quote:Originally posted by lynnblount:
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Don't forget the Crisco and a sheet of plastic!!
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Remind me to invite you to my basement sometime!
Remind me to invite you to my basement sometime!
Remind me to invite you to my basement sometime!
A former member of this forum and I once discussed the word wine. He commented the word used for the wine Noah drank to become drunk and the word used for Christ's creation were the same.
I looked this up, and it is true; however, Greek lexicographers state that the word oinos referred to any fruit of the vine, fermented or not. It does seem logical that the wedding guests could not have distinguished good wine from bad if they had been drinking fermented wine since the start of the feast.
I looked this up, and it is true; however, Greek lexicographers state that the word oinos referred to any fruit of the vine, fermented or not. It does seem logical that the wedding guests could not have distinguished good wine from bad if they had been drinking fermented wine since the start of the feast.
That would make sense except for the fact that the master of the banquet after tasting the wine, called the bridegroom aside and said "Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now." 
quote:Originally posted by _Joy_:
That would make sense except for the fact that the master of the banquet after tasting the wine, called the bridegroom aside and said "Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now."
Joy, that was exactly my point, but you expressed it better than I.
What a striking resemblance.
The disciples of today find refuge as the disciples who accused Jesus of such an absurd thing.
The disciples of today find refuge as the disciples who accused Jesus of such an absurd thing.
Amongst the seven deadly sins including pride, avarice, lust, anger, gluttony, envy, and sloth, I do not find drunkenness. The pilgrim's (the founder of yankeee culture, such as it is) and our own Virginian cavalier founders both included drunkenness as a subset of gluttony.
Taverns provided our forefathers meeting places during the struggle for independence. Washington was the largest distiller of whiskey in his day.
I've been on wine tasting trips all over the US and drunkenness was rarely seen. Perhaps, in Napa Valley, where the vineyards are cheek by jowl, it might be possible, but not on wine trails described here.
Taverns provided our forefathers meeting places during the struggle for independence. Washington was the largest distiller of whiskey in his day.
I've been on wine tasting trips all over the US and drunkenness was rarely seen. Perhaps, in Napa Valley, where the vineyards are cheek by jowl, it might be possible, but not on wine trails described here.
Yet another fantastic idea that would bring much needed tourist dollars to the state of Alabama but the Southern Baptists want it squashed!
I have never understood why religious right like the Southern Baptists, COC, and others who will fight to the very end on somthing like this only to smell it on them come sunday.
I have never understood why religious right like the Southern Baptists, COC, and others who will fight to the very end on somthing like this only to smell it on them come sunday.
quote:Originally posted by Howard Roark:
Amongst the seven deadly sins including pride, avarice, lust, anger, gluttony, envy, and sloth, I do not find drunkenness. The pilgrim's (the founder of yankeee culture, such as it is) and our own Virginian cavalier founders both included drunkenness as a subset of gluttony.
Taverns provided our forefathers meeting places during the struggle for independence. Washington was the largest distiller of whiskey in his day.
I've been on wine tasting trips all over the US and drunkenness was rarely seen. Perhaps, in Napa Valley, where the vineyards are cheek by jowl, it might be possible, but not on wine trails described here.
I've been to wine tastings in the Napa Valley. Awesome !
A lot of people around here have no good things to say about Ca, but those people sure don't care if you drink a glass of wine.
quote:Originally posted by JJPAUL:
Yet another fantastic idea that would bring much needed tourist dollars to the state of Alabama but the Southern Baptists want it squashed!
I have never understood why religious right like the Southern Baptists, COC, and others who will fight to the very end on somthing like this only to smell it on them come sunday.
JJPAUL - as I've said before, these people want to cherry pick the Bible and pull verses to suit their agenda. It's amazing to me that they take such a STRONG, ANTAGONISTIC stand against anyone even drinking one alcoholic beverage, which does NOT impair you, yet they completely IGNORE the damage done by cigarettes because THAT would step on way too many PIOUS toes!! I always thought it was the height of absurdity that my parents took such a hard stand against alcohol (I grew up CofC) yet my father was a pack-a-day smoker for most of my childhood. As he is now a lung cancer survivor with half of one lung gone, I can say with certainty that he would have been much better off to have had a beer now and again than the cancer sticks he lit up, practically one from the tip of another.
quote:Originally posted by meanasasnake:quote:Originally posted by beternU:quote:Originally posted by meanasasnake:
The SBC seems to think we are unable to make decisions without their approval. I could care less what they think. Since they have lost 5 million members over the last few years, can you say "backlash"?
Quoting from a sage and seasoned gentleman above:
"I continue to be astounded by the lengths that seemingly rational people go to to justify continued use of mind-altering drugs and expansion of opportunities to consume them. The highest and best expressions of the human spirit are not generated under the influence of such substances. In fact, the predominant effects of imbibition are to decrease the quality of rational discourse, lower inhibitions and in generally encourage irresponsible and immature behavior. "
Thankfully most of us have down time. We are not required to be rational, inhibited, perfectly responsible and mature at all times. What an incredibly pious, boring and self righteous little prig you are. Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Ronald Regan (and Nancy), many hundreds of CEOs, Picasso, Rembrant, Shelly, Keats, Vidal, Mailer, and thousands of others are/were drinkers (not drunks, but drinkers), yet still managed to lead productive and creative lives.
You could have beneficially omitted Norman Mailer from that list, since he DID have serious problems with over-indulgence. As to my allegedly being "an incredibly pious, boring and self righteous little prig...," well that is your opinion and you are welcome to it, but that does NOT change the fact that alcohol, for whatever else it is, is a mind-altering DRUG and THAT, ole son, is a scientifically-defensible statement. It might well be a LEGAL mind-altering drug, but it IS a mind-altering drug nonetheless. And I have been around plenty of persons under its influence, including persons short of being truly drunk, and have observed their behavior and those observations substantiate that the effect of their imbibition was to "decrease the quality of rational discourse, lower inhibitions and in generally encourage irresponsible and immature behavior." All those literary and other greats might well have been moderate drinkers and the products of their genius might well have been generated absent any harmful effects from the use of alcohol, but that does not negate in any way the premise I have stated above.
I have all too often been caught in social/business situations where others who were drinking incessantly urged me to drink with them, despite my repeatedly declining to do so. It became obvious to me why this was the case. Realizing that their own behavior under the influence was likely to become at best a bit giddy and at worst obnoxious, they were uncomfortable knowing that at least one stone cold sober witness was on hand to observe their behavior and possibly even report it to others. Their fond hope was that in accepting their invitiation to partake, I might become sufficiently loosened up as to either not notice their miscreant behavior or to commit some gaffe of my own, thus creating a mutually-protective understanding, viz., "I won't tell what you did if you won't tell what I did." This has happened to me many times and I know how to deal with it, but I remain convinced that the reason for it is as I have explained above. The happy drinkers were not happy with a cogent, self-controlled person in their midst who might "rat them out." As further information, I made it a practice never to report the silly-to-obnoxious behavior of associates under such circumstances, so some of these folks with whom I had a long-term association had no prior cause to fear such disclosure. But that never stopped them from insisting that I "have one" with them. I know many other non-drinkers who have had similar experience with the drinking crowd.
In response to your most recent and extremely long winded RANT beternU, and based upon your other posts in these forums, I'd say that the most likely reason the "drinking crowd" is encouraging you to "have one" with them is in the hopes that you will loosen up and quit bringing the mood down to your subterranean levels.
You should change your forum name to Little Black Cloud because you just LOVE to rain on everyone else's parade. I'll bet you are so uptight you couldn't shove a greased BB up your backside. If you ate coal, you'd probably poop out a diamond.
You should change your forum name to Little Black Cloud because you just LOVE to rain on everyone else's parade. I'll bet you are so uptight you couldn't shove a greased BB up your backside. If you ate coal, you'd probably poop out a diamond.
I personally don't think we need any more drinking in this state than we already have. Is this the way we want to promote our state???!!!
Hey Meanasasnake why do you think we have lost members? We are growing by leaps and bounds. A lot of folks are not cynical like you and ARE concerned about their eternal destination and that of their children. Lot to think about I believe.
Geez, will you people wake UP? Alabama needs HELP and this is an excellent and classy way to go about promoting it and luring people who have real MONEY to spend. People who are on gov't assistance aren't the kind who go on wine tasting trips. People with large disposable amounts of money DO! I would rather promote Alabama as a forward-thinking, 21st century state with a wine trail than to have the welcome signs at the state lines read:
"Welcome to Alabama - we're so backward and repressed, you'll want to leave as soon as you get here"
"Welcome to Alabama - we're so backward and repressed, you'll want to leave as soon as you get here"
When I'm with a bunch of people I don't want to drink with, for a variety of reasons, I make do with diet coke and don't make a big deal about not drinking alcohol. I can laugh, have a good time, and still be able to drive myself home.
When we would have our "stand-tos" in an earlier, less Brady-bunch military day, there would often be some junior officer who would make a point of saying that he didn't consume alcohol for some idiotic reason like "my body is a temple and I don't want it defiled" or something equally moronic. The general consensus was that we should beat the little weiner to death and hide his body for being such an officious little ball of fecal matter. We also believed he was probably homosexual. Eventually, a few of them came around and turned relatively human.
I'm old enough to drink responsibly, and from time to time I enjoy having my mind altered. I'll sit on my terrace and drink single-malt scotch and smoke cigars simply because I want to. You try to stop me from doing that, and you'll find out just how stubborn I can be. I also from time to time work to get my wife blasted to alter HER mind. It's always fun.
Don't drink if you don't want to, but don't be so superior about it. Coming across like some sort of self-righteous prig about alcohol consumption won't gain you friends.
When we would have our "stand-tos" in an earlier, less Brady-bunch military day, there would often be some junior officer who would make a point of saying that he didn't consume alcohol for some idiotic reason like "my body is a temple and I don't want it defiled" or something equally moronic. The general consensus was that we should beat the little weiner to death and hide his body for being such an officious little ball of fecal matter. We also believed he was probably homosexual. Eventually, a few of them came around and turned relatively human.
I'm old enough to drink responsibly, and from time to time I enjoy having my mind altered. I'll sit on my terrace and drink single-malt scotch and smoke cigars simply because I want to. You try to stop me from doing that, and you'll find out just how stubborn I can be. I also from time to time work to get my wife blasted to alter HER mind. It's always fun.
Don't drink if you don't want to, but don't be so superior about it. Coming across like some sort of self-righteous prig about alcohol consumption won't gain you friends.
He did not drink and was homosexual? Shocking! How did he get into the military? He sounds perfectly awful!