Why Should Someone be Banned?

Geez.  Why would anyone comment that those avatars were like that anyway?  Why can't people just discuss things without insulting each other?

 

I need that head banging on wall picture from another thread for this.  I have seen many, many posts in this forum that would have gotten people banned most other places, but those people are still here, but there is always talk of someone being banned....I don't get it.

Semi, I feel you have opened my eyes as far as Bill Gray is concerned. I'll admit I never read his post anymore because he's a baptist(holier than thou) preacher and he feels he is always right about everything and everyone else is stupid and that turns me off completely. If I wanted to be preached to and chastised and criticized I'd go to church on Sunday. I now realize just how vindictive he really is.

The sad part is that he does it all under the guise of Christianity.

I have never understood how some are banned and others are passed over. I will relate a true story that happened on the forum a few years ago. There was a male poster who was almost universally liked. He was conservative politically, a Methodist I believe, and extremely intelligent. He was also well rounded and had a huge trove of knowledge of everything from physics to pop culture.

 

Often people use abbreviations with which I'm not familiar; I usually look them up online. At some point a poster used the term "MILF." A woman who at the time was a prolific poster questioned what the acronym meant. The male forum member that I spoke of sent the woman a PM telling her what the initials stood for--after all, she had asked.

 

The woman then reported the well-liked man, and he was banned. She said that was not her intention, but nevertheless the man was not readmitted at that time. The woman later resigned from the forum under questionable circumstances.

My thoughts on it are this: I have NO idea what went on in pm with bill and wooly but as I posted earlier I would think pm meant PRIVATE message. Private to me would and should mean just that, private. I wonder if wooly knew or understood the pms could be used against him IF he posted something he shouldn't have there. I say IF because once again we have no idea what went on in pm. All I saw was bill's post to wooly to check his pms.

 

Semi is absolutely right, bill has made posts that should have gotten him banned IF he'd been reported. He's made posts to me and other people that very well could have been "ban worthy" if we'd reported him and been persistent like I'm sure he is when he's getting someone banned. BUT, I also don't think bill does it all by himself in most cases.

 

I think bill and some others "bait and try to goad" others into things, and then scan every post that person makes so that when there is the slightest thing they can use, things they'd completely ignore if it was their pals posting it, they start reporting or even emailing. I think they do it in multiple ids too. And lastly, as I said, if the mods were to get nitpicky, if we were all reporting and harping to them, anyone on these forums could be considered "ban worthy" at one time or another.

 

 

How sad.  And to think it is the religion forum, too...lol.

I no longer read any of Bill Gray's comments because it makes me sad to think that he is a Baptist...I am a Baptist!  He says very hurtful things and seems to do his very best to be critical/hurtful.  My grandfather was a Baptist preacher and he would have NEVER tried to hurt people like this.  I'm embarrased that he is a Baptist and I'm embarrased that he is from Sheffield!  He uses this column in a very bad way and does not come across as a Christian but as a spiteful/angry man.  Sorry, Bill....I went to school with you and I'm embarrassed!

When I had an issue with another member here, I was told that if an Admin stepped in, it would mean we would both be banned.  That's both a good and a bad thing.  It's good that the Admin is completely objective.  It's bad because we lose people with whom we might personally enjoy chatting.

 

The reason the place turned into a zoo is that TVT is not monitored by mods, who would see when rules are broken and take care of the problem.  The Admin will not read all posts to see who is the biggest troublemaker.  As far as I can tell, he/she looks at the thread or post reported and makes the call based on those alone.  I doubt that's going to change since it's an un-moderated forum.  Also, if threads or posts are not reported, the Admin will not know they exist because they are not acting as a moderator, do not read the forums.

 

JMHO

I wanted to discuss two things. One is the Sheffield postings. Bill Gray posted about dances at Sheffield High ending with "Stars Fell on Ala." I don't know how I'd find that at the library. Some of his other posts were similar. They were his experiences and I enjoyed reading them. I usually skip over his religion posts.

 

The other thing is something that I caught in this post. Semi, you say

 

"There’s been twice recently, both on the same day, that Bill made a comment to Wooley that I felt was report/ban worthy. I, in fact, reported one of them."

But in another post you said two days ago

"I have only reported someone ONE time & it's been so long ago, I honestly can't remember why or who it was."

Sorry, one more thing, who's the "fireman"?

As a matter of fact, there are a large number of posts on the TD forums that violate forum rules but that are not reported.. Read the rules for yourself and compare them with what you encounter daily, and you will see that many, many times a lot of those posting on here are clearly in violation of the rules.

 

I am in favor of intense debate and it is my personal belief that the forums should be pretty free-wheeling.  I can see where extremes such as the use of profane and obscene language, the disclosure of personal information about another forum member, and the posting of material that could meet the legal definition of libel ought to be prohibited.  Beyond that, "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."

But in another post you said two days ago

"I have only reported someone ONE time & it's been so long ago, I honestly can't remember why or who it was."

Sorry, one more thing, who's the "fireman"?
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Not to "speak" for semi but what she means is she just reported it. The post she made about reporting someone one time long ago was completely honest.

Shuga, "the fireman" is a poster that Best thinks is also Bill Gray. I doubt it, but he does usually agree with Bill. Some more advice, if you ever find anything odd, make a screen shot of it before it disappears.

Once more, bill posts personal information in here all the time. I have even ask him if he should be posting other's names like he does. That is never a good practice and they might not want him doing that. As with the child, he should have never put his name on this forum. He could have explained the situation with him without posting the child's name. 

Stalking, repeat profanity, revealing personal data of other posters and such, I can see banning. But, there should be a warning first.

 

I quipped about Woolybugger's forum name (should sheep worry?) which, is a double entendre playing on old English terms for rather nasty behavior, including the charge, "Extreme worrying of sheep."

 

The lefties scream bloody murder when I use the Guy Fawkes mask as an avatar or the glowing skull of an online comic book (called me a NASI).  Actually, the character is a good guy who reanimated himself to help his daughter. Likes to smoke cigars, but being a skeleton, has problems inhaling.

 

I've commented on Bestworking, Firenze and Semiannualchicks avatars that they were cute. Not looking for a date, or anything. Just a friendly comment.   

I remember bill asking invictus about one of his avatars. Maybe invictus can explain which it was, but bill had to comment on it and ask invictus if there was "anything he wanted to tell us", "anything he had to tell us", "anything he was trying to tell us" one of the comments he likes to use when he's insinutating something about a poster, because of the avatar. Like I said, invic would have to explain because I forget which avatar it was but I do remember bill's commenting on it.

so this Bill Gray character is a baptist preacher. Where does he preach at? Anyone know? I don't post much for the sake of not arguing with someone looking to pick a fight, but I'd love to attend his pulpit and let his fellow parishioners know of his ideologies and good christian behavior towards others. At least to see him squirm if nothing else.

 

As for wooly, his avatars have caught my attention several times which is good for his cause. It got his posts read. But I don't see that he should be banned for the pure hatred and disagreement of the likes of one Mr. Bill Gray.

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The first bolded part I understand because it seems no matter what is said it turns into a p i s s ing contest and usually gets ugly and personal.  It is too bad.

 

The second part I agree with as well.  

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Bill is a wanna be preacher. He lives in California but claims to know a lot about this area because he was "raised" here 70-80 years ago. He claims to have a huge following of people that "love" him, due to his "gift" of writing that he says God gave him.

He uses this forum & the people here in his writings. (of course, those people don't know about the "Christian" attitude he uses with us). He wants those people to see how he "endures" the lot of us & the troubled walk he has trying to tell us uneducated rednecks abut God.

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When I posted I had only reported someone ONE time, I said it was a long time ago.

If you'll notice the dates in my post, Bill made those remarks on Sept. 30. And I said, "in fact, I reported one of them".

As of now, I have made two reports.

The Fireman is Bill's other ID.

I've commented on Bestworking, Firenze and Semiannualchicks avatars that they were cute. Not looking for a date, or anything. Just a friendly comment.

 

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I didn't take it wrong. I think she's pretty too. I have a couple of figurines of fairies/pixies.

Since the TVT will ban who they want, when they want: without warning, logic, or a pattern: I doubt this will make a difference.

The easiest way to get banned used to be to insult the Times Daily. Still might work.

 

I have never reported a person, I have reported two posts in the past that involved divulging real names.

 

 

Thanks for telling me about the fireman. I hadn't noticed him. Best, years ago I started a topic about Bill. I'm not his cheerleader by any means, but I don't want to see someone railroaded.

 

Semi, that date is wrong, you said it on October 4th you had reported only one person. Then on Oct. 6th you said you had reported Bill. The October 4th post was on another topic. I'll see if I can find it. I wouldn't be so nitpicky, but I'm concerned Bill, like him or not, is being set up. Live and let live.

Bill is not being "set up". He made those posts and at the time we all chided him about them. So run look all you want. How would he be getting "railroaded"? It's like I said, even bill could be banned IF people reported some of his posts.

I made a mistake. It was October 5th at 10:59 you said you'd only reported one person a long time ago. Then this post you say you reported Bill is dated 20 hours ago, so that would be roughly Oct. 7th at 1:30 a.m. My math is so bad but something like 38 hours apart? Not four or five days. Just wanted to prove I don't have alzheimer's yet.

 

I don't care who reports him, just don't lie about it. I don't care if you report him 20 times a day. Just don't think I'm so old I can't do the math.

Here's the "math". She reported him AFTER that post. Got it?

Why would someone lie about posts or reporting anyway?  This is a forum, so why bother to get people banned by lying?  I do seriously wish we had an ignore option available, but isn't it easy to make a mistake about when you report someone?  I am lucky I remember my kids names (and I don't) most days, much less something like that...lol.

 

Once again I seem to be a bit lost.

I wonder what would happen if I reported myself?  

My question is HOW anyone would lie about a post?

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You, my friend, have a troll! A troll from California whom has nothing better to do than create multiple account names on forums and entice it's users who take the bait that he's fed them. Although I highly doubt he's from California, so let's play along that he is. He really has way too much time on his heavenly hands and it's really sad that a man of God would abuse his precious time on a forum antagonizing it's users from across the country. His futile blessing here could be used in a much more constructive manner and therefore is a pure waste of the little time that he has left. Now that's a shame.

 

I'm not sure if this forum has a way to block certain users, but I do believe he'd go away if he stopped getting a rise out of the patrons of this forum. 

now what would be the fun in that though?

dissolve, here's his blog...http://billdory-christian-ministries.blogspot.com/

 

His fb page says sou. Cal. also. I guess he could be lying as some people do, but I doubt it.

Too bad there are no comments allowed from what I saw...lol.

 

 

Okay, one more time. Wooly was banned on Sept. 30th? Right? So Bill commented on Sept. 30 or before right? So it wasn't after Oct. 5th that semi reported him. Just wanted to clear that up. She just didn't remember it had been so long? Yeah. Sorry, Shuga to steal your topic, but I just noticed it and yes I think it's odd.

 

And, semi, I don't care if you report Bill.

Originally Posted by ShugaPush:

I made a mistake. It was October 5th at 10:59 you said you'd only reported one person a long time ago. Then this post you say you reported Bill is dated 20 hours ago, so that would be roughly Oct. 7th at 1:30 a.m. My math is so bad but something like 38 hours apart? Not four or five days. Just wanted to prove I don't have alzheimer's yet.

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Originally Posted by Infomercial:

Okay, one more time. Wooly was banned on Sept. 30th? Right? So Bill commented on Sept. 30 or before right? So it wasn't after Oct. 5th that semi reported him. Just wanted to clear that up. She just didn't remember it had been so long? Yeah. Sorry, Shuga to steal your topic, but I just noticed it and yes I think it's odd. And, semi, I don't care if you report Bill.

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Ok, I’ll bite & try to explain it one more time so listen up, please.

 

On October 5 in another topic I posted in reply to Bill: “I have only reported someone ONE time & it's been so long ago, I honestly can't remember why or who it was”.  If you notice, I said, it's been so long ago, I honestly can't remember why or who it was”. My mind is not so bad that I can’t remember what I did within a few days time. The first time I reported anyone was not long after I joined this forum which was almost 3 years ago. That I do remember.

 

On Oct 6^th, ONE DAY LATER, I posted: "There’s been twice recently, both on the same day, that Bill made a comment to Wooley that I felt was report/ban worthy. I, in fact, reported one of them".

I reported Bill right before I started this topic, which was what gave me the idea for the topic in the first place. That was my second time to report anyone.  I did not suggest in my report that Bill be banned, only that those post he made be deleted & perhaps a warning before he suggest or hints again that someone on this forum is a Pedophile.

Hopefully, this will clear the time-line up. If not, I don't care. Maybe someone else can try explaining it to you both.

 

ShugaPush, I didn't see anyone mention Alzheimer's but you.

 

And Infomercial, my comment that I had reported Bill was for Bill. How many times has Bill said he had or was going to report someone? Have you bothered to mention to him that you don’t care?

 

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Railroaded? Being set up? Would you mind telling me how I'm doing these things to him? Bill gets all upset if someone indicates the least thing he thinks is out of line & reports that person.

How am I any different if I am offended by his comments hinting that a member of this forum is a Pedophile, not once but twice? You think I'm being nitpicky?

Being upset because Bill is as good as accusing someone of being a Pedophile is not being nitpicky. Innocent children & babies are being killed, raped, & abused by Pedophiles everyday & it's not a joking matter.

I've never seen you suggest that Bill was trying to railroad or set someone up.

^5 chick! I like your style already. Couldn't agree with ya more.

 

 

disolve, you made your first post five hrs ago and you already want someone banned? Quick judge of character?

 

 

You don't post much? Guess not. This is your first post. Just think, been registered three years and only now has Bill made you mad enough to post.

 

Sorry, disolve, 14 hours ago.

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Far from it 'Infomercial'. Just because I don't post often doesn't mean I'm dumb to the forums nor haven't been keeping up in one way or another. I *NEVER* said i wanted anyone banned. Just commented that someone might have got the action completed. Some of you guys really do let your imaginations run wild on here and transform simple posts into overinflated ego boosts that they think they say something that they don't. Quick judge of character....nah, but only if you say so. <bows down to the holier than thou>

heh.  Holy #&*%!   Im still here!

 

"Children Of The Corn."

 

LOL.....Some of ya take yerselves WAY too daggone seriously.

 

Good to see ol' BeeG is still winnin' hearts and minds.....

 

FWIW,

Bill is from California. Easy to check. He has never made another screen name, he likes to be himself. I never agree with him but have never found him to lie about anything. He does rub people the wrong way, but everyone does when they are zealous on a topic.

 

The only reason for banning someone should be harassment and threats.

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Unless you know Bill on a personal level, how do you know he wouldn't lie? And since you don't know me, how would you know that I would lie? Is it because he claims to be a Christian & I'm not?

 

I agree with your reason for banning someone.

I didn't say you did lie, I said after being on the forums for a lot of years, I have never seen Bill lie. It has nothing to do with religion.

 

I know I have been accused of things I didn't do because a third party set me up. Now that made me and another person both seem like we were lying when we both were telling the truth even though we assumed the other lied.

 

As for the TVT, I doubt they actually listen to anything we say.

I've seen bill lie. Many times. What do you call a lie? He lied about me a few times by stating I did something I most certainly did not do, he lied about obama just a few threads back. Not only has he lied but his "insinuations" are as much as lies although he likes to think he's so clever that he's "sneaking that one in".

I know he can stretch a scripture and he loves to aggravate atheists, but as far as something to do with his family or with the TD site, I have not seen a lie from him. As I said above, what seems like a lie to one may be twisted by a third party. Why would Bill  try to kick Semi off, he loves to have an audience too much. As he said, he did not report DF for the cursing, I think one of the groups who didn't like DF then did.

 

I don't know what he accused you off, I'm just skimming the forums lately. If Semi has proof, she can go to the TVT.

 

I think all of it should have been in private, including the wooly threads. Saying 'I have a dirty picture of your wife' was really stupid of him. Bill has posted pics of him and his wife a few times before, so I think we would all know what they look like.

 

Forums have anonymity for a good reason, it should stay that way.

 Saying 'I have a dirty picture of your wife'

 

 

Where did he say he had a dirty picture of bill's wife? And again, insinuating something about a person, or lying outright about them is not "aggravating". BTW B, bill doesn't aggravate anyone. He does attack, such as he's done to skippy ever since the first day I saw him, constantly belittling his religion, but attacking is just that, an attack, not an aggravation.

It was in the thread taken down. If i remember, Wooly was yelling (all caps) saying someone had sent him a picture of Bill's wife with a dirty caption under it or something like that. Can't remember exactly.

 

Oh I know Bill calls the Mormons a cult, (So does betternu/contendah), Catholics a cult, JW a cult, New Age a cult, etc......

 

And I'm going to Hell. So what? I don't believe the old guy, he's passionate about his religion and he comes across like a buzz saw.

 

Atheists have called me a bad mom, delusional, believing in fairies, irrational, uneducated, backwards, uncaring, brainwashed, etc....

 

And I don't believe them either.

 

It's just a bunch of words on a computer screen that every one forgets the next day.

 

As DF would say, Feh.

b50m, I read that and can't remember either but he said someone sent it to him and said it was Bill's wife. I don't agree with most anything Bill teaches, but I don't think he lies. I would definitely like to know why anyone thinks he has some inside contacts at the Times Daily. I can't imagine why anyone would send a picture of Bill's wife to Dwight in Cherokee. Bill thinks he can eventually convert the atheists so I don't know why he would try to get semi banned. She said she had confidential information. But is she does she should know that Bill doesn't have any real contacts at the paper. It seems like it would work both ways.

It was in the thread taken down. If i remember, Wooly was yelling (all caps) saying someone had sent him a picture of Bill's wife with a dirty caption under it or something like that. Can't remember exactly.

 

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I remember that post about the picture. He said it was a "not nice" picture and on and on. I don't remember the "nasty" part. And "sugapush" bill definately has lied about me. Bill has no desire to convert the atheists. He is playing preacher and all he wants to do is belittle and attack atheists and anyone else that doesn't believe the way he does. He can insinuate or say anything he wants about others but let anyone ask him a question and he calls it an attack. And once more, semi is under no obligation to tell you or anyone else any of her business.

B-I found the post from wooly to bill:

 

quote:

Originally Posted by WoolyBugger:

bILL, i HAVE a picture for you but I dont want to put it here on the public forum, please start a private dialog with me and I will send it to you. If it is who I think it is , you may want to contact the site and demand they drop it or sue them. Then again it might not be your wife.

 

BILL! I AM SERIOUS ABOUT THE PICTURE< I WAS TOLD IT WAS YOUR WIFE AND IT HAS A CAPTION WRITTEN ON IT> THE CAPTION IS NOT NICE AT ALL> I AM NOT SAYING ANYTHING BAD ABOUT YOUR WIFE>IF IT WAS MY WIFE I WOULD WANT TO KNOW ABOUT IT SO I COULD TAKE STEPS TO HAVE IT REMOVED> DO A DIOLOG< I WILL PROVE I AM NOT LYING< I WILL NOT TELL YOU WHO SENT IT> YOU WILL WANT TO CONTACT THE SIGHT IF IT IS YOUR WIFE> I DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR WIFE LOOKS LIKE. AND I DONT KNOW IF IT IS HER BUT I WAS TOLD IT WAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

NOW, BEFORE YOU GET ME KICKED OUT BECAUSE YOU MISSUNDERSTOOD MY OTHER POST TO YOU, I ASK YOU TO FORWARD THIS ONE TO THE MODS TOO.

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b, I like you, enjoy reading your post & some of them make me laugh, in a feel good way.

Bill himself, several months ago, made the comment that if I didn't behave myself he would have to report me to the mods. He made it sound like a joke but I don't think it was. I've tried to find it but it must be in some of the topics that were deleted when the new format started. Word came to me from a strong source that Bill had recently reported me & I trust this source to know that their info is correct.

I don't care who believes me. I know the truth & so does Bill.

You say if I have proof, I can go to the TVT. If you're talking about the post I reported of Bill accusing Wooley of being a Pedophile, the proof was in the post.

If you're talking about him trying to get me banned, the proof is already there, though I don't know what good that would do. Threatening to get someone banned is not against TD forum rules.

 

Bill does love his audience but he does not like his Bible knowledge being questioned again & again. I've given him scripture over & over, as have others, that's blows his Once Saved, Always Saved theory right out of the window. Those scriptures or questions related to the scripture causes him to run the other way, he will not answer. Bill doesn't like it because I have told him I do not believe he is a Christian. He can tell any of us here we're going to Hell, but no one is supposed to give it back to him.

Bill will take someones words & twist them to be something entirely different. He's done it to several of us many times. Is that not the same as telling a lie about someone? I've shown him proof of words he twisted, but then he runs away & won't answer or makes a comment about "all the children playing in the sandbox".

 

I think I recently read where Bill did say he reported DF one time, for using the F word in a post he made to him. I'll see if I can find it.

Semi,

If you have a source you trust, then that's fine. I don't remember Bill telling you to behave, now that sounds more like a buffalo to me. Bill twists things, but in his mind, he is not twisting them.  All of us have gone round and round. If Bill believes his version, then he is not lying. I don't think he wants any one kicked off, but he might.

 

As for the DF thing, no, Bill did not report it. He reported Gofish.

 

Now, I'm fighting a flu bug, so I will leave it up to you and Best. You have it covered.

 

Later.

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Sorry to hear that. Hope you feel better soon.

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Sorry to hear that. Hope you feel better soon.


Ditto that b. Use your hand sanitizer and take garlic tabs daily. I haven't had a cold or the flu in almost 8 years and I have contact with the public on a daily basis. I must be doing something right. Get well soon.

Sorry, b. Hope you feel better soon. Off topic, but UNA hosts their free clinic the first week in November. I always get my flu shot there. You have to have three "procedures," so I usually have my blood sugar and cholesterol checked as well. There should be something in the paper to announce the dates.

DF didn't actually use the "F word." He used a statement that swapped first letters, as in saying yamn dankees. The forum was heavily moderated at that time, so I'm not sure if someone actually reported him or not.

Hay.....watch them yamn dankees, ya chippin flooch....

 

I have lot of yamn dankee friends, but they sure do talk funny...

Bada Bing.  LOL! 

 

Fuhgeddaboddit.

 

 

...or rumb dednecks...rum deadnecks?...*snicker*

 

A lie is a lie, but there is a difference in 'he lies' and 'what he says is not true'.  If Bill believes what he is saying or insinuating is true, it is not a lie to Bill.  If I believe what he is saying is false, then to me, it is not true.  For me to call it a lie or say Bill lies is to assume that Bill knows what he is saying is not true.  To know that, I would have to be able to read Bill's mind.  He's human and has probably fudged on the truth before...but then, that's most likely true of all of us. 

 

As far as I know, the only name he's ever had is Bill.  We can guess sometimes when someone is very similar, but we don't know unless we have access to Admin controls for TVT...might not be able to prove it even with that, if anybody actually cared enough to try. 

 

For instance, semi, you have quite a bit in common with a member who used to post here under the name Taciturn, but I certainly did not 'know' you were her.  When it came up one time, I am 99% sure that you said that was not the case & that was that.  I know you as semi, beginning with you (semi) joining TVT/TDF to now. 

 

I let the whole whose who thing go...decided my response to a post is going to be the same regardless of who I am talking to...so it makes no difference what user name that person is currently using.  JMHO

Multiple ids are stupid. The only reasons for them is to either attack someone under one name while "keeping up appearances" in another, or so that they and their pals can say, "see, so and so agrees with me that you______________".  Bill has lied about me. Because he does it in a way he thinks is sneaky doesn't matter one bit to me. I have never used more than one id, but he accused me of having another because of the number of posts made in the name I was using at the time. When I pointed out to him that even if I had another id all the posts made would not be connected with just one, and that when you "did the math" he, bill gray, had made way more posts in the time he'd been here as opposed to mine. (Old format when you could figure those things) What did he say after that? There was no "I'm sorry, you're right about that". He let it drop and hoped it would be forgotten for the time being and he could slide it back in again later. Confront bill on something he says, he goes quiet about it. Then later he will make the same false claim, confront him again, he goes quiet again. That is his standard MO.

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Joy, if I took something you said, twisted it, turned it completely around than the way you said it, & posted it on this forum as something Joy said, have I lied?

Bill does that, not just to me but to others too. When showing Bill what was originally said, & the way he twisted it, he will not answer why he did it or apologize.

 

I’ve never understood the fascination, or why anyone would have a problem with someone coming back with another ID. Who does it hurt? You are closely similar in your post with another person here too, but why would anyone care?

Jenn & I have a lot of thoughts on the same issues, does that mean I’m also Jenn? Of course not.

 

You have 2 friends on this forum that have been rude to me, especially one of them, in their remarks that I was Taciturn. No coming right out & asking, just snide hateful remarks, that I believe was only meant to hurt or put me down. When I answered your friends snide remarks as to if I was or wasn’t the former Taciturn, she refused to answer my question of how it was hurting her.

I don’t understand why or how another ID would affect someone else.

You're right on in that it should make no difference what user name that person is currently using.

 

 

 

How do you tell is someone has been banned?

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Click on a person's ID. That will carry you to their status. On the top right it will say "Last time signed in". Next to that is a star, click on that star & it will tell you if that ID is active or banned.

        How do you tell is someone has been banned?


DA, you can also just click on the little man that is on the right side of anyone's screen name. This will bring up a little window that shows that information.

I can't say that I've ever seen Bill Gray lie on here but then I don't follow his posts regularly so I really wouldn't know if he did I guess. I honestly don't think he has another ID on here either because I think he realizes that would pretty much ruin his credibility. While I do think Bill can come off as being arrogant and a know it all I do believe he means no harm. Go and talk to any Baptist preacher anywhere in the real world and they will tell you the same things he does. He just happens to be on the internet.

Again, this is just my honest opinion. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Well I guess you either don't read my posts or you think I'm lying. He has lied about me, and he even started a thread in which he lied about obama. If you've seen anything I've posted on the politics forum you know I am not in any way an obama supporter, and like I told bill, obama does enough to disagree with without lying about him.  I have been around preachers and other christians and the majority DO NOT talk like bill. There are others out there like bill but they are few and far between. So you can't say any baptist preacher is like bill. Most are quite the opposite. Bill is more like the hardcore, radical, christians in name only, westboro bunch. If he doesn't like something he uses religion as his excuse to discriminate against it. I've seen enough of him to know he does indeed "mean harm" to non-believers and people who believe differently than him. And I'd like to know what unobtanium did to get banned.

I didn't mean to imply that you are lying Jennifer. Like I said I don't follow Bill's posts so it is entirely possible he did. I just said I haven't witnessed it personally.

As for the Baptist preachers of the world, I can only speak of the ones here locally that I have encountered in my lifetime. I don't really see any difference in the things he appears to believe and the things that they appear to believe. Maybe my experiences are limited because it's been many years ago since I was in a church or even talked or socialized with a preacher. I have no desire to do either. As I think most of you know religion is a huge turnoff for me. That is just me though.

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I don't see a little man.

Right next to the name. It looks like a gingerbread man to me. ( )

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I've seen Bill lie before & when you show him the proof of that lie, he won't answer to it.

Any preacher, not just the Baptist, will quote scripture & tell you what they believe it to mean. I haven't come across any that is as hateful & pushy with it as Bill is.

All the preachers I've come across have love/compassion/kindness mixed in with their messages.  They want to draw you near God and/or their church, not make you run away. It's all about how a person comes across & the delivery of the message.

 

Bill may not mean any harm, he just doesn't care, but he does insist on being correct. There's no room for anything else.

I think Bill's other ID is The Fireman. He doesn't bring him out very often except when he needs a boost.

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Oh, ok. Mine isn't a little man, it's a star.

And I'd like to know what unobtanium did to get banned.

When did that happen?

Unobtanium In Your Head

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A week or so ago. Someone reported one of his post made to Bill and he got banned. I have no idea if it was Bill or not, but with his hatred for Unobtanium and the fact that the post was directed at him, I would vote that Bill did it.

If you blow it up Semi, you can see it's a little man.

I don't know what he could have said that he hasn't already said.  Oh well, as I stated, no rhyme or reason.

The only reason I could see for reporting someone is if they made personal threats against another user or tried to expose their real name and negatively impact their re****tion/work. Otherwise cursing, name calling, thumbing your nose at someone in a picture etc...is easily ignored. Why try and censor people? Are there those that come here that are so sheltered and out of touch with the big bad world that a curse word or two actually hurts them?

 

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He used some colorful language while admonishing Bill for saying that Contendah was an atheist, just because Contendah had a different opinion on some scripture.

Must have been very colorful. Since this filter on this thing bleeps out all the good words, I would like to know how he did it.

 

 

You have posted this often, "I've seen Bill lie before & when you show him the proof of that lie, he won't answer to it" -- but, when asked for proof -- you are silent.   If you have proof -- show us.

 

Then, you tell me, "but he does insist on being correct."

 

I believe that you will find that I often write that the BIBLE is correct -- not Bill Gray.  I firmly believe when "God says it, I believe it!"   But, since you do not believe God nor His Bible -- to you that is Bill Gray declaring it to be true.  No, my Friend, when I quote the Bible -- the Bible is God declaring it to be true.

 

And, you falsely tell people, " I think Bill's other ID is The Fireman."

 

There is one reason that cannot be true.  Romans 1:16, "For I am not ashamed of the Gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek."

 

Since I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ -- it would be an insult to His name for me to post under false or multiple names when sharing His Gospel.  Therefore, I can say in all honesty, before my Lord Jesus Christ -- I have NEVER used any posting name except Bill Gray, my real name -- given to me when I was born in Tuscumbia, Alabama.

 

Even, when I first came on the TD Forums and the Mod told me I should not use my own name -- I told him that I had to do that -- for I am sharing God's Word.  And, in sharing God's Word I must be up front and honest.

 

To put your mind at ease -- there is only one Bill Gray.  No pseudonyms, no false or alternate names -- not even during the one week that Fish had me banned several years ago.

 

So, no, The Fireman is not me; nor is anyone else.  Although I do know the names of a few of the conservative Christians on the Religion Forum (several are on my Friends Ministry mail list -- and I would love to add anyone else who is interested -- just PM me); I do not know the identity of Fireman nor any other Christians who post.  

 

I will say this -- I wish more conservative Christians would break one habit -- that of being too passive -- and begin to post on the Religion Forum.   That is the one complaint I have long had with conservative Christians -- their reluctance to speak up and defend our faith in public.   To those who do, I offer a big "Atta boy!" or "Atta girl!" for your efforts in sharing the Gospel with others -- and for your efforts in refuting false and cult teachings.

 

Chick I pray this clears the air on these issues -- and, I sincerely pray that you and I can be Friends.  Do you really have any reason we cannot be Friends?

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

I didn't know Uno was banned. I thought he was out skiing and thumbing his nose at the po' folks. That's where you insert your smiley face! I must have missed what he said.

 

Hey, semi, who does Joy remind you of? You don't have to answer, but I've truly never thought she reminded me of anyone else, although I've had some accuse me of being her. She's much more tactful! Not to mention 12 years younger.

 

As for Bill, yes, I think he really believes the things he says--like about Snopes being wrong on Obama. Pulease!

And, you falsely tell people, " I think Bill's other ID is The Fireman."

 

 

 

How is that false if it is what she thinks? I think that too.

Bill, I see you posted while I was typing. I don't think using a screen name is being ashamed. I think it would have kept Wooly from doing what he did. If Wooly was really concerned, he would  have contacted you in private. His actions may not have proved he's evil, but it did prove him to be childish. I can debate anyone on here without bringing their family into it.

   And I'd like to know what unobtanium did to get banned.




When did that happen?






I didn't realize he was banned. I had however noticed he hadn't been around for a little while.

 

What you choose to believe -- and the truth -- are often separated by a very wide chasm.  I say it is false for two reasons:  (1) Because I have no other posting names, and (2) Even if I did -- there is NO WAY either you or Chick could know this to be true.

 

But, once again, to set your mind at peace -- "For I am not ashamed of the Gospel, for it is the power of salvation to EVERYONE who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek [another way of saying Gentiles, which includes you and me]"  (Romans 1:16). 

 

For this reason, I cannot use a pseudonym while sharing the Gospel.  For others it may not bother them.  But, for me -- it would bother me very much if I hid behind a pseudonym while sharing the Gospel of my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.   He did not hide while hanging on the cross for me.  Why should I hide while sharing His Gospel with the world?   Doesn't make sense to me.  Therefore, you are stuck with only Bill Gray -- the man who loves the Gospel to much to hide from it.

 

Thank you for giving me this opportunity to explain this to our Forum Friends.

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

What you choose to believe -- and the truth -- are often separated by a very wide chasm. I say it is false for two reasons: (1) Because I have no other posting names, and (2) Even if I did -- there is NO WAY either you or Chick could know this to be true.

 

 

No bill, won't work. You said semi was falsely telling people what she thought. Then you turn to me. How about you bill, when you accused ME of having another id based on the number of posts under my name? How about after I said I had only one id and then explained to you that anyway the post counts of two ids wouldn't go under one name.  You didn't bother to correct your "mistake" did you. Chick didn't say true in her statement, I didn't say true. She said she thought it and I agreed.

 

Even, when I first came on the TD Forums and the Mod told me I should not use my own name -- I told him that I had to do that -- for I am sharing God's Word. And, in sharing God's Word I must be up front and honest.

 

 

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Yes they wisely told you not to use your real name but you foolishly thought you knew so much more than they. Now they and us get to watch you whine when someone mentions something that YOU yourself posted in here.

       

Unobtanium In Your Head

Weird. Looks like he figured out how to change his user title to "In Your Head". Cool. I'll have to see if I can figure out how to do that now. I've never seen a control for changing it anywhere in the control center.

BTW, I didn't talk to a mod when I registered and wonder how they'd know who is or isn't using a real name. 

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The part I italicized and bolded is interesting.  I have met very few "conservative Christians" (I mean this as what your definition is, apparently, and not Christians in general since I assume you mean those who feel as you do) who were too passive, or even passive at all.  The ones who "speak up and defend our faith in public", "share the Gospel with others" and make "efforts in refuting false and cult teachings" often steamroll others' beliefs and turn people off to religion.

 

I think the "one complaint" many people have is that some very vocal conservative Christians are so busy telling everyone else how to live and quoting Scripture, making fun of others' beliefs and belittling them while insisting their way is the only one, and making very passive-aggressive statements and then couching them in pretend friendliness, that they don't respect boundaries or hear anything anyone else says without the filter of, "I am right, you are wrong, and I must save you from Hell even if you already heard me and you said no thanks".    

 

Note please, that I am NOT saying all Christians do this.  I am just saying that being sincere in your agendas and honest in your friendships and life, honoring other people's beliefs, and treating people with respect might convince more people to follow Christianity than the behaviors I listed above.  Perhaps the other conservative Christians you refer to are living their faith and don't feel a need to intrude upon others' private beliefs, laugh at them, insinuate things about them, or aggressively prove every point wrong?  Just a thought and my own opinion.

Not sure but I think that "in your head" was listed as his location.

        Not sure but I think that "in your head" was listed as his location.





Ok duh! I see that now. LOL

 

Nor did I speak on the telephone with the TD Mod.  In the beginning (how's that for sneaking the Bible into the discussion?) -- when I first began to post -- I had a signature on all my post which shared a lot of information, including my e-mail address.   I wanted anyone who was interested to be able to contact me directly.   The Mod questions this and I removed a lot of the personal info -- but, insisted upon using my real name.  The Mod and I did this via PMs.

 

I did speak on the telephone with Elizabeth in the early days when she was helping me solve the problem of not being able to post a new discussion and not being able to edit a post.   I also talked with her the time that Fish got me banned for a week -- just for clarification.

 

By the way, the TD Mod also commented that he had never seen me be argumentative nor nasty with other members -- even when they became nasty with me.  I have tried to maintain that position -- although I will admit to occasionally getting a wee bit testy at times.

 

But, those are the "facts, and nothing but the facts, ma'am" (as Sgt Joe Friday used to say on Dragnet [before your time]).

 

God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,

 

Bill

By the way, the TD Mod also commented that he had never seen me be argumentative nor nasty with other members -- even when they became nasty with me. I have tried to maintain that position -- although I will admit to occasionally getting a wee bit testy at times.

 

 

I can only say the "mod" didn't read far enough to get to the "do you have something you want to tell us" posts.