don't agree with parts of SBC doctrine, but then would I agree with all of any church's doctrine? I love the people in my church & it would hurt to leave, but am I condoning actions like what was done in Clanton by staying? It's not an easy choice.


My entire family became Baptists in the late 70s. Now we have all left the denomination. I am Episcopalian, my parents Methodist, brother is Lutheran, sister is Catholic. I even have one cousin who meets in a metal building in Birmingham (they call it a "Bible Church").
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Originally posted by ShugaPush:
Maybe they think our souls are their business.


Of course they do. So do the Mormons. I really appreciate their great concern, but drinking has nothing whatsoever to do with our souls. Thats their rule - not everyone's. For them drinking is "vice". Wonder why they don't try and prevent smoking, over-eating (gluttony), impatience, laziness, secretiveness, shortsightedness, stinginess, unforgivness....the list is extensive.

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