Tul,
Good to see you here. I see that you are a recent entry to our little rhubarb.
A few years ago, the discussions between the differing religious opinions, atheist opinions, and undecided seekers were held forth in the Miscellaneous section, or so I'm told.
Enough complaints were registered from those squeamish to such discussions that this very Religion forum was created.
Et voila! Nous voici.
So, Gray is not right when he assumes that everyone here practices a religion.
I don't.
Several of us don't.
It's ridiculous to assume that everyone practices a religion. You'll agree, I'm sure.
Best of the evening,
b
quote:Originally posted by Billy Joe Bob Gene:
Tul,
Good to see you here. I see that you are a recent entry to our little rhubarb.
A few years ago, the discussions between the differing religious opinions, atheist opinions, and undecided seekers were held forth in the Miscellaneous section, or so I'm told.
Enough complaints were registered from those squeamish to such discussions that this very Religion forum was created.
Et voila! Nous voici. So, Gray is not right when he assumes that everyone here practices a religion. I don't. Several of us don't. It's ridiculous to assume that everyone practices a religion. You'll agree, I'm sure.
Best of the evening,b
DEEP, DON'T BE SO MODEST! - YOU AND I HAVE BEEN COMPARING OUR RELIGIONS FOR 3 1/2 YEARS - MY CHRISTIAN FAITH - AND YOUR ATHEIST RELIGION!
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wrong again. he doesnt have a religion, he has a belief in science and fact. bill, as often as you are wrong on here, you should consider all the other things you might be wrong about.
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi Holden,
Actually, you have this a wee bit confused. Christian believers truly are becoming the focus of more secular, atheist, and worldly hatred.
I'm doing my part to to encourage people to think for themselves & not be brainwashed by the evils of religion.
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:
God tells us this will happen, in the book you seem to want to ignore.
Oh, I'm not ignoring it. Its too easy of a target to ignore.
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Or are you only a Liberal who wants to adapt the Bible to fit the world's desires and rules?
I don't want to adapt it. I want it seen for what it is... nonsense.
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:
However, rather than Christian believers becoming a thing of the past -- Christian believers are the ONLY ones with a future -- an eternal future in the presence of God.
The rest; well, let's just leave it that, those who deny Him will NOT spend eternity in His presence. And, shucks, that only leaves one other place for them to spend eternity. I will leave that for you to ponder.
Thanks for condemning me to hell, Bill. Thats mighty christian of you.
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:
By the way, welcome to the Religion Forum. What religion do you practice?
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
I do not PRACTICE religion. I DISCUSS it... in a discussion forum.
quote:Originally posted by HoldenMyOwn:quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:
However, rather than Christian believers becoming a thing of the past -- Christian believers are the ONLY ones with a future -- an eternal future in the presence of God. The rest; well, let's just leave it that, those who deny Him will NOT spend eternity in His presence. And, shucks, that only leaves one other place for them to spend eternity. I will leave that for you to ponder.
Thanks for condemning me to hell, Bill. Thats (sic) mighty Christian of you.
Hi Holden,
You make the same mistake, or excuse, that all atheists make -- that Christians are condemning you to hell. No, my Friend, Christians are not condemning you to hell; God is not condemning you to hell -- YOU are condemning YOURSELF to hell.
How? By rejecting Jesus Christ and His "free gift" of salvation. Holden, if you were broke, homeless, living on the street -- and Bill Gates walks up and offers you a billion dollars. If you accept his "free gift" -- you can live like a king. If you reject his "free gift" -- you will continue to live as an impoverished homeless person.
Now, if you refuse to accept the billion dollar "free gift" from Bill Gates -- whose fault is it that you are condemned to live on the street as a homeless person? Is it Bill Gates' fault? No. He made the means available to you; yet, you refused to accept it.
In the same way, Jesus Christ has already "paid in full" your sin debt, and mine -- and has extended His hand, offering the "free gift" of eternal salvation, eternal life in the presence of God. If you refuse it -- who, but yourself, can be blamed? He offered! You refused!
Holden, every person ever born on this earth will live eternally. Every person is immortal. The only question is: Where will YOU live that eternity -- heaven or hell? The choice is yours alone. No one else can make it for you. And, God will not make it for you. YOU have to choose where YOU will spend eternity -- heaven with God -- or hell with Satan. Choose wisely, my Friend. Eternity is a very, very long time.
Oh, by the way, I loved your new graphic. I like it so much that I have archived it -- and, as you can see, have used it in this post. I am thrilled to be called His sheep! There can be no greater honor. Thank you for sharing this with us.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
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quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:
YOU are condemning YOURSELF to hell.
No one would choose hell anymore than a battered woman would choose to have her nose broken by her husband. This god thing you worship is the ultimate evil.
quote:How? By rejecting Jesus Christ and His "free gift" of salvation. Holden, if you were broke, homeless, living on the street -- and Bill Gates walks up and offers you a billion dollars. If you accept his "free gift" -- you can live like a king. If you reject his "free gift" -- you will continue to live as an impoverished homeless person.
What a stupid analogy. Let's fix this:
Bill Gates is angry with you. Why? Because your great-grandparents were didn't obey every word he uttered. He blames you for this and expects you to take equal part in the blame. (Note: he also randomly kills babies because of this. And he's screwed up nature somehow as well. In fact, he's just been a ******* ever since) Now long before you were born, the psychopath murdered his son. He says that if you believe all this crap about his love and forgiveness, he won't throw you in his torture program for all of eternity.
Now, don't you just LOVE that free gift?
Your god is evil. Period.
quote:Now, if you refuse to accept the billion dollar "free gift" from Bill Gates -- whose fault is it that you are condemned to live on the street as a homeless person? Is it Bill Gates' fault? No. He made the means available to you; yet, you refused to accept it.
Let's fix this one as well:
Honey, you refused to accept my free gift of love, so it isn't my fault that I have to break your nose. All you have to do is worship me, fix the vittles exactly the way I like em', and tell me how great I am all of the time, and I'll love you and take care of you. But you know, if you don't, I'm going to put you in the oven and roast you. Hey, it's your choice sweet-darlin--baby-cakes, what's it going to be? Are you going to accept all of my "love", or am I going to have to cook you? Totally up to you sweetcheeks!
Your god is evil. Period.
quote:In the same way, Jesus Christ has already "paid in full" your sin debt, and mine -- and has extended His hand, offering the "free gift" of eternal salvation, eternal life in the presence of God. If you refuse it -- who, but yourself, can be blamed? He offered! You refused!
The mob has just come by your house, and guess what? They're selling fire insurance today. It's a free plan, of course, but you're going to have to do everything the Don says. (Isn't that generous?) If you house burns down with your family inside, who but yourself can be blamed? The Don offered! You refused! Who's fault is it?
Your god is evil. Period.
quote:Holden, every person ever born on this earth will live eternally. Every person is immortal. The only question is: Where will YOU live that eternity -- heaven or hell? The choice is yours alone. No one else can make it for you. And, God will not make it for you. YOU have to choose where YOU will spend eternity -- heaven with God -- or hell with Satan. Choose wisely, my Friend. Eternity is a very, very long time.
Imaging having to worship that monster for all of eternity. Imaging having to be around Bill for all of eternity. Choose wisely, my friend.
Bill, your god is evil. Hitler and Stalin are saints next to this monster.
This topic has become so nasty I wouldn't touch it.
quote:This topic has become so nasty I wouldn't touch it.
yep....ugly.
I felt that way when Bill started equating homosexuality to child molestation. 
quote:Originally posted by tcf531:
wrong again. he doesnt have a religion, he has a belief in science and fact. bill, as often as you are wrong on here, you should consider all the other things you might be wrong about.
Hi TCF,
Thank you for confirming that atheism is a religion, i.e., a belief system.
Y'all come back now, ya heah?
Bill
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http://www.childmolestationprevention.org/
Some Facts
It is estimated that at least two out of every ten girls and one out of every ten boys are sexually abused by the end of their 13th year. To protect all children, we first need to learn the facts.
Did you know that most children who are sexually abused, are abused by a family member or close friend? Did you know that "stranger danger," by comparison, is quite rare?
Your Opportunity To Save Children
If you are an ordinary person in an ordinary family, you have the most power of anybody to save the children around you. Every time you tell your sister or your husband or your friend a fact about what causes child molestation, every time you tell them what we can do now to stop it, you build a stronger safety net for every child.
To begin learning the facts, start with the CMRPI Prevention Plan. This plan was developed from the findings of the Child Molestation Prevention Study by Gene G. Abel, M.D. and Nora Harlow.
Child sexual abuse is scary, but you don't have to feel powerless. This website is dedicated to showing you the specific steps you can take to protect your children and all of the children in your community.
Some Facts
It is estimated that at least two out of every ten girls and one out of every ten boys are sexually abused by the end of their 13th year. To protect all children, we first need to learn the facts.
Did you know that most children who are sexually abused, are abused by a family member or close friend? Did you know that "stranger danger," by comparison, is quite rare?
Your Opportunity To Save Children
If you are an ordinary person in an ordinary family, you have the most power of anybody to save the children around you. Every time you tell your sister or your husband or your friend a fact about what causes child molestation, every time you tell them what we can do now to stop it, you build a stronger safety net for every child.
To begin learning the facts, start with the CMRPI Prevention Plan. This plan was developed from the findings of the Child Molestation Prevention Study by Gene G. Abel, M.D. and Nora Harlow.
Child sexual abuse is scary, but you don't have to feel powerless. This website is dedicated to showing you the specific steps you can take to protect your children and all of the children in your community.
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:quote:Originally posted by Jankinonya:
I felt that way when Bill started equating homosexuality to child molestation.
JAN, HOW MANY OF THE PRIEST WHO MOLESTED YOUNG BOYS WERE HOMOSEXUAL?
None. They are pedophiles. You make me sick Bill.
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:quote:Originally posted by Jankinonya:
I felt that way when Bill started equating homosexuality to child molestation.
JAN, HOW MANY OF THE PRIEST WHO MOLESTED YOUNG BOYS WERE HOMOSEXUAL?
Bill,
The biggest misunderstanding many people have is that pedophilia and homosexuality are one and the same. But to say that all homosexuals are pedophiles, or that all pedophiles are homosexual, is like comparing apples to rat poison. "They certainly are two distinct things," says James Hord, a psychologist in Panama City, Fla., who specializes in treating sexually abused children.
Hord explains that while some pedophiles may prefer boys over girls, or vice versa, it's not so much about gender as it is about age. For homosexuals, Hord says, sexual preference is "simply not linked to the age." If a man, for instance, is attracted to other adult males, he is a homosexual. A man who is sexually attracted to male children is not considered a homosexual: He is a pedophile.
quote:Originally posted by Jankinonya:quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:quote:Originally posted by Jankinonya:
I felt that way when Bill started equating homosexuality to child molestation.
JAN, HOW MANY OF THE PRIEST WHO MOLESTED YOUNG BOYS WERE HOMOSEXUAL?
None. They are pedophiles. You make me sick Bill.
JAN, WHAT DO YOU CALL A MALE WHO CONTINUALLY HAS SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH ANOTHER MALE, I.E., A BOY?
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This one is disgusting.
Africa
South Africa
Main article: Sexual violence in South Africa
South Africa has some of the highest incidences of child and baby rape in the world.[128] A survey by CIET found 60% of both boys and girls thought it was not violence to force sex upon someone they knew, while around 11% of boys and 4% of girls admitted to forcing someone else to have sex with them.[128] In a related survey conducted among 1,500 schoolchildren in the Johannesburg township of Soweto, a quarter of all the boys interviewed said that 'jackrolling', a term for gang rape, was fun.[129] More than half the interviewees insisted that when a girl says no to sex she really means yes.[129]
More than 67,000 cases of rape and sexual assaults against children were reported in 2000 in South Africa, compared to 37,500 in 1998. Child welfare groups believe that the number of unreported incidents could be up to 10 times that number. The largest increase in attacks was against children under seven. The prevalence of child sexual abuse in Africa is compounded by a belief that sexual intercourse with a virgin will cure a man of HIV or AIDS. This belief is especially common in South Africa, which has the highest number of HIV-positive citizens in the world. According to official figures, one in eight South Africans are infected with the virus.
Africa
South Africa
Main article: Sexual violence in South Africa
South Africa has some of the highest incidences of child and baby rape in the world.[128] A survey by CIET found 60% of both boys and girls thought it was not violence to force sex upon someone they knew, while around 11% of boys and 4% of girls admitted to forcing someone else to have sex with them.[128] In a related survey conducted among 1,500 schoolchildren in the Johannesburg township of Soweto, a quarter of all the boys interviewed said that 'jackrolling', a term for gang rape, was fun.[129] More than half the interviewees insisted that when a girl says no to sex she really means yes.[129]
More than 67,000 cases of rape and sexual assaults against children were reported in 2000 in South Africa, compared to 37,500 in 1998. Child welfare groups believe that the number of unreported incidents could be up to 10 times that number. The largest increase in attacks was against children under seven. The prevalence of child sexual abuse in Africa is compounded by a belief that sexual intercourse with a virgin will cure a man of HIV or AIDS. This belief is especially common in South Africa, which has the highest number of HIV-positive citizens in the world. According to official figures, one in eight South Africans are infected with the virus.
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:quote:Originally posted by Jankinonya:quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:quote:Originally posted by Jankinonya:
I felt that way when Bill started equating homosexuality to child molestation.
JAN, HOW MANY OF THE PRIEST WHO MOLESTED YOUNG BOYS WERE HOMOSEXUAL?
None. They are pedophiles. You make me sick Bill.
JAN, WHAT DO YOU CALL A MALE WHO CONTINUALLY HAS SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH ANOTHER MALE, I.E., A BOY?
Bill,
The biggest misunderstanding many people have is that pedophilia and homosexuality are one and the same. But to say that all homosexuals are pedophiles, or that all pedophiles are homosexual, is like comparing apples to rat poison. "They certainly are two distinct things," says James Hord, a psychologist in Panama City, Fla., who specializes in treating sexually abused children.
Hord explains that while some pedophiles may prefer boys over girls, or vice versa, it's not so much about gender as it is about age. For homosexuals, Hord says, sexual preference is "simply not linked to the age." If a man, for instance, is attracted to other adult males, he is a homosexual. A man who is sexually attracted to male children is not considered a homosexual: He is a pedophile.
Thanks for the info HOD. Too bad Mr. Gray skipped over it 
But I learned something from it!
But I learned something from it!quote:JAN, WHAT DO YOU CALL A MALE WHO CONTINUALLY HAS SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH ANOTHER MALE, I.E., A BOY?
Classification of Diseases (ICD) defines pedophilia as a "disorder of adult personality and behaviour" in which there is a sexual preference for children of prepubertal or early pubertal age.
oh by the way, billgray,
Before you single out priest, dont throw stones because;
The mainstream media has all but ignored the recent Associated Press report that the three major insurance companies for Protestant Churches in America say they typically receive 260 reports each year of minors being sexually abused by Protestant clergy, staff, or other church-related relationships.
Before you single out priest, dont throw stones because;
The mainstream media has all but ignored the recent Associated Press report that the three major insurance companies for Protestant Churches in America say they typically receive 260 reports each year of minors being sexually abused by Protestant clergy, staff, or other church-related relationships.
quote:Originally posted by b50m:quote:JAN, WHAT DO YOU CALL A MALE WHO CONTINUALLY HAS SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH ANOTHER MALE, I.E., A BOY?
Classification of Diseases (ICD) defines pedophilia as a "disorder of adult personality and behaviour" in which there is a sexual preference for children of prepubertal or early pubertal age.
AND, A MAN WHO HAS A SEXUAL PREFERENCE FOR ANOTHER MALE, OF WHATEVER AGE, IS STILL A HOMOSEXUAL!
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Bill,
Let's try something simple.
HOMO=SAME
HETERO=DIFFERENT
So yes, a homosexual is a person who has consensual sexual relations with their own sex, and it includes male or female.
A pedophile is an adult of either sex who has relations with a child of either sex. IT IS A CRIME! It is not consensual. It is a despicable act.
Let's try something simple.
HOMO=SAME
HETERO=DIFFERENT
So yes, a homosexual is a person who has consensual sexual relations with their own sex, and it includes male or female.
A pedophile is an adult of either sex who has relations with a child of either sex. IT IS A CRIME! It is not consensual. It is a despicable act.
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:
JAN, WHAT DO YOU CALL A MALE WHO CONTINUALLY HAS SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH ANOTHER MALE, I.E., A BOY?
What do you call a male who continually has sexual relations with underage females?
Oh I know, let's call them heterosexual! What do you say, Bill?
quote:Originally posted by b50m:
Bill, Let's try something simple. HOMO=SAME
HETERO=DIFFERENT
So yes, a homosexual is a person who has consensual sexual relations with their own sex, and it includes male or female.
A pedophile is an adult of either sex who has relations with a child of either sex. IT IS A CRIME! It is not consensual. It is a despicable act.
SO, A MAN WHO HAS SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH YOUNG BOYS - IS "NOT" A HOMOSEXUAL? - IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?
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Bill, I cannot believe how sick your mind is.
A man raping a child in NOT IN A HOMOSEXUAL RELATIONSHIP.
RAPE IS ABOUT POWER AND CONTROL===NOT SEX!
A man raping a child in NOT IN A HOMOSEXUAL RELATIONSHIP.
RAPE IS ABOUT POWER AND CONTROL===NOT SEX!
quote:Originally posted by b50m:
Bill, I cannot believe how sick your mind is.
A man raping a child in NOT IN A HOMOSEXUAL RELATIONSHIP. RAPE IS ABOUT POWER AND CONTROL===NOT SEX!
Hi B,
Who said anything about physical rape? Predators most often do not "rape" their victims; but, instead use the power of their authority to influence gullible young people into homosexual relations.
Yes, any sexual relationship between two males, be it two adults or an adult and a boy -- is still a homosexual relation.
Now, you can get all emotional and start yelling and sticking out your tongue. But, the truth IS the truth.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
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quote:Predators most often do not "rape" their victims;
They do rape, that's why they're called PREDATORS!!!!!!!
WHEN TALKING ABOUT CHILDREN IT'S ALWAYS RAPE!
Bill, why is it OK for you to type in caps to make a point or be condescending but is someone else does it they are being emotional?
SO, A MAN WHO HAS SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH YOUNG BOYS - IS "NOT" A HOMOSEXUAL? - IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?
JAN, WHAT DO YOU CALL A MALE WHO CONTINUALLY HAS SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH ANOTHER MALE, I.E., A BOY?
AND, A MAN WHO HAS A SEXUAL PREFERENCE FOR ANOTHER MALE, OF WHATEVER AGE, IS STILL A HOMOSEXUAL!
Moron.
SO, A MAN WHO HAS SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH YOUNG BOYS - IS "NOT" A HOMOSEXUAL? - IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?
JAN, WHAT DO YOU CALL A MALE WHO CONTINUALLY HAS SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH ANOTHER MALE, I.E., A BOY?
AND, A MAN WHO HAS A SEXUAL PREFERENCE FOR ANOTHER MALE, OF WHATEVER AGE, IS STILL A HOMOSEXUAL!
Moron.
quote:Originally posted by b50m:
Bill, I cannot believe how sick your mind is.
A man raping a child in NOT IN A HOMOSEXUAL RELATIONSHIP.
RAPE IS ABOUT POWER AND CONTROL===NOT SEX!
Bil's cool with calling men who molest little girls heterosexuals, I'm sure.
I'm sure.
quote:Originally posted by House of David:quote:Predators most often do not "rape" their victims;
They do rape, that's why they're called PREDATORS!!!!!!!
Hi David,
No, rape would be to physically or chemically overpower another. In the case of child and homosexual predators -- the most often used technique is emotional and authority.
Just as detestable -- but, different.
And, a person who has sex with the same sex, regardless of age -- is still homosexual.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
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So Bill raping by heterosexuals is cool then, by your warped standards?
You are really off the deep end today. Do you have a split personality?
You are really off the deep end today. Do you have a split personality?
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Who said anything about physical rape? Predators most often do not "rape" their victims; but, instead use the power of their authority to influence gullible young people into homosexual relations.
Yes, any sexual relationship between two males, be it two adults or an adult and a boy -- is still a homosexual relation.
Now, you can get all emotional and start yelling and sticking out your tongue. But, the truth IS the truth.
God bless, have a wonderful, blessed day,
Bill
If you truly feel this way Bill, and not just saying these things to argue, then you are a sick individual and a danger to children.
I hope you are just being your usual argumentative self and don't really believe there is no difference in an adult sexual relationship and child molestation.
Sex between two consenting adults is....sex. No matter what the genders involved are. They are adults and know what they are doing. They can make decisions for themselves. Sex between ANY GENDER and a child is molestation. Those animals are pedophiles.
Hybrid has ask you and you refuse to answer him. Do you think an adult male that has sex with a female child is just a heterosexual? Same thing as adult males having sex with adult females?
And yes child predators are a very emotional subject to everyone that cares about the health and welfare of children. Do you think that when they have sex with these children that he children consent to it? You said they don't always rape them. Then what do you call it?
quote:Hybrid has ask you and you refuse to answer him. Do you think an adult male that has sex with a female child is just a heterosexual?
So Bill can find it easier.
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:
-- the most often used technique is emotional and authority.
Bill
Which is another form of "overpowering". Which equates to rape.
quote:Originally posted by Bill Gray:
Hi David,
No, rape would be to physically or chemically overpower another. In the case of child and homosexual predators -- the most often used technique is emotional and authority.
OMG! Are you serious?!?!? I have seen a whole new side to you today Bill. I always thought you were crazy, now I feel you are a very sick and dangerous individual. Your ideas of rape are warped and sound like something that would come out of the mouth of a predator.
I have a few homosexual male friends. One of which I have left my 2 sons with to babysit. I trust him with my life and theirs. He loves them like they are his children. My boys and grown and still call him often and think of him as their family. To say that homosexuals are child molesters is very disturbing to me. It is as if you are saying he is this kind of monster. I know better. He would never hurt a child and he would probably kill to protect one if need be. You on the other hand seem to think that as long as the child isn't held down forcibly and only coerced emotionally then its not rape or molestation at all. If it happens to be an adult male and a female child then that is just natural right Bill?
This is what belief in a god can do to some people. Warp their minds and cloud their judgment. Sick sick sick!
quote:This is what belief in a god can do to some people. Warp their minds and cloud their judgment. Sick sick sick!
Jank, PLEASE do not equate Bill with normal people who have a religious belief.
We don't claim him.
Reading Bill's remarks that some of you have quoted makes me glad I have this old man on ignore. He is one sick human being.
Possibly much more than we know.
Possibly much more than we know.
quote:Originally posted by b50m:
Jank, PLEASE do not equate Bill with normal people who have a religious belief.
We don't claim him.
I wouldn't dare equate Bill with any other believer here.. Unfortunately there are still always too many Bills around.