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Just doesnt fit their script......


On Sunday December 17, 2012, 2 days after the CT shooting, a man went to a restaurant in San Antonio to kill his X-girlfriend. After he shot her, most of the people in the restaurant fled next door to a theater. The gunman followed them and entered the theater so he could shoot more people. He started shooting and people in the theater started running and screaming. It’s like the Aurora, CO theater story plus a restaurant!


Now aren’t you wondering why this isn’t a lead story in the national media along with the school shooting?


There was an off duty county deputy at the theater. SHE pulled out her gun and shot the man 4 times before he had a chance to kill anyone. So since this story makes the point that the best thing to stop a bad person with a gun is a good person with a gun, the media is treating it like it never happened.


Only the local media covered it. The city is giving her a medal next week. Just thought you’d like to know.


http://hardnoxandfriends.wordp...io-theater-shooting/


http://www.mysanantonio.com/ne...68.php#ixzz2GOP72zBX

Beam me up, Scotty, there's no intelligent life here......

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There are hundreds, maybe even thousands, of stories like these. I've been looking for the video of the man that pulled his gun to stop an attack on a police officer. The criminal had the officer down and was trying to take his gun. The man was taping the encounter and realized the criminal was about to get the cop's gun. He put down the camera, pulled out his gun, and made the guy get off the cop. 

Originally Posted by Capt James T:

Just doesnt fit their script......


On Sunday December 17, 2012, 2 days after the CT shooting, a man went to a restaurant in San Antonio to kill his X-girlfriend. After he shot her, most of the people in the restaurant fled next door to a theater. The gunman followed them and entered the theater so he could shoot more people. He started shooting and people in the theater started running and screaming. It’s like the Aurora, CO theater story plus a restaurant!


Now aren’t you wondering why this isn’t a lead story in the national media along with the school shooting?


There was an off duty county deputy at the theater. SHE pulled out her gun and shot the man 4 times before he had a chance to kill anyone. So since this story makes the point that the best thing to stop a bad person with a gun is a good person with a gun, the media is treating it like it never happened.


Only the local media covered it. The city is giving her a medal next week. Just thought you’d like to know.


http://hardnoxandfriends.wordp...io-theater-shooting/


http://www.mysanantonio.com/ne...68.php#ixzz2GOP72zBX

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"Only the local media covered it," YOU SAY.

 

Those old liberals at the Huffington Post and the Daily Beast carried the story.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...oting_n_2315139.html

 

http://www.thedailybeast.com/c...er-in-san-antonio.ht

 

That old "lamestream: network, CBS, covered it.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-20...san-antonio-theater/

 

United Press International covered it--pretty mainstream, wouldn't ya say? And for sure not just "local."

 

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US.../UPI-81581355749002/

 

There are probably more, but I have done enough homework for you.  You can stick with your knee-jerk, erroneous critiques if you wish, but it don't cut the mustard, Primitive One.

Originally Posted by Contendah:
Originally Posted by Capt James T:

Just doesnt fit their script......


On Sunday December 17, 2012, 2 days after the CT shooting, a man went to a restaurant in San Antonio to kill his X-girlfriend. After he shot her, most of the people in the restaurant fled next door to a theater. The gunman followed them and entered the theater so he could shoot more people. He started shooting and people in the theater started running and screaming. It’s like the Aurora, CO theater story plus a restaurant!


Now aren’t you wondering why this isn’t a lead story in the national media along with the school shooting?


There was an off duty county deputy at the theater. SHE pulled out her gun and shot the man 4 times before he had a chance to kill anyone. So since this story makes the point that the best thing to stop a bad person with a gun is a good person with a gun, the media is treating it like it never happened.


Only the local media covered it. The city is giving her a medal next week. Just thought you’d like to know.


http://hardnoxandfriends.wordp...io-theater-shooting/


http://www.mysanantonio.com/ne...68.php#ixzz2GOP72zBX

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"Only the local media covered it," YOU SAY.

 

Those old liberals at the Huffington Post and the Daily Beast carried the story.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...oting_n_2315139.html

 

http://www.thedailybeast.com/c...er-in-san-antonio.ht

 

That old "lamestream: network, CBS, covered it.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-20...san-antonio-theater/

 

United Press International covered it--pretty mainstream, wouldn't ya say? And for sure not just "local."

 

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US.../UPI-81581355749002/

 

There are probably more, but I have done enough homework for you.  You can stick with your knee-jerk, erroneous critiques if you wish, but it don't cut the mustard, Primitive One.

 

 

If it adds another marble in the bucket for tighter control of firearms, Fox News probably didn't publicize it. Maybe that's why he didn't know anybody else but the paper in town had anything on  it.

Originally Posted by budsfarm:

Thousands of documented stories of armed citizens prevailing against criminals which never make the nation news can be found by simply entering "armed citizen" in your search engine.

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Whether that is true or not, the contention  by Captain Caveman that "Only the local media covered it" is demonstrably incorrect, as I have shown above, and is indicative of a knee-jerk, biased mindset that ASSumes too much and does too little fact checking before posting.

 

Such absolute qualifiers as "only," ."never", "all" and the like ought not to be used except when they can be defended by FACTS.  Speculation doesn't count! 

Originally Posted by Capt James T:

Actually, i just quoted the blog verbatim (In blue).  Check the link.

 

i still have no intention of debating anything with you, since you cannot do so without personal attacks that only show your ignorance.......

 

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But you QUOTED it in an attempt to support YOUR argument; otherwise , how are we to interpret YOUR heading: "Just doesn't fit their script."

 

Cavemen are not permitted this level of disingenuousness!  

I'm still trying to figure out how this story helps the case of the pro-guns. Its another example of a guy going on a rampage with a gun. I thought that was "part of the script"?

 

I'm confused....

 

In the end a police officer took down the gun man. I don't think anyone was actually killed even though some earlier reports said the ex-girlfriend was killed in the restaurant.

 

How is this a boon to the pro-gun cause?

I didn't notice this part before. It's taken from the first link. 


There was an off duty county deputy at the theater. SHE pulled out her gun and shot the man 4 times before he had a chance to kill anyone



This is from the second story link. 


Two people were wounded late Sunday when gunfire erupted at a local movie theater, sending panicked moviegoers rushing to exits and ducking for cover, police and witnesses said.

It points out that the shooter probably though everyone was unarmed and was caught by surprise and stopped by a off duty officer in street clothes.  I would believe "just my opinion" that most if not all of these spree shooters never expect anyone in the general public to be armed.  Sure they expect armed police to show up but never expect their victims to be armed and would be much easier stopped by a CCW holder.

Originally Posted by Jobe:

The huff and puff and the daily beast are not main stream media. If CBS did this story, it must have been only late at night because I didn’t see it nor anyone I know saw it.

 

The general population didn’t hear about this story because like you said……………

 

“Just doesn’t fit their script”

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The Huff Post and Daily Beast are not mainstream media, but they are relentlessly accused of being tools of the radical left.  Something, then, is to be said about these allegedly "leftist" sources being out front with news that is is obviously something the pro-gun sector will trot out to support their cause.  One might call it "fair and balanced," wouldn't you say?

 

And please pay attention. The article under discussion contended incorrectly that, "Only the local media covered it."  Do you regard the Huff Post and the Daily Beast as "local media"?

Crash your isolated ABC slam against CCW holders simply does not stand up to the hard facts and past incidents stopped by CCW holders.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaQsbdXQuZI

http://www.gunandgame.com/guns...cealed-carry-holder/

http://www.theblogmocracy.com/...lder-stops-massacre/

http://www.theblogmocracy.com/...lder-stops-massacre/


University Study Confirms 
Private Firearms 
Stop Crime 2.5 Million Times Each Year

http://rense.com/general76/univ.htm

did you even listen to what they just told you... even if you train for such a situation... after 30 days off training, you're right back at square one! and some articles about off duty police officers, "civilians" stopping armed shooters, that's quiet a stretch! they are POLICE OFFICERS! complete with training! those are TRAINED EXPERTS .. who TEACH THESE CLASSES.. telling you statistics behind dozens of attacks!

 

oh, i'm sorry.  you're right, they don't stand up to your hard core facts/blogs.

Originally Posted by Crash.Override:

did you even listen to what they just told you... even if you train for such a situation... after 30 days off training, you're right back at square one! and some articles about off duty police officers, "civilians" stopping armed shooters, that's quiet a stretch! they are POLICE OFFICERS! complete with training! those are TRAINED EXPERTS .. who TEACH THESE CLASSES.. telling you statistics behind dozens of attacks!

 

oh, i'm sorry.  you're right, they don't stand up to your hard core facts/blogs.

So how does it keep happening that joe blow stops a robbery etc thousands of the storys reported by reputable meda on the internet.

Originally Posted by Crash.Override:
Originally Posted by HIFLYER2:

So how does it keep happening that joe blow stops a robbery etc thousands of the storys reported by reputable meda on the internet.

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really?!?! there are THOUSANDS of stores about regular people stopping "bad guys with guns"?

come on now, literally thousands of stories?

Yes welcome to reality!

Originally Posted by HIFLYER2:
Originally Posted by Crash.Override:
Originally Posted by HIFLYER2:

So how does it keep happening that joe blow stops a robbery etc thousands of the storys reported by reputable meda on the internet.

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really?!?! there are THOUSANDS of stores about regular people stopping "bad guys with guns"?

come on now, literally thousands of stories?

Yes welcome to reality!

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and you don't think we need some tighter control over guns? by your own admission, people are running around with them, everywhere! you do realize that all guns in the US had to, at one time, have been sold legally? by your own words... you've proven, at the very least, we need some better control over our nation's available guns.

 

i hope that bubble popping didn't hurt you, much!

welcome to reality!

Originally Posted by Crash.Override:
Originally Posted by HIFLYER2:
Originally Posted by Crash.Override:
Originally Posted by HIFLYER2:

So how does it keep happening that joe blow stops a robbery etc thousands of the storys reported by reputable meda on the internet.

________________________________

 

really?!?! there are THOUSANDS of stores about regular people stopping "bad guys with guns"?

come on now, literally thousands of stories?

Yes welcome to reality!

______________________

 

and you don't think we need some tighter control over guns? by your own admission, people are running around with them, everywhere! you do realize that all guns in the US had to, at one time, have been sold legally? by your own words... you've proven, at the very least, we need some better control over our nation's available guns.

 

i hope that bubble popping didn't hurt you, much!

welcome to reality!

Close the gun show loophole and make REASONABLE training mandatory and a back ground check mandatory.  It is not the legal gun owner you need to worry about it is the criminal so make any gun crime so you do the max whither it is gun theft or theft by gun you do the max etc.

Originally Posted by Crash.Override:
 you do realize that all guns in the US had to, at one time, have been sold legally?

False - do you think we live on an island to ourselves?  We cant keep drugs from flowing from the south, you think they just leave the guns behind as well?

 

How do you think two rocket launchers ended up in Los Angeles for the recent 'gun' buy back?  Think they were bought down at Wal Mart legally?

Originally Posted by HIFLYER2:

It points out that the shooter probably though everyone was unarmed and was caught by surprise and stopped by a off duty officer in street clothes.  I would believe "just my opinion" that most if not all of these spree shooters never expect anyone in the general public to be armed.  Sure they expect armed police to show up but never expect their victims to be armed and would be much easier stopped by a CCW holder.

Exactly, the shooter was an off duty deputy working her second job as security at the theater.  

 

Having someone, anyone, armed with a CCW permit, increases the chances of interrupting a mass shooting event.

 

As for the comment on police training....someone recently said training and practice mean nothing.  Just a bunch of rednecks drinking beer and shooting cans was what was implied.  I'll take a rusty CCW permit holder over having no one armed any day of the week.  I'll bet that, deep down inside, most folks put in a life or death situation would say the same thing, even those for banning guns.  You see, most of those political and media folks crying for the banning of guns are the first to hire armed guards for protection......

Originally Posted by Crash.Override:
Originally Posted by HIFLYER2:

So how does it keep happening that joe blow stops a robbery etc thousands of the storys reported by reputable meda on the internet.

________________________________

 

really?!?! there are THOUSANDS of stores about regular people stopping "bad guys with guns"?

come on now, literally thousands of stories?

Yep - check out this research

 

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdgeff.html

 

Professors James D. Wright and Peter Rossi surveyed 2,000 felons incarcerated in state prisons across the United States. Wright and Rossi reported that 34% of the felons said they personally had been "scared off, shot at, wounded, or captured by an armed victim"; 69% said that they knew at least one other criminal who had also; 34% said that when thinking about committing a crime they either "often" or "regularly" worried that they "[m]ight get shot at by the victim"; and 57% agreed with the statement, "Most criminals are more worried about meeting an armed victim than they are about running into the police." (James D. Wright & Peter H. Rossi, Armed and Considered Dangerous: A Survey of Felons and Their Firearms [1986].



Originally Posted by Capt James T:

How about this research:

 

Data from the NCVS [National Crime Victimization Survey] imply that each year there are only about 68,000 defensive uses of guns in connection with assaults and robberies, or about 80,000 to 82,000 if one adds in uses linked with household burglaries.


SIXTY EIGHT THOUSAND DEFENSIVE USES OF GUNS - Good Guys VS Bad Guys


Even if this data is grossly over inflated, just 10% of that number is 6800 defensive uses of guns. Id say that amounts to THOUSANDS!


But this article goes on to say that the number is grossly under reported and that this estimate is about 1/9 of the actual defensive gun uses.  More to come as I dig through it Im sure....


http://www.saf.org/lawreviews/kleckandgertz1.htm

 

Further along in the research above, the researchers conduct a large anonymous survey and determined that  "each year in the U.S. there are about 2.2 to 2.5 million DGUs of all types by civilians against humans, with about 1.5 to 1.9 million of the incidents involving use of handguns."


They go on to ask "Are these estimates plausible? Could it really be true that Americans use guns for self-protection as often as 2.1 to 2.5 million times a year? The estimate may seem remarkable in comparison to expectations based on conventional wisdom, but it is not implausibly large in comparison to various gun-related phenomena. There are probably over 220 million guns in private hands in the U.S., [57] implying that only about 1% of them are used for defensive purposes in any one year--not an impossibly high fraction. In a December 1993 Gallup survey, 49% of U.S. households reported owning a gun, and 31% of adults reported personally owning one. [58] These figures indicate that there are about 47.6 million households with a gun, with perhaps 93 million, or 49% of the adult U.S. population living in households with guns, and about 59.1 million adults personally owning a gun. Again, it hardly seems implausible that 3% (2.5 million/93 million) of the people with immediate access to a gun could have used one defensively in a given year."

 

Hundreds of Thousands of times a year?  Really?

 

Millions of times a year?  Really?

 

I dont know whether its true or not, I didnt do the research and dont know enough about statistics to verify their results.

 

But, I can tell you, it seems like the THOUSANDS estimate that HiFlyer mentioned may have been a bit conservative.....

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