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Why the Party of the KKK Hates Herman Cain

Renegade NationRenegade NationHall of Famer

You know for some reason if I say I'm against huge, centralized, bloated government; against high taxes and for everyone (rich and poor) to enjoy civil and economic freedom, I am somehow automatically thought of as a Republican and by default...racist.

 

Well, I'm neither republican or racist.

 

Also, I am not a Herman Cain supporter. But he is coming under fire for being a "republican"...liberal democrats asked how in the world could a black guy even consider being republican. They ask this because either they are ignorant or willfully dishonest about their own party.

 

Why the Party of the KKK Hates Herman Cain

By Daniel Flynn

 

"...The talking head really losing his head over Herman Cain is Roland Martin. The CNN pundit writes, "You would think that a black man born and raised in Georgia, who was a teenager during the civil rights movement, would understand the transition of African-Americans from voting overwhelmingly Republican to strongly supporting the Democratic Party."

 

Why?

 

During the civil rights movement, every member of the Georgia congressional delegation was a Democrat and every member of the Georgia congressional delegation save one voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The only African Americans elected to Congress from Georgia prior to the civil rights movement were Republicans. When Republican Fletcher Thompson helped break the Democratic stranglehold on the state’s Washington delegation in 1966, he gave an African American a job in his local office. However pedestrian this sounds today, this had never happened in that district..."

 

"...Martin accuses Cain of being "historically ignorant." But Martin could use a refresher course on American history..."

 

Flynn goes on to show who really is "historically ignorant":

 

"...The history of political racism in America is largely a history of the Democratic Party. President Woodrow Wilson introduced Jim Crow into the federal bureaucracy, segregating postal workers, treasury department employees, and those in other sections of the government. Of the nearly two dozen African Americans who served in Congress prior to World War II, just one had belonged to the Democratic Party. The proportion of Republicans voting for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was actually greater than the proportion of Democrats..."

 

"...Even membership in the most vile racist organization was no impediment to leadership in the Democratic Party. In 1924, the Democratic National Convention refused to repudiate the Ku Klux Klan in an infamous vote. Thirteen years later, the party’s patron saint, Franklin Roosevelt, appointed a former Klansman, Hugo Black, to the U.S. Supreme Court. Before Robert Byrd won election to Congress in 1952, he unanimously won election as Exalted Cyclops in his local Ku Klux Klan chapter. That the leader in a fringe group could become among Democrats a decidedly non-fringe player—Byrd served longer in Congress than any other member and led Senate Democrats from 1977 to 1989—shows how seamlessly professional racists transitioned to professional politicians..."

 

"...If Republicans today are angry about a high level of animosity coming from black voters," Roland Martin writes, "they need to blame their white forefathers who wanted to see the racial divide continue over their refusal to allow African-Americans to be full citizens of the United States..."

 

But Flynn has shown this to be completely wrong historically and then asks the obvious question: Why would any young black person growing up during this era want to join the democrat party?

 

"...But it’s Roland Martin, not Herman Cain, who belongs to the party of Roger Taney, Woodrow Wilson, and George Wallace."

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Renegade NationRenegade NationHall of Famer
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
You have really outdone yourself this time with, perhaps, the most idiotic post of the day. If any political pary represented the KKK today, it would be the Republicans, followed closely by the Tea Party.

 

 

OK, how so? 

 

What policy in particlular that has been encacted by the republicans that would equate to the KKK?

 

Specifically, what policy/or statement has Tea Party politicians supported that would equate to the KKK?

Renegade NationRenegade NationHall of Famer
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
You really haven't been paying attention, have you?

 

 

That's a non-answer.  It's non-answer because apparently you have nothing of substance to contribute.

 

You have distinguished yourself on these boards as an intellectually shallow poster.  You rarely have anything of actual value to contribute. 

 

Only you can change that.

 

I'm not here wanting or trying to defend republicans or tea partiers.  But I do not accept as a default position that supporting limited government is inherently racist.

 

Respond directly and specifically to points made in the post or your silence would be appreciated.

SeniorCoffeeSeniorCoffeeHall of Famer
A couple of points. Hugo Black was a member of the KKK in the 1920s because as a lawyer in Birmingham and had to have a Klan connection to stand a chance for his clients in jury trials. He was never anything but a rank and file member. He was actually one of the most liberal justices to serve on the court, and wrote the Brown vs Board of Education opinion that eventually brought about integration.
The Republican party is currently engaged in redistricting efforts to disenfranchise voters of color, as well as a variety of other ploys to make it more difficult for low income residents to cast votes.
In addition they support efforts to dismantle the safety net that has enabled poor of all races to drag themselves out of the deperate poverty I witnessed in the 50s.
JimiHendrixJimiHendrixOld Faithful
Originally Posted by SeniorCoffee:
A couple of points. Hugo Black was a member of the KKK in the 1920s because as a lawyer in Birmingham and had to have a Klan connection to stand a chance for his clients in jury trials. He was never anything but a rank and file member. He was actually one of the most liberal justices to serve on the court, and wrote the Brown vs Board of Education opinion that eventually brought about integration.
The Republican party is currently engaged in redistricting efforts to disenfranchise voters of color, as well as a variety of other ploys to make it more difficult for low income residents to cast votes.
In addition they support efforts to dismantle the safety net that has enabled poor of all races to drag themselves out of the deperate poverty I witnessed in the 50s.

Lincoln could not be a Republican today. Nor could Reagan or even Nixon. It is a sure sign of political desperation to bring up the distant past and blame it for the sins of today. With only about 40 % of eligible voters voting, isn't it interesting that the party that is always trying to encourage more people to vote is the Democratic, while the party that is always trying to prevent people from voting is the Republican?

GingeeGingeeHall of Famer
You have drank the liberal elixer. If you are purely a democrat then you fully support abortion, gay marrige, affirmative action and large government. Why do you feel you have to support one paticular party? Why would you not support the candidate and what he believes? Most liberals just want to go against the grain. They talk about how they care about their brothers and sisters when what they really want is to be part of the "in crowd". Most are selfish and would only raise a finger to help the ones who think and follow what they believe.Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by SeniorCoffee:
A couple of points. Hugo Black was a member of the KKK in the 1920s because as a lawyer in Birmingham and had to have a Klan connection to stand a chance for his clients in jury trials. He was never anything but a rank and file member. He was actually one of the most liberal justices to serve on the court, and wrote the Brown vs Board of Education opinion that eventually brought about integration.
The Republican party is currently engaged in redistricting efforts to disenfranchise voters of color, as well as a variety of other ploys to make it more difficult for low income residents to cast votes.
In addition they support efforts to dismantle the safety net that has enabled poor of all races to drag themselves out of the deperate poverty I witnessed in the 50s.

Lincoln could not be a Republican today. Nor could Reagan or even Nixon. It is a sure sign of political desperation to bring up the distant past and blame it for the sins of today. With only about 40 % of eligible voters voting, isn't it interesting that the party that is always trying to encourage more people to vote is the Democratic, while the party that is always trying to prevent people from voting is the Republican?

 

Roland PfalzRoland PfalzPost Master

The only reason, and it IS the ONLY reason the Democrats even pay attention to the "color" is to keep them dependent on the liberal policy of "entitlement". This is done simply to gain their votes in order to retain power. Herman Cain, among many other respected members of the black community know this, and try to get this point across.

This is the reason the liberals hate them, because of their knowledge of what's really going on.

Roland PfalzRoland PfalzPost Master
Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:

Blacks in America are generally poor.

Dems generally do stuff that generally helps poor folks.

Blacks generally vote for Dems. 

Poor whites voting for Repubes means they are generally voting against their own best interests usually because of the Repube candidates position on gambling or abortion. 

  

Statistics please?

JimiHendrixJimiHendrixOld Faithful
Originally Posted by Roland Pfalz:

The only reason, and it IS the ONLY reason the Democrats even pay attention to the "color" is to keep them dependent on the liberal policy of "entitlement". This is done simply to gain their votes in order to retain power. Herman Cain, among many other respected members of the black community know this, and try to get this point across.

This is the reason the liberals hate them, because of their knowledge of what's really going on.

You are insane. No statistics needed. Just listen to yourself.

JimiHendrixJimiHendrixOld Faithful
Originally Posted by Roland Pfalz:
Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:

Blacks in America are generally poor.

Dems generally do stuff that generally helps poor folks.

Blacks generally vote for Dems. 

Poor whites voting for Repubes means they are generally voting against their own best interests usually because of the Repube candidates position on gambling or abortion. 

  

Statistics please?

Do you not read anything? Do you live in a cave in the woods? Pay attention!

JimiHendrixJimiHendrixOld Faithful
Originally Posted by Renegade Nation:

You know for some reason if I say I'm against huge, centralized, bloated government; against high taxes and for everyone (rich and poor) to enjoy civil and economic freedom, I am somehow automatically thought of as a Republican and by default...racist.

 

Well, I'm neither republican or racist.

 

Also, I am not a Herman Cain supporter. But he is coming under fire for being a "republican"...liberal democrats asked how in the world could a black guy even consider being republican. They ask this because either they are ignorant or willfully dishonest about their own party.

 

Why the Party of the KKK Hates Herman Cain

By Daniel Flynn

 

"...The talking head really losing his head over Herman Cain is Roland Martin. The CNN pundit writes, "You would think that a black man born and raised in Georgia, who was a teenager during the civil rights movement, would understand the transition of African-Americans from voting overwhelmingly Republican to strongly supporting the Democratic Party."

 

Why?

 

During the civil rights movement, every member of the Georgia congressional delegation was a Democrat and every member of the Georgia congressional delegation save one voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The only African Americans elected to Congress from Georgia prior to the civil rights movement were Republicans. When Republican Fletcher Thompson helped break the Democratic stranglehold on the state’s Washington delegation in 1966, he gave an African American a job in his local office. However pedestrian this sounds today, this had never happened in that district..."

 

"...Martin accuses Cain of being "historically ignorant." But Martin could use a refresher course on American history..."

 

Flynn goes on to show who really is "historically ignorant":

 

"...The history of political racism in America is largely a history of the Democratic Party. President Woodrow Wilson introduced Jim Crow into the federal bureaucracy, segregating postal workers, treasury department employees, and those in other sections of the government. Of the nearly two dozen African Americans who served in Congress prior to World War II, just one had belonged to the Democratic Party. The proportion of Republicans voting for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was actually greater than the proportion of Democrats..."

 

"...Even membership in the most vile racist organization was no impediment to leadership in the Democratic Party. In 1924, the Democratic National Convention refused to repudiate the Ku Klux Klan in an infamous vote. Thirteen years later, the party’s patron saint, Franklin Roosevelt, appointed a former Klansman, Hugo Black, to the U.S. Supreme Court. Before Robert Byrd won election to Congress in 1952, he unanimously won election as Exalted Cyclops in his local Ku Klux Klan chapter. That the leader in a fringe group could become among Democrats a decidedly non-fringe player—Byrd served longer in Congress than any other member and led Senate Democrats from 1977 to 1989—shows how seamlessly professional racists transitioned to professional politicians..."

 

"...If Republicans today are angry about a high level of animosity coming from black voters," Roland Martin writes, "they need to blame their white forefathers who wanted to see the racial divide continue over their refusal to allow African-Americans to be full citizens of the United States..."

 

But Flynn has shown this to be completely wrong historically and then asks the obvious question: Why would any young black person growing up during this era want to join the democrat party?

 

"...But it’s Roland Martin, not Herman Cain, who belongs to the party of Roger Taney, Woodrow Wilson, and George Wallace."

Your avatar is ironic. If it is not a joke, then you know nothing about him. He would disagree with you on just about everything.

Renegade NationRenegade NationHall of Famer
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:

Your avatar is ironic. If it is not a joke, then you know nothing about him. He would disagree with you on just about everything.

 

 

Just you saying that means next to nothing...exactly what points do you think I have represented that TJ would disagree about?

 

Unless you are talking about general things from other posts, the only thing I have presented in this post is its hypocritical for democrats to accuse republicans of being racist, just simply because they are republicans.

Renegade NationRenegade NationHall of Famer
Originally Posted by SeniorCoffee:
A couple of points. Hugo Black was a member of the KKK in the 1920s because as a lawyer in Birmingham and had to have a Klan connection to stand a chance for his clients in jury trials. He was never anything but a rank and file member. He was actually one of the most liberal justices to serve on the court, and wrote the Brown vs Board of Education opinion that eventually brought about integration.
The Republican party is currently engaged in redistricting efforts to disenfranchise voters of color, as well as a variety of other ploys to make it more difficult for low income residents to cast votes.
In addition they support efforts to dismantle the safety net that has enabled poor of all races to drag themselves out of the deperate poverty I witnessed in the 50s.

"Hugo Black"...it's amazing the lengths some people will go to whitewash the past of Black, Byrd, etc.

 

Republicans and Democrats routinely engage in the political trickery of redistricting.  You call the current efforts and example of "racist"...how so?  And even if you are in fact right, how does that disenfranchise anyone?

 

"In addition they support efforts to dismantle the safety net that has enabled poor of all races to drag themselves out of the deperate poverty I witnessed in the 50s."

 

And here we are back to being racist if you oppose a huge, gigantic, inefficiant bueraucracy.

interventor1212interventor1212Old Faithful

Since the war on poverty, blacks, as a class, have suffered more. Their family structures were destroyed, education (once revered) is now derided as a white thang amongst black young people, unemployment for young blacks used to be a couple of percentage points above whites, now in in double digets.  Any more help from the Democrats will destroy them. 

Renegade NationRenegade NationHall of Famer
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
It is a sure sign of political desperation to bring up the distant past and blame it for the sins of today.

 

 

Finally, its something I totally agree with Jimi about...very desperate...

 

Remember the crux of the post and Daniel Flynn's article I linked to is the fact that among others, this CNN commentator accuses Cain of being "historically ignorant".  Flynn goes on to show actually the historically ignorant is this commentator and like minded Cain critics.

 

It is they who bring up the distant past...

SeniorCoffeeSeniorCoffeeHall of Famer
May I point out that the war on poverty, and the Voting Rights acts, launched by President Lyndon Johmson, a Democratic, alienated the majority of Southern politicians, effectively reversing the positions of the Democratic and Republican parties,
Personally, I vote for Democratic candidates because there are no Socialist candidates on the ballot. I believe it is obvious that Socialism is a much better way to organize society. You only need to look at the successful societies on this planet to realize the highest standards of living are in countries having some form of socialism.
JimiHendrixJimiHendrixOld Faithful
Originally Posted by Renegade Nation:
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
It is a sure sign of political desperation to bring up the distant past and blame it for the sins of today.

 

 

Finally, its something I totally agree with Jimi about...very desperate...

 

Remember the crux of the post and Daniel Flynn's article I linked to is the fact that among others, this CNN commentator accuses Cain of being "historically ignorant".  Flynn goes on to show actually the historically ignorant is this commentator and like minded Cain critics.

 

It is they who bring up the distant past...

Cain is a buffoon. His followers are worse. Fortunately, he has as much chance of being elected President as Skippy does.

The PropagandistThe PropagandistPost Master
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by Renegade Nation:
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
It is a sure sign of political desperation to bring up the distant past and blame it for the sins of today.

 

 

 

As I've said in the past, "It is the height of arrogance to judge the actions of those in a bygone era using the standards of today. In fifty years' time, it may be you who is judged harshly and made out to be the villain for something that is perfectly acceptable today."

skippy delepepperskippy delepepperOld Faithful
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by Renegade Nation:
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
It is a sure sign of political desperation to bring up the distant past and blame it for the sins of today.

 

 

Finally, its something I totally agree with Jimi about...very desperate...

 

Remember the crux of the post and Daniel Flynn's article I linked to is the fact that among others, this CNN commentator accuses Cain of being "historically ignorant".  Flynn goes on to show actually the historically ignorant is this commentator and like minded Cain critics.

 

It is they who bring up the distant past...

Cain is a buffoon. His followers are worse. Fortunately, he has as much chance of being elected President as Skippy does.

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President Skippy,

I really like the sound of that.

take-pride-in-america

Maybe in the future. For now I like the sound of President Cain or President Romney.

I know what your saying Jimbo. Na Na Na Na Na Na Na Na Na Na Naaaaaaaaa.

Why don't you grow up and contribute something worth reading.

Skippy

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JimiHendrixJimiHendrixOld Faithful
Originally Posted by skippy delepepper:
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by Renegade Nation:
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
It is a sure sign of political desperation to bring up the distant past and blame it for the sins of today.

 

 

Finally, its something I totally agree with Jimi about...very desperate...

 

Remember the crux of the post and Daniel Flynn's article I linked to is the fact that among others, this CNN commentator accuses Cain of being "historically ignorant".  Flynn goes on to show actually the historically ignorant is this commentator and like minded Cain critics.

 

It is they who bring up the distant past...

Cain is a buffoon. His followers are worse. Fortunately, he has as much chance of being elected President as Skippy does.

________________________________________________

President Skippy,

I really like the sound of that.

take-pride-in-america

Maybe in the future. For now I like the sound of President Cain or President Romney.

I know what your saying Jimbo. Na Na Na Na Na Na Na Na Na Na Naaaaaaaaa.

Why don't you grow up and contribute something worth reading.

Skippy

I'll contribute something worth reading when you learn how to read.

dogsoldier0513dogsoldier0513Old Faithful
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
You have really outdone yourself this time with, perhaps, the most idiotic post of the day. If any political pary represented the KKK today, it would be the Republicans, followed closely by the Tea Party.

I've finally figured out why jimbo is the way he is: He's ****ed because he wasn't born a 'poor black child'.......

dogsoldier0513dogsoldier0513Old Faithful
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
I guess dog soldier is the resident epert on the KKK. He isn't too crazy about the cold, hard truth, however.

jimbo, you are free to THINK what you want about me, but pray we never meet. You'd be sorely disappointed to finally discover that you have been living in a fantasy world and you are no longer 'king'.

 

My great-grandfather was a member of the KKK. Even under his cap and pointy hat he was hard to miss...seeing as how he was 6' 8" tall.

 

I am not and never have been a member. If the KKK operated under the guidelines under which it was originally founded I would have no problem with being a member. Under its current guise, however, I find it disgusting.

Mr.DittoheadMr.DittoheadOld Faithful
Originally Posted by dogsoldier0513:
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Yet you don't understand why many find you avatar disgusting. Are you really that naive?

So far, YOU are the only one to protest it. It gives me joy knowing that it p i s s es you off so much.....

The avatar announces that your opinion is worthless. 

The war is over, the superior force won. 

God has a plan.

marksw59marksw59Post Master
Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:

The war is over, the superior force won. 

God has a plan.

Is this irony from the guy who puts the walking "Darwin fish" at the bottom of some posts?

Or have you taken on a "Cylon monotheist persona"?

Will you next be telling us, "This has all happened before, this will all happen again"?

JimiHendrixJimiHendrixOld Faithful
Originally Posted by marksw59:
Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:

The war is over, the superior force won. 

God has a plan.

Is this irony from the guy who puts the walking "Darwin fish" at the bottom of some posts?

Or have you taken on a "Cylon monotheist persona"?

Will you next be telling us, "This has all happened before, this will all happen again"?

Would someone please translate this drivel into English? Evidently msw59 also supports flying the flag of America's enemies. If dogsoldier had a grandfather who was a ****, would you support his flying the swastika? It appears that you would.

marksw59marksw59Post Master
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by marksw59:
Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:

The war is over, the superior force won. 

God has a plan.

Is this irony from the guy who puts the walking "Darwin fish" at the bottom of some posts?

Or have you taken on a "Cylon monotheist persona"?

Will you next be telling us, "This has all happened before, this will all happen again"?

Would someone please translate this drivel into English? Evidently msw59 also supports flying the flag of America's enemies. If dogsoldier had a grandfather who was a ****, would you support his flying the swastika? It appears that you would.

I was making light of Ditzy's use of the phrase "God has a plan" since he uses the "Darwin fish".

Further, it is a phrase often used by the "Cylon monotheist" characters in the more recent version of the series Battlestar Glactica. Many characters in that show said, "This has all happened before, this will all happen again", and it seemed like a natural progression for Ditzy.

Jimi, you weren't expected to understand.

 

The flag as my avatar is the flag of the Independents from the series Firefly. Hence it is a fictional flag. However, if America is analogous to The Alliance, then you might consider it to be the flag of America's enemies.

Again Jimi, you weren't expected to understand.

dogsoldier0513dogsoldier0513Old Faithful
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by marksw59:
Originally Posted by Mr.Dittohead:

The war is over, the superior force won. 

God has a plan.

Is this irony from the guy who puts the walking "Darwin fish" at the bottom of some posts?

Or have you taken on a "Cylon monotheist persona"?

Will you next be telling us, "This has all happened before, this will all happen again"?

Would someone please translate this drivel into English? Evidently msw59 also supports flying the flag of America's enemies. If dogsoldier had a grandfather who was a ****, would you support his flying the swastika? It appears that you would.

My grandfather was a WWII combat veteran, serving in the US 7th Army in Europe. One detail found him assisting in the guarding of several German POWs prior to processing. As things turned out, one of the German POWs was a cousin. However, he WAS NOT a member of the N a z i Party.

 

And, in the 'FWIW category', the 'swastika', in one incarnation or another, has been used by numerous 'peoples' throughout history. It, like the Confederate flag, has a varied history. Just as most soldiers in the German army WEREN'T N a z i s, MOST soldiers of the Confederate army WEREN'T slave owners.

 

I'm sure I've just wasted my time trying to educate jimbo. Alas....from now own, I may refer to jimbo as 'dogsoldier's folly'.

JimiHendrixJimiHendrixOld Faithful
So, I was right about dog soldier. He will go to great lengths to justify the use of disgusting symbols. The swastika and stars and bars have very specific meanings today. You cannot deminish this by bringing up "historical" uses that were not offensive. The fact is that your flag represents treason and the enemy of your country and is offensive to millions of patriotic Americans. You know this and still use it proudly. This makes you a very sick person. The fact that you would also defend the swastika makes it worse. Call me anything you want. It doesn't change what you are.
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