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In all accounts, the women were the first to know. Mary Magdalene, the prostitute whom Jesus had cast demons out of, was the main woman in all.  I used the King James version, but any other translation should state the same.  

 

Matthew 28: 1-10 - Jesus appeared to Mary Magdalene & other women while they were on their way to tell the diciples He had risen.

Mark 16:1-10 - In verse 9 - Jesus appeared to Mary Magdalene first.

Luke 22:55-26: 23: 1-12 - The women went to the disciples and told them, but the disciples did not believe. (Luke's version does not mention Jesus appearing to Mary.)

John 20: 1-18 - Mary Magdalene tells Simon Peter and John that Jesus has risen, they all run back to the tomb. The disciples leave, and Jesus appears to Mary.

 

 

Originally Posted by Jennifer:

Again, it depends on which account you read.

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Jenn,,,,It all means the same thing. Magdalene and Mary his mother, on their way to the tomb

when Magdalene couldn't wait and started to run. She was the first to get there and the first

one Jesus appeared to. Jesus appeared to the women first because they had more courage

than the men by staying close the cross.

 

The way he looked at that was the women deserved his first appearence. John was also

close to the cross at times but it was the women who elbowed their to Jesus.

Originally Posted by Jennifer:

No, that account isn't from John and doesn't go on to say she saw him.

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Mark 16: 8-10

 

 [8] But they going out,
fled from the sepulchre. For a trembling and fear had seized them: and they said
nothing to any man; for they were afraid. [9] But he rising early the
first day of the week, appeared first to Mary Magdalen, out of whom he had cast
seven devils. [10] She
went and told them that had been with him, who were mourning and weeping.

 

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Gnu,  while your question may be a valid one and your personal feelings about Christ accurate to your point of view it would be respectful and considerate of other forum members to refrain from such references to a person whom we view as our savior.  While you have full right to use what wording you wish you can do so as a respectful person or as someone who cares less about the others in the forum who happen to believe in Christ as their personal Savior. 

Regarding the topic at hand I'd like to post the following from a few sources that I like to read during some of my studies.  I think both help add some more light to the subject.

Regarding the following verses:

1 Corinthians 14:33-35 (NIV)
33 For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. As in all the congregations of the saints,
34 women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says.
35 If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.

consider the following:

 

Notes for 14:34,35
Does this mean that women should not speak in church services today? It is clear from 1Cor 11:5 that women prayed and prophesied in public worship. It is also clear in chapters 12 — 14 that women are given spiritual gifts and are encouraged to exercise them in the body of Christ. Women have much to contribute and can participate in worship services.

     In the Corinthian culture, women were not allowed to confront men in public. Apparently some of the women who had become Christians thought that their Christian freedom gave them the right to question the men in public worship. This was causing division in the church. In addition, women of that day did not receive formal religious education as did the men. Women may have been raising questions in the worship services that could have been answered at home without disrupting the services. Paul was asking the women not to flaunt their Christian freedom during worship. The purpose of Paul's words was to promote unity, not to teach about women's role in the church. , Life Application Study Bible, (Wheaton, IL: Tyndale, 1988), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, Under: "Chapter 14".

and

Why did Paul allow women to pray and prophesy (11:5) but here called for women to "be silent"? Apparently, wives were calling out questions to their husbands, perhaps while their husbands were prophesying or speaking in tongues. This contributed further to the noisy chaos of the meetings. Paul's call for silence, therefore, was not absolute but specific; he wanted wives to wait to ask their husbands their questions at home. In both 11:5 and 14:34, the real issue is the wife's recognition of her husband's God-given role of "head" in relation to her. For this reason, she was to wear a marriage veil (or something like that) when prophesying and to keep quiet when her husband was speaking in church.Paul W. Barnett, “Notes on 1 Corinthians,” in The Apologetics Study Bible: Understanding Why You Believe, ed. Ted Cabal (Nashville, TN: Holman Bible Publishers, 2007), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 1727.

and one more

Women in the church (vv. 34-35).
Relate these verses to 11:5ff and 1 Tim. 2:12. It seems that the women were abusing their gifts and using them out of place. Paul does not say that women have no spiritual gifts, or that they should be slaves to the men. He teaches that both men and women, if acting out of place in the church, tear down the church instead of building it up. Paul also lays a responsibility upon the men; they were to teach their wives spiritual truths, but to do so at home. Sad to say, in many families it is the wife who has to teach the husband!   Warren W. Wiersbe, Wiersbe's Expository Outlines – Wiersbe's Expository Outlines on the New Testament, (Colorado Springs, CO: Victor, 1992), WORDsearch CROSS e-book, 462.

Here from two sources come opinions regarding the intrepretation of the verse that is often used, incorrectly, to say all women should remain silent in Church or not say a word.  The case is specific to the Corinthian Church and something that was happening at that specific Church.  Paul addresses this situation in his personal letter to the Church issuing the command to those specific individuals that were being mentioned as causing a problem within that Corinthian Church.  Granted there are some fundamental people who use these verses to justify their own personal desires or feelings.  I believe however that careful analysis of exactly what the passage is about and who it is written to along with understanding the relationship of the New Covenant with respect to "The Law" will revel that this section is not directed to ALL Women and not as a detrimental thing to them.

 

If you take just verse 34 alone you can make it say what you want it to or use if for purposes it was not intended to be.  Careful reading and analysis of vss 33 and 35 give clarification to the reason and direction of the passage.  Vs 33 we see the emphasis is on the Church (congregation of the saints) and keeping order within the Church.  From vs 35 we see the direction is to certain wives of some of the men, in the church, who were during church asking questions that was being a disruption to the Church itself.  Note also that this is Paul's directions and opinion in his personal letter to the Corinthian Church.  I have little doubt (or it's my opinion) that Paul had been made aware of certain women that were becoming a disruption to the Church, possibly by a letter from the Church, and he was then responding in writing to give his opinion or instruction back tot he Church as an answer.. 

 

 

 


Originally Posted by Jennifer:

No, that account isn't from John and doesn't go on to say she saw him.

Beginning of Canade's response ( I wouldnt' want it to see that I am putting words in Jennifer's mouth.)
 I think it is from John and it does goes on to say she saw him, see below-John 20: 1-31. Not sure what book of John you are  looking at. John the 4th book in the New Testament, or 1st John or 2nd John. They are 3 different books.
Holy Bible / New Testament / John / 20:1-31

20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.   Defenders Notes >>


20:2 Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the LORD out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.   Defenders Notes >>


20:3 Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre.


20:4 So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.


20:5 And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in.


20:6 Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,   Defenders Notes >>


20:7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.   Defenders Notes >>


20:8 Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.   Defenders Notes >>


20:9 For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.   Defenders Notes >>


20:10 Then the disciples went away again unto their own home.   Defenders Notes >>


20:11 But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre,


20:12 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.


20:13 And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my LORD, and I know not where they have laid him.


20:14 And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.   Defenders Notes >>


20:15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.


20:16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.


20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.   Defenders Notes >>   Defenders Notes >>   Defenders Notes >>


20:18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the LORD, and that he had spoken these things unto her.


20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.


20:20 And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the LORD.   Defenders Notes >>   Defenders Notes >>


20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.   Defenders Notes >>


20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:   Defenders Notes >>


20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.   Defenders Notes >>


20:24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.


20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.


20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.   Defenders Notes >>


20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.   Defenders Notes >>


20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.   Defenders Notes >>


20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.   Defenders Notes >>


20:30 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:   Defenders Notes >>


20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.   Defenders Notes >>


 


Last edited by canade
Originally Posted by canade:

In all accounts, the women were the first to know. Mary Magdalene, the prostitute whom Jesus had cast demons out of, was the main woman in all.  I used the King James version, but any other translation should state the same.  

 

Matthew 28: 1-10 - Jesus appeared to Mary Magdalene & other women while they were on their way to tell the diciples He had risen.

Mark 16:1-10 - In verse 9 - Jesus appeared to Mary Magdalene first.

Luke 22:55-26: 23: 1-12 - The women went to the disciples and told them, but the disciples did not believe. (Luke's version does not mention Jesus appearing to Mary.)

John 20: 1-18 - Mary Magdalene tells Simon Peter and John that Jesus has risen, they all run back to the tomb. The disciples leave, and Jesus appears to Mary.

 

 

Correction: I put the wrong scriptures down for Luke. It is Luke 23:55-56; Luke 23:11-31. I apologize for the confusion.

Originally Posted by canade:

Jennifer, I stand corrected, I apologize.

The account from Luke does not mention Jesus appearing to anyone until he met  the two disciples on the road to Emma'us.  It does say the women were the ones the Angels appeared to and they told the disciples. 

 

 

canade,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,try Mark 16: 9...........John 20: 11-18    KJV

Jesus first appeared to Magalen first.

 

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Originally Posted by canade:

Jennifer, I stand corrected, I apologize.

The account from Luke does not mention Jesus appearing to anyone until he met  the two disciples on the road to Emma'us.  It does say the women were the ones the Angels appeared to and they told the disciples. 

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No need for an apology. I figured you'd find it sooner or later.

Originally Posted by INVICTUS:
Originally Posted by canade:

Jennifer, I stand corrected, I apologize.

The account from Luke does not mention Jesus appearing to anyone until he met  the two disciples on the road to Emma'us.  It does say the women were the ones the Angels appeared to and they told the disciples. 

 

 

canade,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,try Mark 16: 9...........John 20: 11-18    KJV

Jesus first appeared to Magalen first.

 

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