Which Theory of Evolution Do You Believe?

So he copied, all that means is we gave credit to the wrong person for an excellent statement. How about that pesky "creator" problem? Not to be a smart ass but what are the odds that a "man that was always there", apparently came from nowhere, made a man out of dirt?

Giving credit to the wrong person means the right person didn't get any. GA--NU needs to explain himself/herself/itself. Plagiarism gets you kicked out of most schools. And it's dishonest. And lowlife.

Not to be a smart ass but what are the odds that a "man that was always there", apparently came from nowhere, made a man out of dirt?

Well Jenn, that depends.

If you don't believe he exists at all, i would say the odds are zero.

If you believe he does exist, then it's a sure bet.

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Actually the “GNU atheist” is counter to what this poster did.

The gnu atheist is an attempt to appear kinder and gentler to non-atheist rather than the angry individuals we all see on here.

What concerns me about this incident is the suspicion that several on here by their similar responses appear to have been a party to this intrusion by association and knowledge of forethought in the form of prior information that this “gnu” person would soon appear on the forum after convincing those attendants at a “local humanist get-to-gather” that “it” had command of scientific language that would somehow to the rest of us associate these confederates with those who have charm as they pursue the idiocy that there is no God.

Not to get too self-righteous or off track on an otherwise good thread but I think we all, atheists and believers alike, need to call each other out when something like what Gnu did happens here or elsewhere, regardless of what camp they're in. At the very least an apology and correction is clearly necessary... Still waiting

It's a disappointment that such a great post did not originate here, but I have to agree with Jenn that someone falsely taking credit for it doesn't diminish the strength and clarity of it's message.

(One good side effect, it turned me on to the ebonmusings.org pages! )

Wow Rramn, they sure threw that plan together fast. And to get Fire in on it too? Dayum they are good!!

If anyone here thinks you're a smart ass, I hate to think what they consider me to be.

Hopefully, someone will answer your question. I would like to hear an answer besides "because the Bible says so".

Drum roll. Jen and I agree. May I suggest Haldol dec for anyone who is just, er, slightly, on the paranoid side.

What else could someone say?  That God is above and outside the laws of physics and man? That He existed before time and before space? That something that has parameters that are not measurable by current laws could exist?

Doesn't matter what is given, it's all hooey to an atheist.

Here you go semi. Enjoy. Who created God?

http://www.godandscience.org/a...who_created_god.html

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He copied and pasted, his bad, still doesn't change the fact it was a good post. You didn't "catch" him because you know all about atheist sites.  All you did is the same thing I do when someone doesn't post a site or source, I copy and paste a sentence from the post, put it into search, and there you have it. I've posted the very thing to others that want "links"-do a search.

WE created god.

More'n likely after some wine and a couple hits off'n the 'burning bush.'

Somebody stood up and proclaimed "YEAH! THERE OUGHTTA BE A LAW!" before stumbling and falling backwards over the keg.

No, that's when we created "tie-dyed".

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Semi, you and I post a lot alike. I post what I think, it's not meant to be mean or hateful. At times I lose patience when someone keeps whining at me when I've explained it "to death" (gb and the hitler shyt). I don't have respect for some-bill and some others-and that could be showing through in my posts. The "gnats" like chithead, jimi, sometimes rramn and others, I just brush away. So like i told you before, post what you want to post, how you want to post it, and don't worry if they don't "get it".

Good and sound advice. 

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dear I have 127 atheistic sites and forums according to todays count.

Now why would you have those? mmmmmm? Doesn't matter, you still had to do a search, and that's how you do it. And you reinforce what I said, the christians go to the atheist sites just like we come here. How many atheist sites do you think bill visits?

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*hands Jennifer the spare fuel-injected chromium-plated, fully-illuminated "Wide Glide" gnat swatter*

"Yeah, it's got a HEMI!"

Wide Glides don't have Hemi's...you Goob.

I presume you are not aware of the Miller-Urey experiments.  Their conclusions are not "the" answer, but they do demonstrate how chemicals, given certain understandable conditions here on primitive earth, could result in self-replicating proteins.  Having demonstrated such, life on earth from non-life is understandable.

Chemicals have many properties.  The Universe is made of chemicals.  The unique properties of RNA and DNA is that the reproduce themselves.  This is the essence of life!

DF

Yeah, I've long been interested in these experiments. There are still to many ifs.

Seeded from outer space seems more plausible.

These discoveries created a stir within the science community. Scientists became very optimistic that the questions about the origin of life would be solved within a few decades. This has not been the case, however. Instead, the investigation into life's origins seems only to have just begun.

There has been a recent wave of skepticism concerning Miller's experiment because it is now believed that the early earth's atmosphere did not contain predominantly reductant molecules. Another objection is that this experiment required a tremendous amount of energy. While it is believed lightning storms were extremely common on the primitive Earth, they were not continuous as the Miller/Urey experiment portrayed. Thus it has been argued that while amino acids and other organic compounds may have been formed, they would not have been formed in the amounts which this experiment produced.

Many of the compounds made in the Miller/Urey experiment are known to exist in outer space. On September 28, 1969, a meteorite fell over Murchison, Australia. While only 100 kilograms were recovered, analysis of the meteorite has shown that it is rich with amino acids. Over 90 amino acids have been identified by researchers to date. Nineteen of these amino acids are found on Earth. (table showing comparison of Murchison meteorite to Miller/Urey experiment) The early Earth is believed to be similar to many of the asteroids and comets still roaming the galaxy. If amino acids are able to survive in outer space under extreme conditions, then this might suggest that amino acids were present when the Earth was formed. More importantly, the Murchison meteorite has demonstrated that the Earth may have acquired some of its amino acids and other organic compounds by planetary infall.

If these compounds were not created in a reducing atmosphere here on Earth as Miller suggested, then where did they come from? New theories have recently been offered as alternative sites for the origin of life. 

http://www.chem.duke.edu/~jds/...obiology/miller.html

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I've never made a secret that I frequent these sites. As a matter to, I have introduced more aaaaaaaatheistic sites to the forum than anyone.

also jenn, I am not registered to post on any of the sites.

I don't think you are shallow but most conversations on the aaaaaaaaaatheistic forums are and are conversations among the angry.

I think being "pizzed" is a requirement to join the club!

Sure Rramn, bitter, angry, unhappy, shallow, blah blah blah. Now you know that isn't true.

Agreed.  The truth doesn't need to be gleaned from obscure passages in the inerwebs,.  When you understand the fairly simple basics of a scientific theory, the words necessary to explain it to others come easily enough without having to "borrow" words from elsewhere.

I might also point out, the Miller-Urey experiments were of intelligent design.

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What probably happened is that you created Gnu to frame the atheists. Did you get a chance to use your super secret decoder ring while hatching this evil plan? LOL!!!

HAPPY 4TH OF JULY*********FREEDOM FROM RELIGION DAY

I for one would like to thank you for supporting and helping spread the word of atheism.

I am embarrased, guilty, and sorry.  I had time to think about it, read the comments, and read about plagerism.  I was not aware what I did was a type of stealing, but it's obvious to me now it is and why.  I was trying to compress words I respected from someone else in to easy to understand comments for a forum.  I thought if the creationists and religionists on this forum are like on other web sites they wouldn't follow web links for answers, or bother to read long explanations anyways.  Am I wrong about that?  Notice too how a couple of creationists were still struggling with what was straight forward, and simple explanations to their Evolution questions and misunderstandings.  Anyways it was a messed up introduction here, and I learned my lesson.  It was wrong, and I will always attribute my sources from now on.  I want to still continue to use material, and ideas from great web sites to say the things that should be said.  At least the important information I posted got the attention of both sides, and the necessary points were made.  The information I used is solid, and still stand as facts, and answers to bad misunderstandings on Evolution.  Even if some creationists don't want to understand them.

First, I am glad you apologized. Sometimes we get in a hurry and forget to site the source.  I have been guilty of that one a few times. I agree it was good information even though I disagreed with some of the assumptions.

I also disagree with your assumption that :

creationists and religionists on this forum are like on other web sites they wouldn't follow web links for answers,

since I will follow links from atheist or theist alike. I'm sure many do. You have some from both sides of the aisle that won't no matter what.

So continue to post and put up ideas, but try not to make assumptions.

BMC, panspermia is not out of the question, it's just unnecessary.

DF

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Fire, where can we see some of your work?

Here's one: http://www.theconnectionnortha...ws.php?viewStory=571

It got a rave review from earthmomma. You can't ask for higher praise than that.

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That was very good Fire. One has to wonder how close that story is to the actual truth.

I would like to see you re-write it and put a sci-fi slant to it.

The story could involve visitors from outer space and mistakenly assumed the old greeters were in charge of this Temple Wal-Mart where hoards came daily to do strange things to themselves and others. Being wise the old greeters caught on to the space invaders who were up to no good in the first place and invented a ruse of least harm to themselves that the younger humans were coin of the realm at nearby Mars where the Earthlings kept the good stuff.