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A follow up which I think gives the problem for the evolutionists. So much for Eve of Africa.
Science News
Discovery may push back age of modern man
Published: Dec. 27, 2010 at 5:26 PM
TEL AVIV, Israel, Dec. 27 (UPI) -- Scientists say they've found the world's earliest evidence of modern man, Homo sapiens, living in what is now Israel twice as long ago as previously thought.
Researchers from Tel Aviv University found eight human teeth at least 400,000 years old at the prehistoric Qesem Cave site near Rosh Ha'ayin, The Jerusalem Post reported Sunday.
The researchers say the discovery in the Qesem Cave may change the widely held perception that modern man originated on the continent of Africa.
The Qesem find, along with archaeological evidence and human skeletons found in Spain and China, may cause scientists to reconsider current thinking that homo sapiens came out of Africa just 200,000 years ago, the researchers say.
The culture of the Qesem Cave dwellers, including the production of flint blades, the use of fire, evidence of hunting and cutting animal meat, mining raw materials to produce flint tools and much more suggest this was behavior that corresponds with the appearance of modern man, the Tel Aviv scientists say.
Science News
Discovery may push back age of modern man
Published: Dec. 27, 2010 at 5:26 PM
TEL AVIV, Israel, Dec. 27 (UPI) -- Scientists say they've found the world's earliest evidence of modern man, Homo sapiens, living in what is now Israel twice as long ago as previously thought.
Researchers from Tel Aviv University found eight human teeth at least 400,000 years old at the prehistoric Qesem Cave site near Rosh Ha'ayin, The Jerusalem Post reported Sunday.
The researchers say the discovery in the Qesem Cave may change the widely held perception that modern man originated on the continent of Africa.
The Qesem find, along with archaeological evidence and human skeletons found in Spain and China, may cause scientists to reconsider current thinking that homo sapiens came out of Africa just 200,000 years ago, the researchers say.
The culture of the Qesem Cave dwellers, including the production of flint blades, the use of fire, evidence of hunting and cutting animal meat, mining raw materials to produce flint tools and much more suggest this was behavior that corresponds with the appearance of modern man, the Tel Aviv scientists say.
Hi GB,
The article tells us, A Tel Aviv University team excavating a cave in central Israel said teeth found in the cave are about 400,000 years old and resemble those of other remains of modern man, known scientifically as Homo sapiens, found in Israel. The earliest Homo sapiens remains found until now are half as old.
"'It's very exciting to come to this conclusion," said archaeologist Avi Gopher, whose team examined the teeth with X-rays and CT scans and dated them according to the layers of earth where they were found.
What they are not taking into account is Noah's Flood. The flood, being a worldwide flood, would have rearranged many layers and aspects of the earth's surface.
This is why dating based upon geographical strata is not reliable.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
The article tells us, A Tel Aviv University team excavating a cave in central Israel said teeth found in the cave are about 400,000 years old and resemble those of other remains of modern man, known scientifically as Homo sapiens, found in Israel. The earliest Homo sapiens remains found until now are half as old.
"'It's very exciting to come to this conclusion," said archaeologist Avi Gopher, whose team examined the teeth with X-rays and CT scans and dated them according to the layers of earth where they were found.
What they are not taking into account is Noah's Flood. The flood, being a worldwide flood, would have rearranged many layers and aspects of the earth's surface.
This is why dating based upon geographical strata is not reliable.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
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*sigh* Well SOME of us have evolved...
quote:Originally posted by b50m:
A follow up which I think gives the problem for the evolutionists. So much for Eve of Africa.
Science News
Discovery may push back age of modern man
Published: Dec. 27, 2010 at 5:26 PM
TEL AVIV, Israel, Dec. 27 (UPI) -- Scientists say they've found the world's earliest evidence of modern man, Homo sapiens, living in what is now Israel twice as long ago as previously thought.
Researchers from Tel Aviv University found eight human teeth at least 400,000 years old at the prehistoric Qesem Cave site near Rosh Ha'ayin, The Jerusalem Post reported Sunday.
The researchers say the discovery in the Qesem Cave may change the widely held perception that modern man originated on the continent of Africa.
The Qesem find, along with archaeological evidence and human skeletons found in Spain and China, may cause scientists to reconsider current thinking that homo sapiens came out of Africa just 200,000 years ago, the researchers say.
The culture of the Qesem Cave dwellers, including the production of flint blades, the use of fire, evidence of hunting and cutting animal meat, mining raw materials to produce flint tools and much more suggest this was behavior that corresponds with the appearance of modern man, the Tel Aviv scientists say.
Hi B,
There is very good reason to believe that the Garden of Eden was actually in North Eastern Africa; which would mean that Adam and Eve were created in the land which would become Africa.
Not sure I would give a lot of credence to the 200,000 or 400,000 year dating -- since the flood happened about 4500 years ago and this event totally changed all earth geophysical strata.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
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Interesting article. I'm skeptical. This one find, if it's legit, pushes back the evolution of homo sapiens 2-4 times as long as all the other evidence suggests.
Keep an eye open.
nsns
Keep an eye open.
nsns
GB,
this is a very preliminary discovery. more testing is needed. however, i think that, once the data is verified, it is one of the most exciting finds in recent history. the scientific community (unlike the religious community) absolutely loves it when "everything we know" is turned upside-downards.
that does not happen very often.
this is a very preliminary discovery. more testing is needed. however, i think that, once the data is verified, it is one of the most exciting finds in recent history. the scientific community (unlike the religious community) absolutely loves it when "everything we know" is turned upside-downards.
that does not happen very often.
Bill,
How would you explain a flood of only 4500 years ago affecting strata layers from 400,000 years ago?
Here is an interesting view of Flood Geology.
http://www.atlantaapologist.or...ers/floodgeology.htm
How would you explain a flood of only 4500 years ago affecting strata layers from 400,000 years ago?
Here is an interesting view of Flood Geology.
http://www.atlantaapologist.or...ers/floodgeology.htm
Interesting article, b. Mr. Roberts doesn't go far enough, however. He claims to believe in a Great Flood, but if there was one, surely there would be evidence for it.
There's not.
Still, I admire his honesty, as far as it went.
nsns
There's not.
Still, I admire his honesty, as far as it went.
nsns
I thought he did quite well. He proved that the actual effect of a great flood is not evident on the earth. So for one to have wiped mankind off the earth, it had to be a supernatural event.
Now of course, that works for religious folks except those like Bill who tried to say there is evidence of a flood by geographical means. There is not.
More of that faith stuff.
Now of course, that works for religious folks except those like Bill who tried to say there is evidence of a flood by geographical means. There is not.
More of that faith stuff.
On the "Post a Comment" - earbob said - If we would all just give up religion,
the world would be a much kinder and gentler place.
I'm thinking more religious people would be better.
Inv.
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the world would be a much kinder and gentler place.
I'm thinking more religious people would be better.
Inv.
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I'd have to agree with earbob. I'm finding atheists are much kinder and gentler than believers. At least on this forum that is. I wonder about the difference in some of the "christians" here and in "real life." Makes me think religion must be a refuge, or last resort, for some.
quote:Originally posted by b50m:
I thought he did quite well. He proved that the actual effect of a great flood is not evident on the earth. So for one to have wiped mankind off the earth, it had to be a supernatural event.
Now of course, that works for religious folks except those like Bill who tried to say there is evidence of a flood by geographical means. There is not.
More of that faith stuff.
He did quite well, I compliment him. I still insist, however, that he complete his examination of the alleged Great Flood and show us what should be obvious and profound evidence for it. You must admit that a flood that washed the top of Mt. Everest would leave traces of its existence.
nsns
quote:quote:
Originally posted by b50m:
I thought he did quite well. He proved that the actual effect of a great flood is not evident on the earth. So for one to have wiped mankind off the earth, it had to be a supernatural event.
Now of course, that works for religious folks except those like Bill who tried to say there is evidence of a flood by geographical means. There is not.
More of that faith stuff.
quote:Sez Slim:
He did quite well, I compliment him. I still insist, however, that he complete his examination of the alleged Great Flood and show us what should be obvious and profound evidence for it. You must admit that a flood that washed the top of Mt. Everest would leave traces of its existence.
nsns
I agree. Evidence, say...so obvious and profound as we have for dinosaurs evolving into ...birds?
Cagey,
There's lots of perfectly good evidence for that! You see dinosaurs every day.
You could look it up.
Happy New Year!
nsns
There's lots of perfectly good evidence for that! You see dinosaurs every day.
You could look it up.
Happy New Year!
nsns
quote:Cagey,
There's lots of perfectly good evidence for that! You see dinosaurs every day.
You could look it up.
Happy New Year!
nsns
I have. There isn't. Just speculation.
It IS almost New Year...I almost forgot...
Nappy Hew Hear!...That's how it will sound at that moment.
the most cursory googling yielded this: http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/ast123/index.html
birds are dinosaurs.
nsns
birds are dinosaurs.
nsns
A dinosaur was a specific animal. A bird is a specific animal. Where are the gradual ancestoral examples?
Where is the consistency of that evolution?
We have fossils of dinos. We have birds.
With the randomness of evolution, and even given the "rejecting" of the mutations that weren't "bird friendly" there should be mountains of transitions.
(Unless, of course, the "Great Flood" washed them all away...4500 years ago!)
Where is the consistency of that evolution?
We have fossils of dinos. We have birds.
With the randomness of evolution, and even given the "rejecting" of the mutations that weren't "bird friendly" there should be mountains of transitions.
(Unless, of course, the "Great Flood" washed them all away...4500 years ago!)
LOL, cage.
This should be good.
This should be good.