Don't ya just love it when people do that???
I wouldn't bother talking to HIHO, came on here, did a hit and run comment and ran for "them thar hills"
Don't ya just love it when people do that???
Don't ya just love it when people do that???
Roll Back the New Gilded Age: Repeal the Taft-Hartley Act
By Ralph Nader, Nader.org. Posted September 5, 2007.
This August marks the 60th anniversary of the Taft-Hartley Act, one of the corporate Right's great blows to American democracy. Tools
This August marks the 60th anniversary of the Taft-Hartley Act, one of the great blows to American democracy, going into effect.
The Act, which was drafted by employers, fundamentally infringed on workers' human rights.
Legally, Taft-Hartley: impeded employees' right to join together in labor unions; undermined the power of unions to represent workers' interests effectively; and authorized an array of anti-union activities by employers. Among its key provisions, Taft-Hartley:
Authorized states to enact so-called right-to-work laws. These laws undermine the ability to build effective unions by creating a free-rider problem -- workers can enjoy the benefits of union membership in a workplace without actually joining the union or paying union dues. Right-to-work laws thus increase employer leverage to resist unions by undermining individual workers' incentives to join a union; and thereby vastly decrease union membership, thus dramatically diminishing unions' bargaining power.
Outlawed the closed shop, which required that persons join the union before being eligible for employment with the unionized employer. (Still permitted are provisions that require any member of a bargaining unit to pay a portion of dues to that union, though not to join the union.)
Defined "employee" for purposes of the Act as excluding supervisors and independent contractors. This diminished the pool of workers eligible to be unionized, and has become an increasingly serious problem as courts and the National Labor Relations Board have authorized ever-expanding employer definitions of what constitutes a supervisor. The exclusion of supervisors from union organizing activity meant they would be used as management's "front line" in anti-organizing efforts.
Permitted employers to petition for a union certification election, thus undermining the ability of workers and unions to control the timing of an election during the sensitive organizing stage, forcing an election before the union is ready.
http://www.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?key=4121...workplace%2F61686%2F
By Ralph Nader, Nader.org. Posted September 5, 2007.
This August marks the 60th anniversary of the Taft-Hartley Act, one of the corporate Right's great blows to American democracy. Tools
This August marks the 60th anniversary of the Taft-Hartley Act, one of the great blows to American democracy, going into effect.
The Act, which was drafted by employers, fundamentally infringed on workers' human rights.
Legally, Taft-Hartley: impeded employees' right to join together in labor unions; undermined the power of unions to represent workers' interests effectively; and authorized an array of anti-union activities by employers. Among its key provisions, Taft-Hartley:
Authorized states to enact so-called right-to-work laws. These laws undermine the ability to build effective unions by creating a free-rider problem -- workers can enjoy the benefits of union membership in a workplace without actually joining the union or paying union dues. Right-to-work laws thus increase employer leverage to resist unions by undermining individual workers' incentives to join a union; and thereby vastly decrease union membership, thus dramatically diminishing unions' bargaining power.
Outlawed the closed shop, which required that persons join the union before being eligible for employment with the unionized employer. (Still permitted are provisions that require any member of a bargaining unit to pay a portion of dues to that union, though not to join the union.)
Defined "employee" for purposes of the Act as excluding supervisors and independent contractors. This diminished the pool of workers eligible to be unionized, and has become an increasingly serious problem as courts and the National Labor Relations Board have authorized ever-expanding employer definitions of what constitutes a supervisor. The exclusion of supervisors from union organizing activity meant they would be used as management's "front line" in anti-organizing efforts.
Permitted employers to petition for a union certification election, thus undermining the ability of workers and unions to control the timing of an election during the sensitive organizing stage, forcing an election before the union is ready.
http://www.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?key=4121...workplace%2F61686%2F
quote:Originally posted by pipepat:
HiHo sounds like little Joe is your best friend!
I can assure you I am no friend of lil joe. lil joe has no friends.
quote:Originally posted by Pogo142:
traderconnections:
NO ONE BELIEVED ROSS PEROT EITHER...the unions supported William Clinton...and he is the one who signed the NAFTA treaty into affect...
God gave us three tools to create our reality...
THOUGHTS...WORDS....DEEDS...
The American people took those tools and created politicians who put in NAFTA...now we get to experience the reality...
IF YOU REALLY WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS HAPPENING at Wise...then read the topic THE NORTH AMERICAN UNION TREATY and you will start to see what is to come...
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The Unions backed Clinton because he said he would make changes to NAFTA to protect the American worker and the environment. He lied. That's the lie he should have been impeached for. Just about the first thing he did was pressure NAFTA through Congress. But it also had to do with pressure by the corporate media which was hot on his tail to act on it. They also kept the American people in the dark about the consequences and what was really happening. They riducled Perot. Clinton is a corporate democrat but called himself a "New Democrat."
The majority of our representatives are corporate. We are now a one party state in America, the Corporate Party.
It is all part of Corporate Globalization and it actually began under Reagan but he called it something to the effect of his "Global Trade initiative." He and Bush Sr both gave tax breaks and incentives for business to move to Central America. It devastated our Manufacturing Sector. The corporate media and pundits blamed the workers and the unions but workers in America deserve a livable wage and fair share of the pie.
Bush Sr was suffering from a backlash due to the recession that was left over from Reagan's and his first term and the unions were mounting opposition to NAFTA so the corporate party and it's mouthpieces the corporate media backed Clinton to sell the program to the American people. Which they did.
It was just to increase corporate profits as corporations pit the American and European workers against sweatshop labor in 3rd world and developing nations to see who will work for the least, give up the most benefits and environmental protections. It is called "a race to the bottom" for the workers while corporate profits rise. And it is just what we are seeing happening.
We need international unions that will protect all workers around the world. People should read up on Labor History, it is one part of our history that is left out of our education and our corporate media. People died, were beaten and jailed for the right of an 8 hour day, 5 day work week, safe working conditions and labor rights. All which have been chipped away by the "Reagan Revolution."
Also, the Full Employment rate is only 65%.
With all due respect, here is my take on what you have posted:
I think that we get so involved in analyzing the situations that we see going on around us. This is a good thing. Having said that, it is also smart to stand back and look at the whole picture. This country started as an agricultural economy. Then it grew into an industrial/manufacturing economy (thus leaving the farmers out of work), now our economy - because we are so advanced - has grown into a technological economy (thus leaving industrial and manufacturing out in the cold). Yes, people will lose their jobs. They always have. However, our country is growing and developing, and this is our growing pains. Trade is detrimental to any country. Why waste time and precious resources producing things that other countries can produce better, cheaper, and faster. It gives their economy a much needed boost (such as third world countries who are still in the first stage of developement - agriculture); and our country gets these products cheaper and the freedom to use our resources on things of much greater importance.
These corporations that some view as anti-american are the same corporations that pay a large amount of our federal tax bill and supply us with jobs.
As for unions, I am not much for setting high pay scales for workers unless they are truly worth it. I say let the market handle this. Unionization is a disincentive for a company. Who wants to "have" to hire people who are guarenteed a higher wage then an average worker. The disincentive is when you get these high paid workers in a job and they perform at a low level of performance...because they can...their pay is locked in. It is almost the reverse of capping salaries of CEO's or athletes, they have a disincentive - to perform in a less productive manner...because they are capped...it doesn't matter, they won't be paid anymore anyway. If the pay scale is to low, do not take the job, or take the job long enough to find a better paying job. These companies can't afford to pay workers so little money that their workers can't survive. After all, who will buy their products...their employees. The market will take care of itself if left alone.
Whoever plans on blasting me for this, please keep in mind, the things I have stated come from looking at the situation from a very broad perspective for future growth. Also, I learned this in my Economics class from UA. Not bad, huh!!
Not bad, sl!
If the highly skilled workers at Wise are underpaid, they an go get jobs elsewhere where they will be properly appreciated.
DF
If the highly skilled workers at Wise are underpaid, they an go get jobs elsewhere where they will be properly appreciated.
DF
SLGREEN1999
First let me commend you for your willingness to put forth yrou views on this subject. I hope you did not take economic lessons from Professor Jim Crouch...if you did, you may want to go to the UNA office and get your money back...you got JIPPED....
The main problem with outsourcing all of your manufacturing and agriculture to other countries is, if history has shown us one thing....Nothing Remains Stable...everything is in constant change...Political leaders change, economics change, political conflicts change, etc...No! Country's leaders should allow his country to outsource so much, that they have to be dependent on other countries to survive...
We have allowed ourselves to be in that position...We have become a debtor nation...our coffers are empty...China and Russia could SINK THE DOLLAR VALUE just by dumping what they hold in their reserves(which puts us in a position of economic blackmail...and china threatened that last month)...A majority of our military uniforms are made in china by companies owned by the Chinese military...We have some of our ports to being managed by companies, fronted by the chinese government...We have allowed ourselves to be dependent on energy resources from unstable regions...
The Top Economist in the United States gave a formal endorsement to NAFTA...They stated, it was going to be the best thing, next to your fantasy of having sex with your significant other...Well! History has shown us the result of that little treaty...
YES! and NO! Do you Unions have they value and purpose...
Do Unions always look out for not only their interest but the interest of the company...
Sometimes Unions have bullied,backed violence, and almost put companies into bankrupcty because of their demands...when union officials do that, it becomes extortion and criminal...
I am at the age now where I do not see so much in a idealistic ways and the rose color has faded from my corneas...which tends to make me see a lot of grays...I wish the unions and management had the same goals...a lot of our manufacturing that went overseas or south would still be here in the U.S....
But the die has been set and you are already starting to see some of the major changes coming at ya, with the Mexican Drivers now being allowed to deliver their goods from point A in Mexico to Point B in the U.S. without dropping off to an American Driver...
First let me commend you for your willingness to put forth yrou views on this subject. I hope you did not take economic lessons from Professor Jim Crouch...if you did, you may want to go to the UNA office and get your money back...you got JIPPED....
The main problem with outsourcing all of your manufacturing and agriculture to other countries is, if history has shown us one thing....Nothing Remains Stable...everything is in constant change...Political leaders change, economics change, political conflicts change, etc...No! Country's leaders should allow his country to outsource so much, that they have to be dependent on other countries to survive...
We have allowed ourselves to be in that position...We have become a debtor nation...our coffers are empty...China and Russia could SINK THE DOLLAR VALUE just by dumping what they hold in their reserves(which puts us in a position of economic blackmail...and china threatened that last month)...A majority of our military uniforms are made in china by companies owned by the Chinese military...We have some of our ports to being managed by companies, fronted by the chinese government...We have allowed ourselves to be dependent on energy resources from unstable regions...
The Top Economist in the United States gave a formal endorsement to NAFTA...They stated, it was going to be the best thing, next to your fantasy of having sex with your significant other...Well! History has shown us the result of that little treaty...
YES! and NO! Do you Unions have they value and purpose...
Do Unions always look out for not only their interest but the interest of the company...
Sometimes Unions have bullied,backed violence, and almost put companies into bankrupcty because of their demands...when union officials do that, it becomes extortion and criminal...
I am at the age now where I do not see so much in a idealistic ways and the rose color has faded from my corneas...which tends to make me see a lot of grays...I wish the unions and management had the same goals...a lot of our manufacturing that went overseas or south would still be here in the U.S....
But the die has been set and you are already starting to see some of the major changes coming at ya, with the Mexican Drivers now being allowed to deliver their goods from point A in Mexico to Point B in the U.S. without dropping off to an American Driver...
quote:Originally posted by traderconnections:
SLGREEN1999
First let me commend you for your willingness to put forth yrou views on this subject. I hope you did not take economic lessons from Professor Jim Crouch...if you did, you may want to go to the UNA office and get your money back...you got JIPPED....
The main problem with outsourcing all of your manufacturing and agriculture to other countries is, if history has shown us one thing....Nothing Remains Stable...everything is in constant change...Political leaders change, economics change, political conflicts change, etc...No! Country's leaders should allow his country to outsource so much, that they have to be dependent on other countries to survive...
We have allowed ourselves to be in that position...We have become a debtor nation...our coffers are empty...China and Russia could SINK THE DOLLAR VALUE just by dumping what they hold in their reserves(which puts us in a position of economic blackmail...and china threatened that last month)...A majority of our military uniforms are made in china by companies owned by the Chinese military...We have some of our ports to being managed by companies, fronted by the chinese government...We have allowed ourselves to be dependent on energy resources from unstable regions...
The Top Economist in the United States gave a formal endorsement to NAFTA...They stated, it was going to be the best thing, next to your fantasy of having sex with your significant other...Well! History has shown us the result of that little treaty...
YES! and NO! Do you Unions have they value and purpose...
Do Unions always look out for not only their interest but the interest of the company...
Sometimes Unions have bullied,backed violence, and almost put companies into bankrupcty because of their demands...when union officials do that, it becomes extortion and criminal...
I am at the age now where I do not see so much in a idealistic ways and the rose color has faded from my corneas...which tends to make me see a lot of grays...I wish the unions and management had the same goals...a lot of our manufacturing that went overseas or south would still be here in the U.S....
But the die has been set and you are already starting to see some of the major changes coming at ya, with the Mexican Drivers now being allowed to deliver their goods from point A in Mexico to Point B in the U.S. without dropping off to an American Driver...
You know, we can hash, re-hash and even hash this subject till the cows come home. We can blame this president, that president, this company and that company, this politician's promises and that politician's promises all we want and it still don't change the fact that we are LOSING our Country!!!
To heck with any of the history behind it, we are living TODAY and TOMORROW and each day that follows we are being taken over. Oh it has been going on for a while, of course it has!!! Ever so slowly so "We the People" wouldn't fuss and have a fit about it and choke on all the 'promises' from all the crooked politicians out there who pad their OWN pockets with all this stuff.
Bottom line is we are about to go through a wave in our Country that will leave all of us reeling. CORPORATE AMERICA has turned against us with the help of the 'pocket padding politicians, lying through their teeth' and we are going to suffer.
BUT WHO IS GOING TO SUFFER MOST???? Our Children, our Grandchildren and the generations thereafter. What a sad state of affairs we are leaving them!!!
It matters NONE at this point WHO is to blame, and right now, it is something NONE Of us can do anything about. WE ARE LOSING AMERICA as we know it. It is obvious in everything you see and everything you read and everything you hear. There is NO turning back for the biggest part of us here on the forum, and our hopes and dreams for a better life for our offspring is even a dim aspect.
Yep, America, as we know it (or knew it) is gone. September 11th sent us a message and we have been slowly sucked up by corporate hype ever since. People are getting mega-rich off the working class citizens.
Yes, I am pro-union, and at this point I can see ABSOLUTELY NO OTHER WAY out of the mess we have ALLOWED our elected officials to get us in. THE PEOPLE need to organize and throw them ALL out and get people in there who will SAVE AMERICA, the ECONOMY and the FUTURE.
Think I am crazy and just spouting off??? Well, open your ears and eyes, and please don't forget to put your seatbelt on, we are in for the roughest ride ever.
OH AND FOR THE RECORD-There is NOT nearly as many Teamsters going to lose their hard working driving jobs as our non-union drivers who work 6-7 days a week just to keep bills paid and food on the table for their family because of this insane "Mexican Drivers" that are now allowed to drive our highways. It is NOT the Unions that will be hurt on that aspect. THINK LONG AND HARD, look at the drivers you know, and understand that the VAST MAJORITY of our truck drivers belong to NO union and they will be the ones hurt.
SO NOW WHAT??????????????????
You are correct when you say little Joe has no friends....Just "YES" men who ill probably be out the door as soon as the ABB deal goes thru as well. There is no loyalty in this company. The reasons they have downsized to what they are now, is because people like Little Joe P. and The Wade Autens of Wise ALloys, have led David D'Arrio to believe this plant can run effiecintly with less people, less safety, and rotating schedules. I am sure that this will all be a big write off for D'Arrio, then he can go crawl back under the mansion he came from...as for the "yes" men..I will see you in the unemployment line soon.....
Jobless in the USA
Paul Craig Roberts
Thursday, Aug. 7, 2003
Throughout history, peoples have been overcome by trends and forces that they were unable to recognize. Could the United States be losing its economy to forces economists mistake for benevolent free trade?
Traditionally, free trade has required a country's workforce to compete indirectly against the workforces of other countries in the markets for traded goods and services. Fears in the post-WW II era that U.S. wages and living standards would be undermined by imports made with cheap foreign labor proved to be wrong. U.S. labor was better educated and worked with more and better capital and technology, which made American labor much more productive. Higher productivity protected U.S. wages and employment from cheap foreign labor.
The collapse of world socialism and the rise of globalism have made U.S. capital, technology and business know-how highly mobile. Today, it is as easy – and far less expensive – for a U.S. firm to produce abroad for U.S. markets. Instead of locating its capital and technology in Ohio, California or South Carolina, the company locates its facility in China, for example.
By locating in China, the firm substitutes a workforce that is paid less than a dollar an hour for U.S. labor that costs $26 an hour. By locating in China, the firm also avoids expensive regulations, torts, employment taxes and discrimination lawsuits.
The mobility of capital and technology means that American labor now faces direct competition in global labor markets. This is a new development.
A Chinese person working with U.S. capital and technology is just as productive as an American. The Chinese worker can be hired for much less, because living standards and the cost of living are far lower in China.
The huge labor surplus in countries such as China and India means that wages are not likely to rise very rapidly in those countries. U.S. firms that substitute Chinese and Indian labor for U.S. employees are building in lower labor costs for years to come.
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/8/6/132901.shtml
Paul Craig Roberts
Thursday, Aug. 7, 2003
Throughout history, peoples have been overcome by trends and forces that they were unable to recognize. Could the United States be losing its economy to forces economists mistake for benevolent free trade?
Traditionally, free trade has required a country's workforce to compete indirectly against the workforces of other countries in the markets for traded goods and services. Fears in the post-WW II era that U.S. wages and living standards would be undermined by imports made with cheap foreign labor proved to be wrong. U.S. labor was better educated and worked with more and better capital and technology, which made American labor much more productive. Higher productivity protected U.S. wages and employment from cheap foreign labor.
The collapse of world socialism and the rise of globalism have made U.S. capital, technology and business know-how highly mobile. Today, it is as easy – and far less expensive – for a U.S. firm to produce abroad for U.S. markets. Instead of locating its capital and technology in Ohio, California or South Carolina, the company locates its facility in China, for example.
By locating in China, the firm substitutes a workforce that is paid less than a dollar an hour for U.S. labor that costs $26 an hour. By locating in China, the firm also avoids expensive regulations, torts, employment taxes and discrimination lawsuits.
The mobility of capital and technology means that American labor now faces direct competition in global labor markets. This is a new development.
A Chinese person working with U.S. capital and technology is just as productive as an American. The Chinese worker can be hired for much less, because living standards and the cost of living are far lower in China.
The huge labor surplus in countries such as China and India means that wages are not likely to rise very rapidly in those countries. U.S. firms that substitute Chinese and Indian labor for U.S. employees are building in lower labor costs for years to come.
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/8/6/132901.shtml
quote:Originally posted by justthinking:
You are correct when you say little Joe has no friends....Just "YES" men who ill probably be out the door as soon as the ABB deal goes thru as well. There is no loyalty in this company. The reasons they have downsized to what they are now, is because people like Little Joe P. and The Wade Autens of Wise ALloys, have led David D'Arrio to believe this plant can run effiecintly with less people, less safety, and rotating schedules. I am sure that this will all be a big write off for D'Arrio, then he can go crawl back under the mansion he came from...as for the "yes" men..I will see you in the unemployment line soon.....
I think "WISE" (what a name, lol) is doing EXACTLY what they planned from day one, they just had to do it slowly so the people would be acclimated to it.
quote:Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:quote:Originally posted by justthinking:
You are correct when you say little Joe has no friends....Just "YES" men who ill probably be out the door as soon as the ABB deal goes thru as well. There is no loyalty in this company. The reasons they have downsized to what they are now, is because people like Little Joe P. and The Wade Autens of Wise ALloys, have led David D'Arrio to believe this plant can run effiecintly with less people, less safety, and rotating schedules. I am sure that this will all be a big write off for D'Arrio, then he can go crawl back under the mansion he came from...as for the "yes" men..I will see you in the unemployment line soon.....
I think "WISE" (what a name, lol) is doing EXACTLY what they planned from day one, they just had to do it slowly so the people would be acclimated to it.
It would be nice if these folks could pull a Johnny Paycheck and say Take This Job And Shove IT!!! But they can't afford to do that.
30 years ago next summer,I returned to my ROOTS in the Shoals,My parents left here in '46 cause there were NO Jobs here after ww2. most of my family works UNION construction. so they settled in da big city up nawth.when I returned here in '78, you could work anywhere, Yellow Creek,tom-bigby,Colbert,Reynolds,Ford,Union Carbbde,Rust was doing the paper mill in Courtland,Browns Ferry(7 days a week),the dams needed people,the fert. plant on the res.the service shop2,the the smaler non-union shops,tee shirts,Robbins rubber, etc. now most are gone.my parents (now 86) said the last time they were here that they hadn't seen it this bad in Florence except in '46!!!and now I'm in China tring to make a buck.thankx RR
quote:Originally posted by pipepat:
30 years ago next summer,I returned to my ROOTS in the Shoals,My parents left here in '46 cause there were NO Jobs here after ww2. most of my family works UNION construction. so they settled in da big city up nawth.when I returned here in '78, you could work anywhere, Yellow Creek,tom-bigby,Colbert,Reynolds,Ford,Union Carbbde,Rust was doing the paper mill in Courtland,Browns Ferry(7 days a week),the dams needed people,the fert. plant on the res.the service shop2,the the smaler non-union shops,tee shirts,Robbins rubber, etc. now most are gone.my parents (now 86) said the last time they were here that they hadn't seen it this bad in Florence except in '46!!!and now I'm in China tring to make a buck.thankx RR
Pipepat, I remember those days well! Ever since Reagan, it has been a sad song for the working middle class.
Democrats give unions new clout
By Ken Dilanian, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — The Democratic majority in Congress, which was elected with the help of $57.6 million in campaign contributions from unions, has pushed measures to increase wages on public projects, ease rules for unionizing workplaces and cut funding for corruption investigators.
Veto threats from President Bush and opposition by Republicans in the Senate, where the rules allow the minority to block legislation, have prevented those and other union-endorsed proposals from becoming law. But labor lobbyists say they are setting the stage for 2009, when they expect a Democrat in the White House.
One immediate impact of labor's clout has come in trade policy: Democrats are demanding union-backed changes to environmental, worker safety and other elements of four trade agreements negotiated by the Bush administration with South Korea, Colombia, Panama and Peru. Trade agreements require congressional approval.
"It's pure political payoff," said Rick Berman, a corporate lobbyist and public relations consultant who directs the Center for Union Facts, an anti-labor group. "The unions said, 'We got the money. You listen to us or you're going hungry.' "
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-09-10-democrats-union_N.htm
By Ken Dilanian, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — The Democratic majority in Congress, which was elected with the help of $57.6 million in campaign contributions from unions, has pushed measures to increase wages on public projects, ease rules for unionizing workplaces and cut funding for corruption investigators.
Veto threats from President Bush and opposition by Republicans in the Senate, where the rules allow the minority to block legislation, have prevented those and other union-endorsed proposals from becoming law. But labor lobbyists say they are setting the stage for 2009, when they expect a Democrat in the White House.
One immediate impact of labor's clout has come in trade policy: Democrats are demanding union-backed changes to environmental, worker safety and other elements of four trade agreements negotiated by the Bush administration with South Korea, Colombia, Panama and Peru. Trade agreements require congressional approval.
"It's pure political payoff," said Rick Berman, a corporate lobbyist and public relations consultant who directs the Center for Union Facts, an anti-labor group. "The unions said, 'We got the money. You listen to us or you're going hungry.' "
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-09-10-democrats-union_N.htm
quote:and now I'm in China tring to make a buck.thankx RR
Yeah that will really help, you over there helping the Communist Chinese to compete against an American commodity industry. You'll probably get the freedom award from Bush.
quote:Originally posted by EvilGenius:quote:and now I'm in China tring to make a buck.thankx RR
Yeah that will really help, you over there helping the Communist Chinese to compete against an American commodity industry. You'll probably get the freedom award from Bush.
Impressive huh?
Not helping with the problems, but PART of the problem, a HUGE part too!!! UGH
gotta go where da work is!! they have more freedom over here than we have in the States. I can walk down the streets anytime of the night and not worry about some ********er sticking a gun in my face.besides that all that money I'm making will be brought back and spent in the Shoals!!!when you can't find work at home,you go find it!
Yeah I'm sure it's a veritable paradise. Sounds like you're suggesting we adopt a communist form of government, it really sounds great 
. I'm sure you do alot of posting on their paper's message boards.
. I'm sure you do alot of posting on their paper's message boards.
in the early 60's when in school I once had a prof say that with democracy we started with total FREEDOM with comminism they started with No freedom,we were at the top of the circle headed for each other. Every time our lawmakers make a new law,we lose FREEDOM,every time the commies make a new law they gain freedom.and that some day we will meet in middle. They told me that if Viet Nam fell the whole world would be commie. They lied,I can ride my Harley from one end of Nam to the other. its simple over here "don't break the law" if you deal drugs,you die, corrupt politican YOU die,steal from the state you die.this puts alot of lawers and judges and jailers out of work.Right now I'm learning Spanish so I will be able to communicate when I return home!
Big money and big business, corporations and commerce, are again the undisputed overlords of politics and government. The White House, the Congress and, increasingly, the judiciary, reflect their interests. We appear to have a government run by remote control from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the National Association of Manufacturers and the American Petroleum Institute. To hell with everyone else: Bill Moyers - PBS Commentator
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Money becomes evil not when it is used to buy goods but when it is used to buy power... economic inequalities become evil when they are translated into political inequalities: Samuel Huntington - Political Scientist
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Money becomes evil not when it is used to buy goods but when it is used to buy power... economic inequalities become evil when they are translated into political inequalities: Samuel Huntington - Political Scientist
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PBA
I agree with your assessment in the above statement...our congressional and Senate Leaders have become corporate *****s...forget about whether they are republicans or democrats...both parties carry a equal bag of "on the take rocks".
I agree with your assessment in the above statement...our congressional and Senate Leaders have become corporate *****s...forget about whether they are republicans or democrats...both parties carry a equal bag of "on the take rocks".
Highly paid union jobs and unchecked illegal immigration are mutually incompatible.
YET! the unions favor illegal immigration. So, I have no sympathy for them.
DF
YET! the unions favor illegal immigration. So, I have no sympathy for them.
DF
quote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
Highly paid union jobs and unchecked illegal immigration are mutually incompatible.
YET! the unions favor illegal immigration. So, I have no sympathy for them.
DF
DF, Please explain better if you will please.How do you come up the unions favor illegal immigration? please explain!
quote:Originally posted by traderconnections:
PBA
I agree with your assessment in the above statement...our congressional and Senate Leaders have become corporate *****s...forget about whether they are republicans or democrats...both parties carry a equal bag of "on the take rocks".
Thanks and remember when corporations rule government then you have facism.
quote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
Highly paid union jobs and unchecked illegal immigration are mutually incompatible.
YET! the unions favor illegal immigration. So, I have no sympathy for them.
DF
Can you please explain so I can tell my husband (who is very pro-union). Why would unions want illegal immigrants? Thanks!
we need to get back to why this thread was started,(look at the hits)this is about about a jewish junk firm(Wise) and a new jersey *** comming to Ala.and buying a Alum factory!and screwing local workers out of bennys for their profit!!if we want to talk politics I will go to that section and open a thread,as for the China thing,it all started in june 10 1971 when Richard (tricky dicky) Nixon anounced it would be in the best intrest of our country to OPEN trade with CHINA, so this all gets back to ANTI-UNION money & WAR loving REPUBLICANS!!!and deep fat has had his brain fried in it!!!when I vote its easy,there is one little box in the right corrnor, that says ALL DEMOCRATS, all I know is that when demo"s are in office I work at home when money loving- war loving REPUBLICANS are in office I have to leave home (Florence) and find work!!Oh BTW in Viet Nam now they refer to what we call Viet Nam war to the Americia's War,kinda like we call Savanna highway, in Savanna call it the Florence highway...and I still can't buy Cubean cigars....
Gladly.
Here is but one quick example.
http://www.americanpatrol.com/07-FEATURES/070904-COMMU-.../070903_Feature.html
DF
Here is but one quick example.
http://www.americanpatrol.com/07-FEATURES/070904-COMMU-.../070903_Feature.html
DF
Oh, and what's more...
http://www.aflcio.org/aboutus/thisistheaflcio/ecouncil/ec02272006e.cfm
In which it says, among other thing,
They're smoking something.
DF
http://www.aflcio.org/aboutus/thisistheaflcio/ecouncil/ec02272006e.cfm
In which it says, among other thing,
quote:Immigrant workers, like all workers, should be full social partners. We will continue to support effective, credible and enforceable rights for all workers, regardless of their country of origin or immigration status. At the same time, we will ensure that our member mobilization efforts include our immigrant brothers and sisters, and ultimately place immigration squarely within a progressive and sustainable economic agenda that benefits all working families in our nation.
They're smoking something.
DF
quote:Originally posted by justthinking:
Contract negotiatons are a joke. The owners of Wise Alloys are about to contract Maintence, Electrical, Oilers, Crane operators, etc. , out to a non- union company. Employees now have been told they can put in applications with everyone else to be considered for the jobs they are already doing. And then, they are only hiring about half of the number of people that are currently employed. The owners and Salary personel of Wise Alloys have t aken a thriving business from the Shoals that many of our parents, grandparents, helped to make this
community profitable, and have run it in the ground. It is simply that old saying "Money is the root of all EVIL." They are greedy. They have no compassion or respect for their employees. Its okay to ask a whole department to stay over so salary can make their quota, yet they can't tell us if we will have a job tommorow..........
Wise should get Bobby Irons back since he was the so called "savior" before when there were problems. What a joke he is too!
quote:Originally posted by pipepat:
we need to get back to why this thread was started,(look at the hits)this is about about a jewish junk firm(Wise) and a new jersey *** comming to Ala.and buying a Alum factory!and screwing local workers out of bennys for their profit!!
Would you local "workers" be better off without Wise Alloys? Would you have mortgaged your homes and bought the plant as a co-op and self-managed it?
And you seem you seem to have a problem with our Hebrew brothers and sisters. Got Bigotry? You should kiss those NJ boys' feet.
Wise Alloys should be cherished as a tax and job generating business, not pilloried by entitlement-minded ignoramuses who couldn't get a better job.
DF
Aleris Aluminum: Rumor is they have made a proposal to buy. Could this have something to do with Wise bringing in ABB?
I think this would be good! The article is in American Metal Market mag. which I can't get cause it's $700/yr.but someone at the plant should have a copy. Aleris knows how to run a rolling mill,and treat people right. I think they usually run Union shops.The only reason ABB was coming on board was that they told them they could save them 3 mill/yr. I know whos idea it was not going to mention names. but he works there!
FYI,a little info about Aleris you won't find on the web,"Aleris International Inc. emerged from the merger of US companies Imco Recycling Inc and Commonwealth Alum Corp. in 2004.At the beginning of 2006, Aleris took over the rolling and extrusion operations of Corus Alum in Canada,Europe and China. Aleris opperates a number of alum recycling and rolling facilities in the US and Europe" around 9,000 employees. good luck guys this could be good it it goes thru.
quote:Originally posted by DeepFat:
Gladly.
Here is but one quick example.
http://www.americanpatrol.com/07-FEATURES/070904-COMMU-.../070903_Feature.html
DF
Raynor? LOL... OH well
Unions as well as ALL of AMERICANS has been hollering IMMIGRATION REFORM for so long I can't even remember, so these links are moot points.
A LOT of these articles were stemmed from all of our ancestors being an immigrant at one time or another, maybe even illegal at one time.
I am hoping that somehow, someway that the ABB decision will end up helping our area, but I KNOW ABB and I also know the "head man in charge of decisions" at Wise.
ABB is a FOREIGN Country and the Unions don't have anything to do with them coming into any of our industry, it is MANAGEMENT that does that.
I see absolutely NO merit to the two links you posted and this topic.
quote:Originally posted by pipepat:
I think this would be good! The article is in American Metal Market mag. which I can't get cause it's $700/yr.but someone at the plant should have a copy. Aleris knows how to run a rolling mill,and treat people right. I think they usually run Union shops.The only reason ABB was coming on board was that they told them they could save them 3 mill/yr. I know whos idea it was not going to mention names. but he works there!
And ABB has never lied, or should I say embellished anything, lol. They are cost PLUS, and when the PLUS comes in, the 3 mil a year will be theirs, not our area's or the workers.
after having dinner with SMS last night (one German & one Canadan) they were laughing saying glad SMS got the money up front on the 3-stand wideing job..(them Germans ain't dummys)also they just got a billion euro contract for mills in Russia.waiting on who gets the equip. on south alabama,(2 billion US)its either VAI or them.(oct 1 contract will be let)they also were not impressed with Aleris,turns out half of their shops are union and the takeover of Commonwealth was a hostal takeover not a meger.but they have the money to do this..but maybe just maybe they said to da Daggeo in charge that you be the bad guys bust the unions nuts and lower overhead and we will be the good guys and buy out...hummm all starting to come together..BTW Wise is losing money cause of the price of Alum. not cause of Unions, they have lost money 2 years in a row.but have made money with the re-cycling end cause they buy from themselves...ummm
Democrats give unions new clout
By Ken Dilanian, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — The Democratic majority in Congress, which was elected with the help of $57.6 million in campaign contributions from unions, has pushed measures to increase wages on public projects, ease rules for unionizing workplaces and cut funding for corruption investigators.
Veto threats from President Bush and opposition by Republicans in the Senate, where the rules allow the minority to block legislation, have prevented those and other union-endorsed proposals from becoming law. But labor lobbyists say they are setting the stage for 2009, when they expect a Democrat in the White House.
One immediate impact of labor's clout has come in trade policy: Democrats are demanding union-backed changes to environmental, worker safety and other elements of four trade agreements negotiated by the Bush administration with South Korea, Colombia, Panama and Peru. Trade agreements require congressional approval.
"It's pure political payoff," said Rick Berman, a corporate lobbyist and public relations consultant who directs the Center for Union Facts, an anti-labor group. "The unions said, 'We got the money. You listen to us or you're going hungry.' "
democrats-union_N.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-09-10-democrats-union_N.htm
By Ken Dilanian, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — The Democratic majority in Congress, which was elected with the help of $57.6 million in campaign contributions from unions, has pushed measures to increase wages on public projects, ease rules for unionizing workplaces and cut funding for corruption investigators.
Veto threats from President Bush and opposition by Republicans in the Senate, where the rules allow the minority to block legislation, have prevented those and other union-endorsed proposals from becoming law. But labor lobbyists say they are setting the stage for 2009, when they expect a Democrat in the White House.
One immediate impact of labor's clout has come in trade policy: Democrats are demanding union-backed changes to environmental, worker safety and other elements of four trade agreements negotiated by the Bush administration with South Korea, Colombia, Panama and Peru. Trade agreements require congressional approval.
"It's pure political payoff," said Rick Berman, a corporate lobbyist and public relations consultant who directs the Center for Union Facts, an anti-labor group. "The unions said, 'We got the money. You listen to us or you're going hungry.' "
democrats-union_N.htm
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-09-10-democrats-union_N.htm
>>>"It's pure political payoff," said Rick Berman, a corporate lobbyist and public relations consultant who directs the Center for Union Facts, an anti-labor group. "The unions said, 'We got the money. You listen to us or you're going hungry.' " <<<
Ah,USA Today always manages to find some corporate shill to discredit unions, doesn't it? Actually, though, it appears this guy Berman is more than just a shill. He's apparently trying to be a corporate "knight-in-shining-armor" trying to slay the dragon of working people uniting for a better life.
When will the working people of this country wake up and realize there are at least 125 million of us as compared to a few million like Berman? If the working people of this country ever get their act together, we won't see any more organizations that want to be billed as "anti-labor" groups.
BTW: $65 million may seem like a lot in union political contributions to the elections in 2006, but a little math shows it actually works out to less than $5.00 per union member.
Ah,USA Today always manages to find some corporate shill to discredit unions, doesn't it? Actually, though, it appears this guy Berman is more than just a shill. He's apparently trying to be a corporate "knight-in-shining-armor" trying to slay the dragon of working people uniting for a better life.
When will the working people of this country wake up and realize there are at least 125 million of us as compared to a few million like Berman? If the working people of this country ever get their act together, we won't see any more organizations that want to be billed as "anti-labor" groups.
BTW: $65 million may seem like a lot in union political contributions to the elections in 2006, but a little math shows it actually works out to less than $5.00 per union member.
quote:When will the working people of this country wake up and realize there are at least 125 million of us as compared to a few million like Berman?
It's the few people like Berman who create jobs for those 125 million. When did the unions ever start a business?
DF
My understanding...
1. Is that they needed to save money just like any other company.
2. Employees are promised same benefits if not better.
3. There will be one union instead of the nine. They are encouraging the union!
I think this is a good thing. My understanding is that it will help, not hurt us. I may be naive! But thats just one girls opinion!
1. Is that they needed to save money just like any other company.
2. Employees are promised same benefits if not better.
3. There will be one union instead of the nine. They are encouraging the union!
I think this is a good thing. My understanding is that it will help, not hurt us. I may be naive! But thats just one girls opinion!