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We are currently adding $4,000,000,000 dollars a day to our debt.  That is 4 BILLION dollars every day.  Who will argue that that is sustainable?  We are in a position where if we don't raise the debt ceiling we have to cut 40% in spending.  Who would argue that a condition of raising the debt ceiling shouldn't include spending cuts?

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Originally Posted by Ronnie P.:

Everyone sees you talking Jimi but you never actually say anything.  Please post Obama's plan so we can read it.  It has just a couple of days to pass and so far none of us have seen it.

 

Kick the can down the road isn't a plan.

His simple plan is to raise the debt ceiling as it was done 17 times by Reagan and seven times by Bush without any other "deal" required. The deb ceiling must be raised. Everything else is just smoke. This argument for tying raising the debt ceiling to anything else in unprecedented in American history.

Some of the frustration spilled into the press briefing room on Tuesday. Reporters peppered Press Secretary Jay Carney with questions about why the White House won’t release something in writing laying out its position.

That would be a risky move, Carney said. If the White House were to do that, "your chances of actually getting an agreement diminish significantly," he added. "That's how it works. You know that’s how it works."

 

The expression of “Know when to hold em” comes to mind. Obama will wait till the last minute to pull out what he wants in the plan and force it down our throats like the Obamacare plan. Also the phrase of “To big to fail” comes to mind, because he is not stupid. I dare him to let our military payroll and SSI benefits stop. He does know what “We the People” means and he does not want to see that in action. None of the politicians what to see that in action Rep or Dem as I believe the number of people affected in that decision would descend on D.C.  It is all for mute as the crooks will do what they want to do and all we can hope for is Impeachment By the People in 2013.

Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
The post by OV2 is a mountain of misinformation. Another Obama-hater emerges.

Yes Jimi, I can not stand him. I did not vote for him. I will not vote for him in 2013. And if anyone that voted for him is not furious with the way he has handeled his chance to make a change. They should take those blinders off.

The Socialist Democrats do not want the public to know anything about what they are trying to do. Their secretive behind closed door deals are in my oppinion criminal. That exactly how we ended up with the Obama Care Law, which is unconstitutional. Here's what Congressman John Conyers

(D-MI) Chairman of the Judicial Committee at the time (7/28/09) at a National Press Club luncheon.
"Speaking about health care reform legislation he said, "What good is reading the bill if it's a thousand pages and you don't have two days and two lawyers to find out what it means after you read the bill?"

They (the socialists) do not want anyone studying to close anything they try to pull over on us.

Obama don't care about anything but is chance for re-election.

 

Skippy

Originally Posted by OpinionsVary2:
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
The post by OV2 is a mountain of misinformation. Another Obama-hater emerges.

Yes Jimi, I can not stand him. I did not vote for him. I will not vote for him in 2013. And if anyone that voted for him is not furious with the way he has handeled his chance to make a change. They should take those blinders off.

No one will vote for him in 2013. Impeachment is not an option for "the  people". Your ignorance of American politics is showing. What foreign country are you from, and why do you hate America?

Originally Posted by skippy delepepper:

The Socialist Democrats do not want the public to know anything about what they are trying to do. Their secretive behind closed door deals are in my oppinion criminal. That exactly how we ended up with the Obama Care Law, which is unconstitutional. Here's what Congressman John Conyers

(D-MI) Chairman of the Judicial Committee at the time (7/28/09) at a National Press Club luncheon.
"Speaking about health care reform legislation he said, "What good is reading the bill if it's a thousand pages and you don't have two days and two lawyers to find out what it means after you read the bill?"

They (the socialists) do not want anyone studying to close anything they try to pull over on us.

Obama don't care about anything but is chance for re-election.

 

Skippy

The ignorant rants of Skippy the Socialist continue, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing, unencumbered by the thought process.

One more time:  THERE CANNOT BE AN "OBAMA" PLAN!  The president has nothing to do with the actual writing of legislation.  There wasn't a George Bush plan when the deficit was raised 7 times or a Ronald Reagan plan when the deficit was raised 17 times.  THERE IS A DEMOCRATIC PLAN which has been proposed by Senator Reid.

 

If you want to call it an "Obama" plan, the only remedy available to the POTUS is invoking an executive order under the 14th amendment. 

 

This is the last time I recommend that Ronnie P and the rest of the teabaggers turn off Fox Noise and get a DVD of Schoolhouse Rock : "How a Bill Becomes A Law"  SHEESH!!!!!!  Being a Foxophile really DOES destroy braincells, doesn't it!!!!!!!!

 

 

 

CBO Score: Senate Plan Cuts Deficits by $2.2 Trillion Over the Next Ten Years

July 27, 2011 10:32 AM

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ABC News' Sunlen Miller (@sunlenmiller) reports:

One day after the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office scored the Boehner plan finding it short on cuts, the CBO this morning released a more favorable score for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s debt ceiling plan. CBO, the nonpartisan budget accounting arm of Congress, estimates that Reid's legislation would reduce budget deficits by about $2.2 trillion over the next ten years. The score could perhaps breathe new momentum into to the Senate plan.  Reid’s plan would raise the debt ceiling by $2. 7 trillion - past the next presidential election and into 2013. The competing proposal from Boehner is a two-step plan that would require another debt ceiling vote in about six months. But don't look for Republicans to flock to Reid's proposal. They have complained that nearly half the cuts in Reid's proposal - $1 trillion - comes from “winding down” of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Republicans have said this is a disingenuous way of counting money that would not have been spent anyway since the wars are already winding down. Discretionary spending cuts in Reid's proposal would result in $840 billion in lower authorized spending, the CBO report said this morning and $750 billion in actual lower outlays in the next ten years. Speaker of the House Boehner’s plan, scored yesterday by the CBO found $850 in savings – less than the Speaker had anticipated. Boehner has delayed a House vote originally scheduled for a vote today in order to find more savings, and rally more votes in the House for the plan. The Senate plan is not scheduled for a vote yet.

Originally Posted by OpinionsVary2:
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
The post by OV2 is a mountain of misinformation. Another Obama-hater emerges.

Yes Jimi, I can not stand him. I did not vote for him. I will not vote for him in 2013. And if anyone that voted for him is not furious with the way he has handeled his chance to make a change. They should take those blinders off.


Who WILL you vote for in 2013?????????????

 

Hang in there Jimi, I know it is frustrating BUT remember it is an exercise in dealing with those who are intentionally uninformed and are not embarrassed to prove it in public, or at least on a public forum.

 

It gets to be rather entertaining after awhile pointing out the stupidity!

Obama has not put forth a plan, he's only demanded a clean bill upping the debt ceiling.  That would only solve half the problem.  The credit rating agencies stated that the other half of the equation is a creditable plan to reduce the debt. 

 

Obama's budget for FY12 was vetoed by the senate 97 to 0.

 

And, yes, Democrats please vote for Obama in 2013.

 

Originally Posted by interventor1212:

Obama has not put forth a plan, he's only demanded a clean bill upping the debt ceiling.  That would only solve half the problem.  The credit rating agencies stated that the other half of the equation is a creditable plan to reduce the debt. 

 

Obama's budget for FY12 was vetoed by the senate 97 to 0.

 

And, yes, Democrats please vote for Obama in 2013.

 

Plans must come from the Congress, not the President. George Bush didn't need a plan. The Republicans just voted to raise the debt ceiling seven times, just as they did 17 times under Reagan. Are you that uninformed, or are you just crazy?

Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by interventor1212:

Obama has not put forth a plan, he's only demanded a clean bill upping the debt ceiling.  That would only solve half the problem.  The credit rating agencies stated that the other half of the equation is a creditable plan to reduce the debt. 

 

Obama's budget for FY12 was vetoed by the senate 97 to 0.

 

And, yes, Democrats please vote for Obama in 2013.

 

Plans must come from the Congress, not the President. George Bush didn't need a plan. The Republicans just voted to raise the debt ceiling seven times, just as they did 17 times under Reagan. Are you that uninformed, or are you just crazy?

 

Jimbo I think your confused.

Who voted to raised the debt ceiling? Answer, Democrats and Republicans voted for debt ceilings.

Do you actually think the republicans were in control during all those votes. Now I’m confused aren’t you democrats claiming that raising the debt is a good thing, If so why did Obama vote against it when he was a Senator? So check your facts like Rocky said so your not replying to something you know nothing to little about. This unfortunately will be semi-annual political dance until we get handle on our spending and debt. Both Republicans and Democrats are in fault for this mess.

 

Skippy

Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by interventor1212:

Obama has not put forth a plan, he's only demanded a clean bill upping the debt ceiling.  That would only solve half the problem.  The credit rating agencies stated that the other half of the equation is a creditable plan to reduce the debt. 

 

Obama's budget for FY12 was vetoed by the senate 97 to 0.

 

And, yes, Democrats please vote for Obama in 2013.

 

Plans must come from the Congress, not the President. George Bush didn't need a plan. The Republicans just voted to raise the debt ceiling seven times, just as they did 17 times under Reagan. Are you that uninformed, or are you just crazy?


I am from this country. Are you? If so, why do you want to destroy it?

Socialism does not work, remember that. Now I really do not agree with Dems and some Repubs my self as any career politician is both a crook and a liar. Or eventually they will become one when in office. But what most of the Dems are trying to do to this country is criminal at best. So if you want to go one liner and talk trash I can do it all day long too. Now where is the Dems plan for the budget? Put up or shut up.

Originally Posted by OpinionsVary2:
Originally Posted by JimiHendrix:
Originally Posted by interventor1212:

Obama has not put forth a plan, he's only demanded a clean bill upping the debt ceiling.  That would only solve half the problem.  The credit rating agencies stated that the other half of the equation is a creditable plan to reduce the debt. 

 

Obama's budget for FY12 was vetoed by the senate 97 to 0.

 

And, yes, Democrats please vote for Obama in 2013.

 

Plans must come from the Congress, not the President. George Bush didn't need a plan. The Republicans just voted to raise the debt ceiling seven times, just as they did 17 times under Reagan. Are you that uninformed, or are you just crazy?


I am from this country. Are you? If so, why do you want to destroy it?

Socialism does not work, remember that. Now I really do not agree with Dems and some Repubs my self as any career politician is both a crook and a liar. Or eventually they will become one when in office. But what most of the Dems are trying to do to this country is criminal at best. So if you want to go one liner and talk trash I can do it all day long too. Now where is the Dems plan for the budget? Put up or shut up.


Take a break Jimi, I got this one for ya.

 

OpinionsVary 2, see you at the polls in the 2013 presidential elections!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

You truly either are a complete idiot (well that is a given it seems) or too stupid to realize you have already made a fool of yourself on this thread, or in all likelihood an idiot who is proud of his stupidity.  

Rocky you are trowing the word idiot pretty loosly for a guy who thinks there is three bodies of the US legislature.





Rocky----

 

  Ah "Skippy" the democrats still have 2 of the 3 legislative bodies.

I can't believe I am trying to debate with someone who uses the term "Tuff cookies" (now I know how the president felt sitting at a table with Eric Cantor before little Eric took his marbles and went home) but it has been the republicans all along who were unwilling to negotiate on ANYTHING and if you will look beyond your own wishful thinking that this type of (behaviour)sic is somehow empowering the GOP and view actual polls, it is very likely that the "tea party" will be over come the 2012 elections.

 

Skippy

Originally Posted by rocky:
 


Take a break Jimi, I got this one for ya.

 

OpinionsVary 2, see you at the polls in the 2013 presidential elections!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

You truly either are a complete idiot (well that is a given it seems) or too stupid to realize you have already made a fool of yourself on this thread, or in all likelihood an idiot who is proud of his stupidity.  

WOW.. Jimi does need the help. Yes I will see ya there. I was there in 2009 as well. How did that go for ya?

Skippy,

You are absolutely right, I should have corrected this to read 2 of the 3 governing bodies.

As for the spelling error, reread you post Skip, what is "trowing"

Skip, don't throw rocks from the glass house.  And I will take my own advise and apologize to Opinionsmayvary 2.  BUT, you DO realize the point I have made several times and Jimi seemingly was trying to make to this poster that the POTUS has no authority to propose legislation for raising the debt ceiling.  This is about the 10th time I have tried to make this point in the last 2 days I have been posting on here and after awhile it gets kind of redundant to keep explaining it.

I remember now how frustrating it can be to try to debate on this forum.

But I should not have displayed my frustration toward this poster who I really have never debated.

Thanks for pointing this out Skip

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Originally Posted by OpinionsVary2:
Originally Posted by rocky:
 


Take a break Jimi, I got this one for ya.

 

OpinionsVary 2, see you at the polls in the 2013 presidential elections!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

You truly either are a complete idiot (well that is a given it seems) or too stupid to realize you have already made a fool of yourself on this thread, or in all likelihood an idiot who is proud of his stupidity.  

WOW.. Jimi does need the help. Yes I will see ya there. I was there in 2009 as well. How did that go for ya?

OH SKIP,

THIS GUY PUT THIS UP WHILE I WAS MAKING MY POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JUST HOW MUCH AM I SUPPOSED TO TAKE????????????????????????

You REALLY cast your vote for POTUS in 2009???????

 

SEE WHY IT GETS SO FRUSTRATING??????

Originally Posted by rocky:
Originally Posted by OpinionsVary2:
Originally Posted by rocky:
 


Take a break Jimi, I got this one for ya.

 

OpinionsVary 2, see you at the polls in the 2013 presidential elections!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

You truly either are a complete idiot (well that is a given it seems) or too stupid to realize you have already made a fool of yourself on this thread, or in all likelihood an idiot who is proud of his stupidity.  

WOW.. Jimi does need the help. Yes I will see ya there. I was there in 2009 as well. How did that go for ya?

OH SKIP,

THIS GUY PUT THIS UP WHILE I WAS MAKING MY POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JUST HOW MUCH AM I SUPPOSED TO TAKE????????????????????????

You REALLY cast your vote for POTUS in 2009???????

 

SEE WHY IT GETS SO FRUSTRATING??????

No, I did not cast my vote fo POTUS in 2009. Do you even know what a Voting Poll looks like? Take a deep breath. I cast my vote for the Reps that have to fix the budget that the potus (he does not deserve caps) has to sign or veto. Try to keep up. Did you not get all the signs on the side of the road that we had to elect our Reps to send them on their merry way to D.C. to speak for us?

Originally Posted by Ronnie P.:

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

 

We are currently adding $4,000,000,000 dollars a day to our debt.  That is 4 BILLION dollars every day.  Who will argue that that is sustainable?  We are in a position where if we don't raise the debt ceiling we have to cut 40% in spending.  Who would argue that a condition of raising the debt ceiling shouldn't include spending cuts?

http://news.yahoo.com/debt-lim...pport-223001521.html

 

They should be in Hollywood. Drama and posturing.

Originally Posted by OpinionsVary2:
Originally Posted by rocky:
SEE WHY IT GETS SO FRUSTRATING??????

Rocky, You didn't vote in 2009? Shame on you...

Reply from Rocky ( I want to make sure that I am not in print on this without  the above statement not clearly identified as being posted by OpinionVary2)
Well I know I shouldn't, but here goes:

 

OpinionVary2 (and I am SURE yours do)  in which election did you cast a vote in 2009???

 

The Iranian election????

 

MAN, has this forum gone downhill.

I see b50m is even on here tonight.  In the old days there would have been PM's by committee from b50m and the rest of the rethugliteacons instructing this poster to not make their side look bad.

I actually feel kind of sorry for John Boehnner now, I see what he is up against with the teabagger freshmen congressmen.

Originally Posted by b50m:

1. I don't do group pm's.

2. I believe every one is entitled to their own opinion.

3. Both sides look bad.

4. Interventor is correct, we will lose the triple A rating, no matter whose plan gets passed.

5. Marriage has not made you smarter.


1.  I was trying to compliment you as being the former "whip" of the right on this forum

2. It is not an opinion when you state you voted in a national election in America in 2009.  It borders on ignorance when someone does not recognize their mistake after it being pointed out. 

3. Agreed

4. Disagree but really don't feel like providing "provenance"

5.  I will not get into the old insult game with you, I thought we had gotten past that

 

But good to see you are still hanging around and really haven't changed much, well that isn't so great but it does show continuity anyway,

Originally Posted by rocky:
Originally Posted by b50m:

1. I don't do group pm's.

2. I believe every one is entitled to their own opinion.

3. Both sides look bad.

4. Interventor is correct, we will lose the triple A rating, no matter whose plan gets passed.

5. Marriage has not made you smarter.


1.  I was trying to compliment you as being the former "whip" of the right on this forum

2. It is not an opinion when you state you voted in a national election in America in 2009.  It borders on ignorance when someone does not recognize their mistake after it being pointed out. 

3. Agreed

4. Disagree but really don't feel like providing "provenance"

5.  I will not get into the old insult game with you, I thought we had gotten past that

 

But good to see you are still hanging around and really haven't changed much, well that isn't so great but it does show continuity anyway,

Wow.. you just can't grasp sarcasm. I made a typo on the year and you ran with it. But we do agree on something. Both parties are making a mess of the deficit. With all the posturing they are doing it will be a miracle if we have a country left when it is over.

Originally Posted by OpinionsVary2:
Originally Posted by rocky:
Originally Posted by b50m:

1. I don't do group pm's.

2. I believe every one is entitled to their own opinion.

3. Both sides look bad.

4. Interventor is correct, we will lose the triple A rating, no matter whose plan gets passed.

5. Marriage has not made you smarter.


1.  I was trying to compliment you as being the former "whip" of the right on this forum

2. It is not an opinion when you state you voted in a national election in America in 2009.  It borders on ignorance when someone does not recognize their mistake after it being pointed out. 

3. Agreed

4. Disagree but really don't feel like providing "provenance"

5.  I will not get into the old insult game with you, I thought we had gotten past that

 

But good to see you are still hanging around and really haven't changed much, well that isn't so great but it does show continuity anyway,

Wow.. you just can't grasp sarcasm. I made a typo on the year and you ran with it. But we do agree on something. Both parties are making a mess of the deficit. With all the posturing they are doing it will be a miracle if we have a country left when it is over.


I really TRIED to be nice, I forgot what sort of individual I am dealing with here at the TD RETHUGLITEACON BIG TOP CIRCUS, although it is glaringly evident what the country and men of reason are having to deal with in Congress and why I should  NOT expect the rethugliteacon  followers to be any different,

 

DID YOU MAKE A "TYPO" TWICE??????????  First you said you would not vote for Obama in 2013 then you shamed me for not voting in 2009.

 

You just took the excuse from b50m, yes the same old b50m who is a wiccan and was formerly known as "The wicked right wing witch" and is an expert at making excuses(Get in the ring Rock and slug a thug)  and  looking for any excuse to justify your stupidity like a typical teabagger or republican, went with it.

 

This sad little forum is a microcosm of what has happened to the citizens of this country due to allegiance to talking heads and blindly believing false information.

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