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Originally posted by gbrk:
What is a Handfasting ceremony? I know what fasting is, related to food but, well, just curious?


Handfasting is the rite in which the God & Goddess bless the union of two people.
Couples places their right hands together & then their left hands together to form an infinity symbol while a cord is tied around their wrists.
From what I've been told, this ceremony isn't legal in Alabama, unless the couple follow certain local guidelines in their County for getting a valid marriage license for a Wiccan/Pagan ceremony.
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
Has anyone ever been to a Wiccan Wedding or "Handfasting" ceremony? I've been invited to one and I don't know the first thing about them. Anyone?


I went to one years ago. It was no different from any other wedding ceremony, other than it didn't last as long. And of course, the bride being a Wiccan that practiced witchcraft, wore a black dress. Smiler
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Originally posted by semiannualchick:
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
Has anyone ever been to a Wiccan Wedding or "Handfasting" ceremony? I've been invited to one and I don't know the first thing about them. Anyone?


I went to one years ago. It was no different from any other wedding ceremony, other than it didn't last as long. And of course, the bride being a Wiccan that practiced witchcraft, wore a black dress. Smiler
What did you wear?
a couple of people thta i know were marreid in a court house for the leagality of the issue, but then a month of so later, when schedules permitted, they had a handfasting celebration.

it was acctually very cool. it was all about the two people being joined together, and not about the diety that was supposed to be blessing the event.

it was very cool.
Hopefully the couple will forget Alabama's backward laws. I like the idea thenagel suggested. Let the state do its hoopla and then get married however you please. I've suggested this to couples being held up by some religious roadblock and now I see it is some potential legal roadblock in this case. A marriage is what the couple commits to each other and not what a person has to say about it.

Jennifer, I hope it is a beautiful ceremony and you enjoy the moment like everyone else. It is a celebration of a bond already made by the couple themselves. Hopefully everybody will be joyful. Isn't that what a wedding is all about?
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Originally posted by thenagel:
a couple of people thta i know were marreid in a court house for the leagality of the issue, but then a month of so later, when schedules permitted, they had a handfasting celebration.

it was acctually very cool. it was all about the two people being joined together, and not about the diety that was supposed to be blessing the event.

it was very cool.


In Alabama, because common law marriage is recognized and the guidelines are so loose then there is no need to go to the courthouse to make it legal. All you have to do in Alabama is have sex and put forth to the public your intent to be husband & wife and you are legally married.
Of course going to the courthouse and getting married makes the whole issue a lot easier to prove since paperwork is signed off on & filed.

http://www.ago.state.al.us/contact_faqs.cfm
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Originally posted by BFred07:
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Originally posted by thenagel:
a couple of people thta i know were marreid in a court house for the leagality of the issue, but then a month of so later, when schedules permitted, they had a handfasting celebration.

it was acctually very cool. it was all about the two people being joined together, and not about the diety that was supposed to be blessing the event.

it was very cool.


In Alabama, because common law marriage is recognized and the guidelines are so loose then there is no need to go to the courthouse to make it legal. All you have to do in Alabama is have sex and put forth to the public your intent to be husband & wife and you are legally married.
Of course going to the courthouse and getting married makes the whole issue a lot easier to prove since paperwork is signed off on & filed.

http://www.ago.state.al.us/contact_faqs.cfm


Oh aye... very true, i knew that.. they knew that, but they wanted it offically legally legit - paperwork and all.

i used to scare the willies out of people with that bit of knowledge.. i'd point out to the that if they ever introduced their live in girlfriend as ' the ol lady' they were indicating a state or marrriage, and were there for legally married.

i terrified a lot of people. it was right darn entertaining.
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Oh aye... very true, i knew that.. they knew that, but they wanted it offically legally legit - paperwork and all.

i used to scare the willies out of people with that bit of knowledge.. i'd point out to the that if they ever introduced their live in girlfriend as ' the ol lady' they were indicating a state or marrriage, and were there for legally married.

i terrified a lot of people. it was right darn entertaining.

They're getting legally married, I do know that, not sure how it's going to happen but I know there are plenty of people qualified to perform a "legal" ceremony. Now that I know we don't have to dress in medieval costumes I'm looking forward to it.
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
[Now that I know we don't have to dress in medieval costumes I'm looking forward to it.


OMG! That made me laugh. What if you didn't ask before hand and had of just shown up wearing some Ren faire garb? That would have been hilarious. Like you though, that is what came to mind when I saw where you posted the query about what to wear.
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Originally posted by DarkAngel:
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
[Now that I know we don't have to dress in medieval costumes I'm looking forward to it.


OMG! That made me laugh. What if you didn't ask before hand and had of just shown up wearing some Ren faire garb? That would have been hilarious. Like you though, that is what came to mind when I saw where you posted the query about what to wear.
I had looked at some of the ceremonies online, and in some people were dressed in costumes, some weren't. Semi said she just dressed normally. So this morning I decided to do the sensible thing and just call. I talked to her sister and the bride and groom will be in Wiccan dress along with members of the wedding party, but guests can dress in their "regular" clothing.
I've been to a couple of weddings that could be called a circus. One where the girl was so pregnant we were afraid she'd go into labor before it was over. But it was a full fledged all out wedding and the bride wore a white gown even with her big belly. (She lasted two more weeks) The other circus was the COC wedding that the preacher wouldn't let the girl have in her own church because she wanted music. So they "borrowed" a Baptist church and he had no problem. (Can we say hypocrite)? I think if I was her I'd have gotten a different preacher too. Oh and btw, the wedding between the two gay guys was wonderful, no circus there either.
Marriage is given of God, ordained by God and is expressly described in the Holy Bible. This couple will not be bound in Holy Matrimony, they will agree to accept each other in a pagan rite or ritual, which in and of itself is not sufficient to "join" them under law and will require a civil service or declaration of Common Law. This is not my opinion, it is fact and it reduces you to name calling which is rather useless since your opinion is of insignificant value.
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Marriage is given of God, ordained by God and is expressly described in the Holy Bible. This couple will not be bound in Holy Matrimony, they will agree to accept each other in a pagan rite or ritual, which in and of itself is not sufficient to "join" them under law and will require a civil service or declaration of Common Law. This is not my opinion, it is fact and it reduces you to name calling which is rather useless since your opinion is of insignificant value.

That is not what you said. You said in your SAP that it was a circus. What name did I call you? And try to keep up, they will be legally married. Your god has nothing to do with people being married. Millions marry with no mention or interference of religion.
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
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Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
Go ahead and wear the costume...it's a circus any way...you'll be a big hit.

It is certainly not Holy Matrimony, given of God...a Christian marriage.
No it's not a "circus", it's a wedding. Thank you for your ignorant input.


YEP...it's a circus and you just joined in with the clowns. You seem to declare that my input was ignorant....not so much, you just didn't know where to go next.
All marriages, other than

Common Law, require that the person officiating, whether a preacher, priest, magistrate, JP or rabbi....ALL are required to have state license and sanction (Authorization). The wiccan rite or ritual will not result in a legal marriage...they will have to hold out as Common Law or appear before a duly constituted state official or licensed religious person to be married. You need to do a little research into the history and origins of marriage.

..CIRCUS !!!
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Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
Marriage is given of God, ordained by God and is expressly described in the Holy Bible. This couple will not be bound in Holy Matrimony, they will agree to accept each other in a pagan rite or ritual, which in and of itself is not sufficient to "join" them under law and will require a civil service or declaration of Common Law. This is not my opinion, it is fact and it reduces you to name calling which is rather useless since your opinion is of insignificant value.


You can't get married in a church by a pastor without having to go through the exact same process that this wiccan couple will do to make it legal. What is your point? God only matters if you want it to. I know many people that are legally married and not one God was mentioned during the wedding. They get to file their taxes "married filing jointly" just like the Christian married couples do. God has nothing to do with marriage unless you choose to have a religious ceremony.
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Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
All marriages, other than

Common Law, require that the person officiating, whether a preacher, priest, magistrate, JP or rabbi....ALL are required to have state license and sanction (Authorization). The wiccan rite or ritual will not result in a legal marriage...they will have to hold out as Common Law or appear before a duly constituted state official or licensed religious person to be married. You need to do a little research into the history and origins of marriage.

..CIRCUS !!!
You need to shut up about something you know nothing about. They will be legally married. That means a license and a qualified or "licensed" person performing the ceremony. Doesn't matter how the "vows" are worded or how the ceremony is carried out. They will have that marriage certificate. It's you that needs to do a bit of research. You know ZERO about this couple or what they intend to do but you feel you can call their wedding a circus. Yours had to be because you sure sound like a clown.
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Originally posted by DarkAngel:
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Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
Marriage is given of God, ordained by God and is expressly described in the Holy Bible. This couple will not be bound in Holy Matrimony, they will agree to accept each other in a pagan rite or ritual, which in and of itself is not sufficient to "join" them under law and will require a civil service or declaration of Common Law. This is not my opinion, it is fact and it reduces you to name calling which is rather useless since your opinion is of insignificant value.


You can't get married in a church by a pastor without having to go through the exact same process that this wiccan couple will do to make it legal. What is your point? God only matters if you want it to. I know many people that are legally married and not one God was mentioned during the wedding. They get to file their taxes "married filing jointly" just like the Christian married couples do. God has nothing to do with marriage unless you choose to have a religious ceremony.


The Civil ceremony that I already addressed with reference to JP, magistrates,etc...IS NOT required of couples who are bound in Holy Matrimony by a preacher, priest or rabbi that is licensed by the state. The "RELIGIOUS" marriage by duly ordained clergy is sufficient.
Marriage as a civil process does not equate to Holy Matrimony...it is just agreeing to the terms of a contract...like a business deal.
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YEP...it's a circus and you just joined in with the clowns. You seem to declare that my input was ignorant....not so much, you just didn't know where to go next.

What clowns? They are a lovely couple. You're the clown here-jumping in and running your mouth about something you know nothing about. There is no law that states that to be married you have to mention god or have any religious input at all. And I have no idea what you mean by having no place to go next.
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
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YEP...it's a circus and you just joined in with the clowns. You seem to declare that my input was ignorant....not so much, you just didn't know where to go next.

What clowns? They are a lovely couple. You're the clown here-jumping in and running your mouth about something you know nothing about. There is no law that states that to be married you have to mention god or have any religious input at all. And I have no idea what you mean by having no place to go next.


Jumping in here...??? It's an OPINION FORUM ....not just yours, mine also. I did not say they had to MENTION GOD...did you just totally miss the part about the CIVIL CEREMONY performed by a duly constituted, licensed state official such as a JP, Judge or Magistrate. Think what ever you want, say whatever you want...I know what I know and could really care less what you believe.
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Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
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Originally posted by DarkAngel:
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Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
Marriage is given of God, ordained by God and is expressly described in the Holy Bible. This couple will not be bound in Holy Matrimony, they will agree to accept each other in a pagan rite or ritual, which in and of itself is not sufficient to "join" them under law and will require a civil service or declaration of Common Law. This is not my opinion, it is fact and it reduces you to name calling which is rather useless since your opinion is of insignificant value.


You can't get married in a church by a pastor without having to go through the exact same process that this wiccan couple will do to make it legal. What is your point? God only matters if you want it to. I know many people that are legally married and not one God was mentioned during the wedding. They get to file their taxes "married filing jointly" just like the Christian married couples do. God has nothing to do with marriage unless you choose to have a religious ceremony.


The Civil ceremony that I already addressed with reference to JP, magistrates,etc...IS NOT required of couples who are bound in Holy Matrimony by a preacher, priest or rabbi that is licensed by the state. The "RELIGIOUS" marriage by duly ordained clergy is sufficient.
Marriage as a civil process does not equate to Holy Matrimony...it is just agreeing to the terms of a contract...like a business deal.


If you are just saying that different people have different ceremonies, then yeah. If you are saying that those not married in the name of your God are not really married then I disagree.

If this couple had chosen they could have gotten a wiccan that was licensed to perform marriages and it would have been no different than if a couple got married in the local baptist church by their pastor. Both of the religious leaders have to be licensed. Doesn't matter what their religious belief is. I have an atheist friend who is licensed to perform marriages. He could officiate over this wiccan ceremony and they would be just as married as any Christian couple.

The state of Alabama does not make any difference in marriages based on religion.
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Originally posted by DarkAngel:
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Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
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Originally posted by DarkAngel:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SHELDIVR:
Marriage is given of God, ordained by God and is expressly described in the Holy Bible. This couple will not be bound in Holy Matrimony, they will agree to accept each other in a pagan rite or ritual, which in and of itself is not sufficient to "join" them under law and will require a civil service or declaration of Common Law. This is not my opinion, it is fact and it reduces you to name calling which is rather useless since your opinion is of insignificant value.


You can't get married in a church by a pastor without having to go through the exact same process that this wiccan couple will do to make it legal. What is your point? God only matters if you want it to. I know many people that are legally married and not one God was mentioned during the wedding. They get to file their taxes "married filing jointly" just like the Christian married couples do. God has nothing to do with marriage unless you choose to have a religious ceremony.


The Civil ceremony that I already addressed with reference to JP, magistrates,etc...IS NOT required of couples who are bound in Holy Matrimony by a preacher, priest or rabbi that is licensed by the state. The "RELIGIOUS" marriage by duly ordained clergy is sufficient.
Marriage as a civil process does not equate to Holy Matrimony...it is just agreeing to the terms of a contract...like a business deal.


If you are just saying that different people have different ceremonies, then yeah. If you are saying that those not married in the name of your God are not really married then I disagree.

If this couple had chosen they could have gotten a wiccan that was licensed to perform marriages and it would have been no different than if a couple got married in the local baptist church by their pastor. Both of the religious leaders have to be licensed. Doesn't matter what their religious belief is. I have an atheist friend who is licensed to perform marriages. He could officiate over this wiccan ceremony and they would be just as married as any Christian couple.

If it is performed by an licensed/authorized, duly constituted atheist, wiccan, or government official, it is a CIVIL CEREMONY...it is not the same as the joining of two souls in the eyes of GOD. A CIVIL CEREMONY is nothing more than a legal contract.
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Jumping in here...??? It's an OPINION FORUM ....not just yours, mine also. I did not say they had to MENTION GOD...did you just totally miss the part about the CIVIL CEREMONY performed by a duly constituted, licensed state official such as a JP, Judge or Magistrate. Think what ever you want, say whatever you want...I know what I know and could really care less what you believe.

What's your point? They will be married. You had to jump in and call it a circus. You must really care what I believe because you're doing your best to run down a ceremony and a couple that you know zip about.
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Originally posted by Jennifer:
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Jumping in here...??? It's an OPINION FORUM ....not just yours, mine also. I did not say they had to MENTION GOD...did you just totally miss the part about the CIVIL CEREMONY performed by a duly constituted, licensed state official such as a JP, Judge or Magistrate. Think what ever you want, say whatever you want...I know what I know and could really care less what you believe.

What's your point? They will be married. You had to jump in and call it a circus. You must really care what I believe because you're doing your best to run down a ceremony and a couple that you know zip about.


I have seen the wiccan version of a wedding. It is completely outside the mores (pronounced morrays) and cultural norms of our society and is a manifestation of an extreme minority fringe belief (compliment) that screams.."Look at me, I need attention.." and thus to most, it is a circus. I don't care if you go there and smoke pot and cavort around naked...I stand by every word I stated here.

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