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I was just listening to the Congressional hearing on the BP oil spill.
Joe Martin of Tx apologized to Tony Hayward for getting verbally beat up on by the President.
Are there any of you who think we should be apologizing to BP for being tough on them to get this mess stopped and cleaned up ?

 

 

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I'd just like to know what happened to the BP Managers that were on the Oil Rig, the ones that effectively said do it my way or else. From what I read TranOceanic or the contractors wanted to perform a procedure using abundant safety measures but BP Officials said NO they should use less, to save money, and when the contractors argued the end result was that the BP management on the rig said, to the effect, "It's our rig, we own it, I want to do it this way and that's all there is to it". My way or the Highway.

So I want to know what happened to those BP employees since it was reported that they weren't the ones that died in the rig and were far more responsible than the CEO of the company.

Not taking up for the CEO for their policies tend to follow through the the other management officials but nothing has been said of the BP officials ON the rig at the time of the explosion who made executive decisions that led to the explosion and the deaths.
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I'm not sure I'll be completely happy until some of these BP officers are in Angola, and some more are in Parchman.


I agree with throwing those BP officials who made the executive decisions that led to the explosion in jail along with those MMS employees who were tasked to ensure the operation was safe. It is apparent that those employees who replaced the former employees caught in the ethics probe during the last administration are worse. Apparently a guv'ment worker too unindustrious to take a bribe or party with the oil company floosies is too lazy to inspect the oil rigs.
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Originally posted by Flatus the Ancient:
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I'm not sure I'll be completely happy until some of these BP officers are in Angola, and some more are in Parchman.


I agree with throwing those BP officials who made the executive decisions that led to the explosion in jail along with those MMS employees who were tasked to ensure the operation was safe. It is apparent that those employees who replaced the former employees caught in the ethics probe during the last administration are worse. Apparently a guv'ment worker too unindustrious to take a bribe or party with the oil company floosies is too lazy to inspect the oil rigs.

Yep, them too !
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Originally posted by gbrk:
I'd just like to know what happened to the BP Managers that were on the Oil Rig, the ones that effectively said do it my way or else. From what I read TranOceanic or the contractors wanted to perform a procedure using abundant safety measures but BP Officials said NO they should use less, to save money, and when the contractors argued the end result was that the BP management on the rig said, to the effect, "It's our rig, we own it, I want to do it this way and that's all there is to it". My way or the Highway.

So I want to know what happened to those BP employees since it was reported that they weren't the ones that died in the rig and were far more responsible than the CEO of the company.

Not taking up for the CEO for their policies tend to follow through the the other management officials but nothing has been said of the BP officials ON the rig at the time of the explosion who made executive decisions that led to the explosion and the deaths.

Yes, the people who made the calls to expedite the rig and disregard safety for sure, but I suspect the direction came from higher up. They will probably try what the Nazis tried at the Nuremberg Trials by saying "it wasn't me, my boss told me to ..." They didn't get out of trouble then, this bunch shouldn't get out now.
Don't know about Angola, but Parchman has a LOT of cotton that needs to be chopped. They can hold a lot of people there.

Lots of people on this forum have accused Obama of apologizing to the world. Whether or not you believe that is probably whether or not you get your news and viewpoint from FOX , but this dirtbag representative actually said "I apologize to you "(Tony Haward) to his face, on TV in front of the whole world.
What is it with people in Texas that would elect such a sorry excuse of a person to represent them.
I trust the BP CEO over Obama any day. At least the guy seems truly apologetic and wants to do the right thing. Everyone is out on a lynching right now without really even knowing the facts. I will reserve my judgment until they find out what exactly happened to the rig to make it explode. If they find out there was truly negligence on anyone's side then by all means imprison them. I have my own beliefs on why the rig exploded.
I agree with tada. Obama's tough talk is only because his ratings are dropping faster than BP's stock prices. Now is not the time to be placing blame. Now is the time to get the leak stopped and oil cleaned up. There is plenty of blame to be placed later on the cause of the explosion and the pitifull lack of leadership from our own government in response to the disaster. We didn't learn a thing from katrina.
Heck I feel sorry for the people who live and work on the coast. I go down there every year. With a disaster of this magnitude it is easy to get ticked off and start going after someone, but we need to be cautious on what we want the government to do and what we want BP to do. I do not live on the coast and all I see is what is on TV.

It seems pretty blatant to me that Obama wants to use the "CRISIS" to his advantage.
1: 11 days before the rig exploded Obama opens up drilling off the coast to placate the right wing.

2: A rig off the gulf coast surprisingly explodes and realeases the most ecological disaster known to the gulf coast and to the U.S.

3: Obama tells everyone that he is going to put a hold on new offshore drilling to placate the left. This is great for him because now he can blame his decision stopping new drilling in the gulf on this catastrophy. We all know how good he is a blaming others.

4: Obama goes on live TV and says the only way we can get away from oil is to push through his Cap & Trade bill. He gave no details on what was happening in the gulf and what their plans were to stop it. Except to pass a Bill.

5:Our governemnt turned away outside help from other countries while the spill keeps getting bigger.

I truly believe that Obama wants to make this spill as catastrophic as possible to push through green agenda at the expense of our enviroment, economy, and lives of people on the Gulf Coast.

Call me crazy but eveything that has happened is just too coincidental and too convenient.
The first of the hearings is over with and I believe Hayward did a good job at keeping the dogs at bay. How can he answer any of the questions without a investigation. It was all about speculation just to try and get the guy to hang himself. He didn't fall for it and kept his composure. Most of those questions could not be answered by anyone except the engineers and people on-site when the rig was installed.

Dog and Pony show to take some of the blame off of congress and the administration by grilling Hayward.

People, Hayward is just a CEO, not an engineer and does not oversee everyday operations on oil rigs. Why do you have to swear someone in Congress just for their opinion?
My apology, the jerk's name is Joe Barton (R) from Texas, not Martin.
He stands FOR protecting the oil companies, and AGAINST the people who make their living on the Gulf by fishing, providing services for tourism, and all the people who love to go down there, as well as anybody who loves seafood.
He obviously has a different view of who he is supposed to be representing than I do.
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Originally posted by girlzzz curlzzzz:
I still am convinced that this was a form of terrorism. Has anyone else had that suspicion? Especially after I read last night about the ocean floor collapsing and causing a huge tidal wave.


I have heard others talk about the possibility. They think the timing is very suspicious. They said the rig survived Hurricane Katrina, but now there is a problem and suddenly there is an explosion at the top of the rig. I don't know if their information is correct or not, but they believe it to be.
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Originally posted by canade:
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Originally posted by girlzzz curlzzzz:
I still am convinced that this was a form of terrorism. Has anyone else had that suspicion? Especially after I read last night about the ocean floor collapsing and causing a huge tidal wave.


I have heard others talk about the possibility. They think the timing is very suspicious. They said the rig survived Hurricane Katrina, but now there is a problem and suddenly there is an explosion at the top of the rig. I don't know if their information is correct or not, but they believe it to be.

BTW, while we are at it, the "rig" Deepwater Horizon, like all these drilling "boats" are required to be flagged like any other ship. The nation with the least stringent safety requirements is the Marshall Islands.
Anyone want to take a guess what country the Deepwater Horizon was flagged out of ?
i have a question.
i don't want anyone to think i'm defending anyone here, cause i'm not - just looking for clarification.

i was wondering, while i saw some bit on the news abotu the congressional verbal assault on this guy - isn't this a CEO of a british company?

i was wondering exactly how, in a legal sense, is this guy answerable to the US government?

morally, ethiclly, certainly.. he and his board all need to be raked over the coals.

i was just curious about the legal side here..
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Originally posted by thenagel:
i have a question.
i don't want anyone to think i'm defending anyone here, cause i'm not - just looking for clarification.

i was wondering, while i saw some bit on the news abotu the congressional verbal assault on this guy - isn't this a CEO of a british company?

i was wondering exactly how, in a legal sense, is this guy answerable to the US government?

morally, ethiclly, certainly.. he and his board all need to be raked over the coals.

i was just curious about the legal side here..

Yes, but his company's crime against nature was committed in US waters. England and the US have mutual extradition agreements. His company's crime can be prosecuted here.
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Originally posted by tada:

5:Our governemnt turned away outside help from other countries while the spill keeps getting bigger.



Since this has been a new talking point that a lot of people took at face value without thinking about it, did you know that just about every offer of equipment or expertise from other countries require that the US reimburse that country? http://www.google.com/hostedne...qN56oflzqFAD9GDSCT01

So what if we took all the offered containers, ships and boom and the tax payer paid for it, until BP reimbursed of course, and we went with the popular Republican approach and waited until all legal proceedings are finished, like say the Exxon Valdez disaster.

Keep in mind that although that was over 20 years ago the legal fight didn't stop until last year, and the $5.3 billion in damages was leveled in the original judgement was reduced to around $861 million by the time all the appeals were processed. A big deal was made during the bailouts was that a lot of the money will never be paid back. Would you have made the same argument if we took the help without a plan on how to pay for all of it, or if after everything is done we only get pennies on the dollar?
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Originally posted by seeweed:
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Originally posted by thenagel:
i have a question.
i don't want anyone to think i'm defending anyone here, cause i'm not - just looking for clarification.

i was wondering, while i saw some bit on the news abotu the congressional verbal assault on this guy - isn't this a CEO of a british company?

i was wondering exactly how, in a legal sense, is this guy answerable to the US government?

morally, ethiclly, certainly.. he and his board all need to be raked over the coals.

i was just curious about the legal side here..

Yes, but his company's crime against nature was committed in US waters. England and the US have mutual extradition agreements. His company's crime can be prosecuted here.


ok.. fair enough. i just wasn't sure of the legality of the situation. it just seemd to me like if Parliment called madoff in for questioning about him being a lying thieving scumbag. i wasn't sure if there was acctual legal obligation, or just a good old buddy system, on a level of nations Smiler
I have now seen news clips (courtesy of FOX) where this dirtbag's sentiment is echoed by Newt Gringrich, Dick Armey, and Michele Bachmann.
I knew these people were dangerous, but now I also realize they are lowlifes . How can they stand against the people of the Gulf ? How can they stand with the people of BP. Do they not care about anything but oil money ? Mad

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