!!! Are YOU being watched and tracked? Did you KNOW you were???

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Originally posted by fineazell1:
We've had this moment before. When you post on a public forum, you have to be prepared for the "analyzing" of your comments.
Nothing I have said is an assumption of your character, it is a direct response to the things you have posted.

As far as your comment, I know you are serious, but it still amazes me at how ridiculously uninformed you really are.
Do you really believe that the government is ONLY keeping tabs on people that do nothing wrong?
Really?
No... seriously?
Really?

My only question is(and God knows I am scared to ask)
Why?
Why would they ONLY keep tabs of hard working, honest citizens? - In your mind of course, because anybody with a dash of realism in their life would know that it is absolutely ludicrous to even try and justify that.

You know, you really don't understand me. I am not big on Google, or any search engine. I go from experience.

Now, YOU tell ME how they can keep tabs on any sleeper cell we have??? Or on any Mexican who sneaks across the Border????

How can our Government even KNOW where these people are???? Please tell me that.

And while YOU are telling me this, (and letting me analyzing ) tell me just WHO else they CAN target but hard working, honest people????

The fact that people are so readily giving their information to them for fear of any wrong doing, then they are the ones who are in the Data Banks.

The fact that illegals or sleeper cells are in HIDING and have been since they came to this Country proves that our government does NOT know where they are TO target them, hence, 9/11.

To answer that one ANY other way would be saying that they DO know where all these illegals are, but are doing nothing about it... right???

The best way to hide is to blend in.
In this country there are only a few ways to get money.
Steal it
Earn it
Receive it
How do you think Terrorist cells are funded?
How do you think Terrorist cells hide?
They act like ordinary, law abiding, citizens.
None of them have big flags on their homes that announce they are terrorists. They work, they shop, they drive, they use their phone, they... well, they blend.
I'm not sure what your idea of a "sleeper cell" is but it certainly isn't a bunch of dark people hiding in a cave in Montana waiting for that right moment.
They come in many colors and from many backgrounds. The govt has the daunting task of figuring out who the good guys are and who the bad guys are.

They do this by collecting data on EVERYBODY and then using that data to find patterns. They use those patterns to figure out who to watch more closely, and ultimately catch the bad guy.

honestly guys... Don't you think they need to be monitoring air force one? and then releasing the info to the public? I guess we would find the real murderers then... there is no terrorism. It's a big Hoax!

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Originally posted by fineazell1:
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How do you think Terrorist cells are funded?
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The ones associated with Al Queda are probably funded every time you or I buy gasoline. This is one major reason to reduce the gasoline/oil we consume.
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How do you think Terrorist cells hide?
They act like ordinary, law abiding, citizens.
None of them have big flags on their homes that announce they are terrorists. They work, they shop, they drive, they use their phone, they... well, they blend.
I'm not sure what your idea of a "sleeper cell" is but it certainly isn't a bunch of dark people hiding in a cave in Montana waiting for that right moment.
They come in many colors and from many backgrounds. The govt has the daunting task of figuring out who the good guys are and who the bad guys are.

They do this by collecting data on EVERYBODY and then using that data to find patterns. They use those patterns to figure out who to watch more closely, and ultimately catch the bad guy.

If only I trusted the current administration (or any for that matter) to only look for bad guys. My fear is that most of the current admin. has concentrated it's efforts on political opponents. For one thing, that's the whole problem with the AG fiasco, Gonzolis fired his people for not prosicuting Democrats that
Bush thought should be prosicuted, and for prosicuting Republicans that he did not want prosicuted. Guilt, evidence etc had no part in his wishes, just political opposition. Tom Delay used the power of the government to track down Democrats from Texas when he was gerrimandering the Texas districts.
So , you see, if it was BAD guys , I would be ok with that. Trouble is , it is also a political tool for American patroits and that is just wrong.

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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
Since you literally believe in NOTHING, then I guess we don't need to talk about this anyway. I Pray to God that someday YOU don't have to tell me how RIGHT I am!!!!!

Sorry, I don't get that at all. What does my absence of a belief in a deity have to do with spying on Americans?

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Voting wisely, now that is a laugh since you sit there and judge everything everyone on this forum says. I don't know WHO made YOU God on here, but it wasn't me. Believe me, I DO NOT WANT to be right, I just know I am.

I don't judge. I offer my opinion just like everyone else. In this case, my opinion is that you are off your rocker. I hope like heck the government IS collecting much more information than they let on. We aren't living in Ozzie and Harriet days anymore.

Fortunately, I do have legal rights to privacy. If those rights are truly violated, I will bring to bear the entire weight of the judicial branch of the government upon the legislative and executive branches. Judges just LOVE that kinda stuff.

Until then I won't wast my time turning purple and panicking over it. After all, Walmart probably knows more about you than Uncle Sam.

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Fortunately, I do have legal rights to privacy. If those rights are truly violated, I will bring to bear the entire weight of the judicial branch of the government upon the legislative and executive branches

LOL keep dreaming.Guess you have not read the entire Patriot Act have you? You have no rights to privacy,you have no rights to anything. It is all now in the hands of the government ,,just any little ole time they CHOOSE to flex muscle. But i wish you well living in your dream state.

You want the idea of privacy. You have absolutely no idea if you have any privacy. If you don't know you're being watched, does it bother you?

Here's a little secret: No one who tracks this sort of thing gives a hoot whether or not you download Asian fetish porn or have online chats with your virtual lover. Maybe you believe your secrets and lies are so earth-shattering that the Government would stretch the bounds of what is legal and practical just so they can find out that you're not the person your pastor thinks you to be. Here's a hint: Unless you're emailing Al@qaeda.nut THEY JUST DON'T CARE. You're not that important.

You want to avoid notice? Don't make a long-distance phone call to directory assistance in Islamabad. Don't download recipes for semtex. Don't give "aid and comfort" to the enemy. That's treason.

Most of the monitoring is done by computer. Only a tiny fraction is ever even seen by a human. When there's something significant, it goes to an analyst. It's because there's a pattern that's popped up, and then it goes to FISA. Then you're under a combination microscope/proctoscope.

Whether you like it or not, agree with it or not, our country is at war. Infringements on civil liberties at a time when we're fighting for our cultural survival are significantly less than during WWII. Remember, this country even survived J. Edgar Hoover.

Yeah, if you don't know how much information about you is out there, just try going to:

www.zabasearch.com

it's free, and scary how many of my former addresses it listed.

I am totally against this type of information being availible to the public, but I could really care less if the government knows what I am up to.

If the U.S. gov't can't find Osama Bin Laden, D.B. Cooper, or Leo Burt, do you think they really know anything about us?

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Originally posted by GoFish:

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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
I just wonder WHEN everyone plans on MAKING time to know what is going on.[/color][/b]

I'm sure some folks are saying that about you, Kindred.

You keep saying the same thing over and over again and people have been patiently addressing the issue with you but YOU keep getting sidetracked.

The issue is this: You have no privacy any more. Period. End of story. You can get upset about that all you want but you may as well get mad at the weather.

There is not a dang thing you can do about it besides voting wisely. What would you have us do, declare war on our government?

Oh GoFish, I live for your wonderful insults!!!

And yes, I am sorry if you don't like it, but I DO have the RIGHT for privacy. I am an American Citizen, never arrested, never been involved with ANYTHING that would flag me and for anyone to THINK they have a right to "watch" me is ludicrous at BEST.

Read the PRIVACY Act.

And if you think that it just takes INTERNET RED FLAGS then you haven't been watching the News or reading the papers.

Funny thing about denial, it leaves EGG on one's face when the final analysis proves them wrong.

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Originally posted by fineazell1:
The best way to hide is to blend in.
In this country there are only a few ways to get money.
Steal it
Earn it
Receive it
How do you think Terrorist cells are funded?
How do you think Terrorist cells hide?
They act like ordinary, law abiding, citizens.
None of them have big flags on their homes that announce they are terrorists. They work, they shop, they drive, they use their phone, they... well, they blend.
I'm not sure what your idea of a "sleeper cell" is but it certainly isn't a bunch of dark people hiding in a cave in Montana waiting for that right moment.
They come in many colors and from many backgrounds. The govt has the daunting task of figuring out who the good guys are and who the bad guys are.

They do this by collecting data on EVERYBODY and then using that data to find patterns. They use those patterns to figure out who to watch more closely, and ultimately catch the bad guy.

In part, you give a pretty good reply here, but I think YOU need to do more homework before 'defining' anything.

They MAY come in all colors from all lands, but the fact is that on 9-11, sleeper cells who were very respected neighbors and RELIGIOUS people killed over 3000 of our people and crashed 4 planes. But yet, they are still here, and growing in number.

Now, in all your wisdom, tell me HOW TO TELL THE GOOD FROM THE BAD?????

Sleeper Cells??? Like excelman said, IF I trusted our Administration, then I wouldn't worry about them, but they have repeatedly done things WRONG WRONG WRONG since that fateful day and lied every step of the way. How quickly you forget.

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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
In part, you give a pretty good reply here, but I think YOU need to do more homework before 'defining' anything.

They MAY come in all colors from all lands, but the fact is that on 9-11, sleeper cells who were very respected neighbors and RELIGIOUS people killed over 3000 of our people and crashed 4 planes. But yet, they are still here, and growing in number.

This is America, remember, we can't kick out the ones that look like the 19 men on those planes just because they MIGHT be a "sleeper cell".

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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:

Sleeper Cells??? Like excelman said, IF I trusted our Administration, then I wouldn't worry about them, but they have repeatedly done things WRONG WRONG WRONG since that fateful day and lied every step of the way. How quickly you forget.

How quickly you forget that 9/11 happened just 8 months 19 days after this administration took office.
So who do you suppose was in office while the "sleeper cells" were being formed?
Who do you suppose was in office while the attacks of 9/11 were being planned?
Who do you suppose ignored several warnings about Bin Laden and his plans to attack the U.S.?
How quickly YOU forget.

You see K_S, the problem here is focus.
If you read all of my comments, they stay focused on the topic at hand.

Why the govt collects data about people who travel in (and out of) America.

What I was not addressing (because it isn't part of the topic) was what shady politicians do to each other.
If you want a political debate move over to the politics section.

As to address your question, once again you either don't read or can't comprehend. I answered your question already. But I'll do it one more time in case you missed it.

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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:

Now, in all your wisdom, tell me HOW TO TELL THE GOOD FROM THE BAD?????

They do this by collecting data on EVERYBODY and then using that data to find patterns. They use those patterns to figure out who to watch more closely, and ultimately catch the bad guy.

Sleeper Cells ARE illegals and are busy as we speak bringing MORE into our Country, and YES there is something that can be done. GET THEM OUT OF HERE!!! They DO NOT belong.

I am not going to waste my time reading your replies when I already know your profile. I am sure you aren't going to take your time to read mine. But you have absolutely NO clue as to what nor where I am coming from.

So we agree to disagree, but please DO YOUR HOMEWORK on the Privacy act, you might find out a LOT of things that has changed since it was put into effect, and I do NOT mean legal changes either.

K_S, seriously, you shouldn't make ignorant comments like that.
EVERY ONE OF THE 19 HIJACKERS were here LEGALLY!!!!!
EVERY ONE OF THEM HAD A VISA!!!!
Some were very educated young men.
Some were children of wealthy Saudi (our ALLY) business men.

They didn't sneak in through Mexico or Canada, they didn't come here on a small boat in the middle of the night.
You should do YOUR homework before making ridiculous statements about something you obviously know NOTHING about.
Stop listening to rhetoric and propaganda and just read some time.

Here is a link to the information about the 19 hijackers.
AA Flight 11

UA Flight 175

AA Flight 77

UA Flight 93

Just read some time. My profile is based on facts. My opinion is based on facts. I don't let my opinion of the administration cloud my judgment on what is right or wrong.
We have to be protected. This isn't the 1800's. New threats pop up every day. WE have laid the burden of protection on the govt.

Man, you have OCD where I am concerned? I am flattered, LOL!!!!!!

Besides, you NEVER answered my question!!!!

There are people who "look" a certain way on every street corner, every motel, and just plain EVERYWHERE.

How can we tell if they are LEGAL or ILLEGAL, GOOD OR BAD?????

You are the expert here, tell me how we can tell.

And remember, this question (not just posed by ME) has been put on this forum SEVERAL times, and there is not one single soul CAN answer it.

IF we had of used deportation during the aftermath of 9/11, there might be a better way, MIGHT be. But we didn't, only ONE plane flew that day after all others were grounded.

K_S
Seriously, just read. I have answered that question twice.

They do this by collecting data on EVERYBODY and then use that data to find patterns. They use those patterns to figure out who to watch more closely, and ultimately catch the bad guy.

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Originally posted by fineazell1:
K_S
Seriously, just read. I have answered that question twice.

They do this by collecting data on EVERYBODY and then use that data to find patterns. They use those patterns to figure out who to watch more closely, and ultimately catch the bad guy.

You have NOT answered even once!!! They do NOT use patterns like you want to believe they do, and now, AGAIN I ask you,

How do the general population look around and tell the GOOD from the BAD, or the LEGAL from the ILLEGAL?????

How do we know this store is ok, and that store has poison in it????

How do we know anything to do with anyone who is NOT American???? HOW?

And if you think you have answered it, you are a very long way away from it, lol... This has been posed to the highest scholors in the USA and they STILL cannot answer it!!!!

I guess in order to answer your question, I need your definition of an American.

You are trying to compare the average citizens ability to "JUDGE" somebody based on color or occupation with the governments ability to collect information and make decisions based on that information.

It is not the average citizens responsibility to judge anybody and figure out if they are legal or illegal. This is America! We are where everyone else wants to be (minus the bad guys).
We have light people, dark people, tall people, short people, ugly people, pretty people, smart people, and dumb people.
It would be impossible to "LOOK" at somebody and know if they are American (legally).

Would you suggest we all have a stamp of approval tattooed into our forehead?
How is that American?

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Originally posted by fineazell1:
I guess in order to answer your question, I need your definition of an American.

You are trying to compare the average citizens ability to "JUDGE" somebody based on color or occupation with the governments ability to collect information and make decisions based on that information.

It is not the average citizens responsibility to judge anybody and figure out if they are legal or illegal. This is America! We are where everyone else wants to be (minus the bad guys).
We have light people, dark people, tall people, short people, ugly people, pretty people, smart people, and dumb people.
It would be impossible to "LOOK" at somebody and know if they are American (legally).

Would you suggest we all have a stamp of approval tattooed into our forehead?
How is that American?

And you are either choosing NOT to get it, or you actually do NOT get it.

So I am finished here, enough debating this since you chose to look at it YOUR way and not in the way that it should be looked at.

TaTa

I find it funny that is how you end your "debate".
You ignore questions posed, you ignore answers given.
You don't even know what IT is.
How can I possibly agree with you when you haven't said anything other than terrorists are illegals and they should all be kicked out of America.

Seriously?

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Originally posted by fineazell1:
I find it funny that is how you end your "debate".
You ignore questions posed, you ignore answers given.
You don't even know what IT is.
How can I possibly agree with you when you haven't said anything other than terrorists are illegals and they should all be kicked out of America.

Seriously?

You have to read the post, I don't have time to go back over it.

From experience, I will tell you that even YOU cannot tell the difference, and IF you are comfortable in buying from shops, or staying at motels of NON CITIZEN people (tax exempt), then go for it, I am not though.

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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
You have to read the post, I don't have time to go back over it.

From experience, I will tell you that even YOU cannot tell the difference, and IF you are comfortable in buying from shops, or staying at motels of NON CITIZEN people (tax exempt), then go for it, I am not though.

Ahh, see now if you would have just went ahead and asked me if I was a racist we could have skipped a couple pages of arguing.

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Originally posted by fineazell1:

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Originally posted by Kindred_Spirit:
You have to read the post, I don't have time to go back over it.

From experience, I will tell you that even YOU cannot tell the difference, and IF you are comfortable in buying from shops, or staying at motels of NON CITIZEN people (tax exempt), then go for it, I am not though.

Ahh, see now if you would have just went ahead and asked me if I was a racist we could have skipped a couple pages arguing.

Now you are mincing words, young'un. No racism here at all. I am talking about people who own businesses in our country tax exempt but are NOT citizens. Do they HAPPEN to be the same race as the 9/11 men? I don't know for sure, but I DO know that with a store on every street corner, and a motel in every location one can think of, IF they decided to take us out, they wouldn't have to fire a single shot. They would "HAVE" us.

Racism? NOPE!!!
SAFETY??? YEP!!!!