Very sad. I debated on whether or not to post this here or in the News section. Since he spent much of his later life debating on religion, I thought it would be best to post it here.
http://www.reuters.com/article...dUSTRE7BF0FI20111216
He was an intelligent, well spoken debater. Sad loss indeed.
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Isn't he the one that Bill Gray was slamming a few months ago? I've watched a couple of his speeches & enjoyed listening to him.
hitchens is the one featured in deeps thread entitled "Ultimate Wickedness". There just isn't much to be said. A man that twisted in his sense of reality to call evil good and good evil is called a "Reprobate mind".
One thing we kniow for sure, he isn't a non-believer anymore.
Cancer is a horrible disease and I hope none of us ever have to see a loved one consumed by it. I remember seeing my uncle who was like a John Wayne character to me reduced to almost nothing.
hitchens is the one featured in deeps thread entitled "Ultimate Wickedness". There just isn't much to be said. A man that twisted in his sense of reality to call evil good and good evil is called a "Reprobate mind".
One thing we kniow for sure, he isn't a non-believer anymore.
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He's not a non-believer or believer now. He's dead. End of story. You can day dream all you want, curl up with your happy thoughts that he's being tortured eternally, but it's not happening.
Cancer is a horrible disease and I hope none of us ever have to see a loved one consumed by it. I remember seeing my uncle who was like a John Wayne character to me reduced to almost nothing.
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Cancer is something I wouldn't wish upon my worse enemy. Sadly, a lot of people have had a loved one consumed by it.
hitchens is the one featured in deeps thread entitled "Ultimate Wickedness". There just isn't much to be said. A man that twisted in his sense of reality to call evil good and good evil is called a "Reprobate mind".
One thing we kniow for sure, he isn't a non-believer anymore.
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He's not a non-believer or believer now. He's dead. End of story. You can day dream all you want, curl up with your happy thoughts that he's being tortured eternally, but it's not happening.
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You ain't got a clue as to what's happening.
You ain't got a clue as to what's happening.
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LOL! But you do?
Well it wouldn’t surprise me atall to find out that ole hitch is up there in Heaven with the deer-in-headlights look on his face, forgiven by Jesus to spite the devil. Jesus is that kind of guy you know.
It ain’t up to me to say.
I guess after all one would find ole hitch to be a pretty good guy. I never heard of anything bad he ever did. He was probably loved by fam and friends. that’s got to count for something.
I guess I’m a softie but it is sad to me when anyone dies of cancer.
You ain't got a clue as to what's happening.
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LOL! But you do?
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I would tend to give some credence to those who have been on the other side and came back to tell us about it.
What do you base your info on?
You ain't got a clue as to what's happening.
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LOL! But you do?
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I would tend to give some credence to those who have been on the other side and came back to tell us about it.
What do you base your info on?
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No one has "been to the other side" and come back.
You ain't got a clue as to what's happening.
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LOL! But you do?
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I would tend to give some credence to those who have been on the other side and came back to tell us about it.
What do you base your info on?
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No one has "been to the other side" and come back.
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So says the skeptic. Everybody is just a liar, the atheist is the only honest person here.
I had never even heard of him until I came to this forum, but it's a shame he had to die of cancer. And I pray that his family and friends will find comfort.
And as to his final destination - none of us knows, so I won't speculate.
So says the skeptic. Everybody is just a liar, the atheist is the only honest person here.
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It wouldn't hurt you to be a bit skeptical and stop believing every wild story that you think "proves" your "afterlife" exists. Now I didn't say liar did I? Go back through all the threads on nde and you'll see my stance is that it's people's minds at work. You and all the others will never address the fact that nde are all different depending on the persons religion or beliefs. Are there people that lie about it? Of course. And people like you eat it up.
So says the skeptic. Everybody is just a liar, the atheist is the only honest person here.
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It wouldn't hurt you to be a bit skeptical and stop believing every wild story that you think "proves" your "afterlife" exists. Now I didn't say liar did I? Go back through all the threads on nde and you'll see my stance is that it's people's minds at work. You and all the others will never address the fact that nde are all different depending on the persons religion or beliefs. Are there people that lie about it? Of course. And people like you eat it up.
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Got a lady in our church who died and came back. She's certainly of a better character than you.
The funny thing is you are not objective in anyway on this subject. You just announce that they are either the function of the mind aftyer death or everyone else is a liar. You leave no room whatsoever for the fact that some could be true. YOU are the one with no objectivity.
Regardless of anyone's stance on religion Hitchens was a man who walked the earth and now he is no more. I think we can let the debate rest for one day.
Got a lady in our church who died and came back. She's certainly of a better character than you.
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What do you know of my character? All you know about me is that I'm an atheist and I think all the silly supernatural trappings that go along with that are crazy. How do you know she's "of better character"? Because she's a godbot like you? She didn't die and "come back". People don't "come back". Death is death, and if it isn't you better be careful the next time you bury a loved one. I see you still deny that nde vary from religion to religion. I know why though, because that it means that it IS all in a person's mind.
best, why always so ill??
quote: Originally Posted by semiannualchick:Isn't he the one that Bill Gray was slamming a few months ago? I've watched a couple of his speeches & enjoyed listening to him.
Slamming? No. Acknowledging him as one of Deep's atheist heroes? Yes. He and Richard Dawkins have been the two most vocal atheists in our current day.
It is a tragedy to see anyone die of cancer. About six months ago, Deep posted that he was suffering from cancer. And, I would have liked to see him go into remission and possibly a cure. It has happened before.
A Christian Friend, Apologetics Guy, posted the article about his death on Facebook yesterday -- but, with no comment, positive or negative. And, then later added this comment:
When he was first diagnosed, he said: "I'm here as a product of process of evolution, which doesn't make very many exceptions. And which rates life relatively cheaply." I wonder if he spoke to his brother, Peter, about spiritual things with different attitude before the end.
Another person, Guada, then posted this comment: "bummer....I mourn for his soul."
My comment was:
Hi Guada, The article states: "For years, Hitchens had toured the country debating religious figures about his utter disbelief in the existence of a God. He didn't waver in the face of his inability to treat his disease. To the very end, whatever the argument joined, Hitchens' voice was an original. He is survived by his wife, the writer Carol Blue, and three children."
Since we know that he died as an avowed atheist; it is too late to pray for his soul. However, this may be an appropriate time to pray for the souls of his wife, children, and other family members. God bless, Bill
And, Chick, while I realize you will see this as me being insensitive and slamming him -- but, that is not the case. My point to Guada is that when a person dies -- his/her spiritual condition is set in concrete. At that point no amount of prayers can help the deceased. However, prayers can still be very effective for his surviving family members -- for there is still time for them to see the error of their atheist lifestyle and change directions.
Of course, we do not know if his wife and children are atheists. This can only be an assumption; but, considering his success in selling his belief -- it is a good assumption. However, we have to keep in mind that Madelyn Murray O'Hair's son, William, became a strong Christian believer and evangelist/writer -- even though she died an atheist.
And, the lady who was the Jane Roe in the Roe v Wade Abortion Decision, became a Christian believer and a strong advocate/activist against abortion.
So, even if Hitchens' family members are currently atheists -- there is time for prayer to be effective in bringing them to a belief in God.
All that said, I do feel for his family's loss of their husband and father. I do not wish such a loss on any family. So, yes, I do join them in mourning their loss.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
