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W. A Threadgill, the beloved principal, for whom the school in Sheffield is named, once shared the following thought. He said he was going to notify the parents that the children would be staying at school two hours later each day to practice basic skills. Parents and friends would be invited to come watch them demonstrate their proficiencies on Friday nights.
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Originally posted by seeweed:
Alabama must be doing a good job in the schools. It has 2 top rated football teams in the entire nation. Isn't football what's really important ? Who really cares about the other stuff ? Not the parents- they ask the schools NOT to show a TV feed of the President telling (in their words "brainwashing") their kids to stay in school and apply themselves.
Seems to me the people of Alabama want their kids to grow up as dumb as they are.


I don't think anyone wants their kids to grow up dumb, at least I hope not.

Although I know it was said in jest, the top two FB teams in the State are made up of about 2/3 out of state boys. Bama is slightly over half on in-Staters, and Auburn has merely a few.
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Originally posted by earthmomma:
The errors are not typos. They are subject/verb agreements, run together sentences, and homonym errors. As a retired teacher, I find it terribly hard to defend you. Again, I trust you do not teach English. I make lots of typos and edit every post. Sometimes I miss one. Your problems are in compostion, grammar, and semantics. I AM SORRY YOU HAVE TO WORK ONE SATURDAY TO FULFILL YOUR CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS!


Roll Eyes Build a bridge and get over it, please. Did you understand what was said? I did. Language is a constantly changing thing. The grammar of today will be archaic in the future. It's really not worth fussing over in an informal forum.
Opie? Did u even graduate HIGH SCHOOL?? You have an air of "SOUR GRAPES" ???? As for your sarcastic comment concerning "losing the war"...at least we are attempting to fight the battle. Do you have children? If so, how many times a week do you inquire about their day at school, help with homework assignments etc? If you do not have children, what makes you an authority on our current school system?
Opie...I make no apologies to you..I admit to getting fused when my profession is under attack. I have studied for years, and have taught for many more. The teachers, with whom I have spent my life, were not only good teachers but great individuals. If you want to continue the argument, then spend some time in your local school. At least, bring some type of background knowledge before making such a rash statement.
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Originally posted by logical:
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Originally posted by earthmomma:
The errors are not typos. They are subject/verb agreements, run together sentences, and homonym errors. As a retired teacher, I find it terribly hard to defend you. Again, I trust you do not teach English. I make lots of typos and edit every post. Sometimes I miss one. Your problems are in compostion, grammar, and semantics. I AM SORRY YOU HAVE TO WORK ONE SATURDAY TO FULFILL YOUR CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS!


Roll Eyes Build a bridge and get over it, please. Did you understand what was said? I did. Language is a constantly changing thing. The grammar of today will be archaic in the future. It's really not worth fussing over in an informal forum.


Poor communication skills are indicative of an untrained, undisciplined mind. If you can't transmit your thoughts succinctly to others, don't expect to be hired for positions requiring such skills.
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Originally posted by Wondering??:
I suppose we can say the educational professionals in Wisconsin are ALSO overpaid sleezeballs since some government officials are currently attempting to "BUST" their union also right? So everyone who gets a paycut or layoff slip is automatically unworthy and untrained or their job???????

How sad!



No, I would say that the Wisconsin teaching profession isn't delivering a valued product, especially for the cost of the product.

"Two-Thirds of Wisconsin Public-School 8th Graders Can’t Read Proficiently—Despite Highest Per Pupil Spending in Midwest"

http://cnsnews.com/news/articl...-public-school-8th-g
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When a team doesn't WIN.......Most folks fire the Coach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!........not the players


Try a better analogy. What's the first thing a new coach does? He hits the recruiting trail for.......new players.

Or you can look at it another way and see the students as the players and the teachers as the coaches. Either way your analogy fails.

Whether you realize it or not you just gave your opponents a "free throw".
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Originally posted by Jobe:
Let the private schools take over the public schools. They’ll do it for halve the price with better results. Students would actually learn to read, write, and do math.


What private school costs less than a public school? I would guess that most privates schools are considerably more in tuition costs.
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Originally posted by Mr.Dittohead:
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Originally posted by Jobe:
Let the private schools take over the public schools. They’ll do it for halve the price with better results. Students would actually learn to read, write, and do math.


What private school costs less than a public school? I would guess that most privates schools are considerably more in tuition costs.


They are a lot more expensive than public schools in general, they pay their teachers a lot less , and most are church sponsored.
Is that what you really want- the end of public education which was seen as a necessity by our founders ? Not in the Constitution you may say, true, but if you go up to Boston (any of you right-wingers ever been there ?) on the walking tour you will see the first public school in this country. Built because the founders saw public education as the future of what would become our country.
This whole thing isn't about education, or even a budget, it is about politics, doing away with one of the few organizations that supports Democrats. Getting rid of Democrats is the ultimate goal, and so goes the great middle class of our country.
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Originally posted by Mr.Dittohead:
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Originally posted by Jobe:
Let the private schools take over the public schools. They’ll do it for halve the price with better results. Students would actually learn to read, write, and do math.


What private school costs less than a public school? I would guess that most privates schools are considerably more in tuition costs.


The more toney private schools usually do cost more. But, not all. A little research reveals Catholic schools cost about 25 percent less. They don't have the massive overhead administrative staff the public schools do.

Competition would be a solution. The US universities are a combination of private and public. And, are world class. Parents at failing schools should be issued vouchers worth about 75 percent of the average cost to educate their children. The vouchers could be used at private schools, including religious schools. Perhaps, parents who home school should draw vouchers valued at the cost of the books their children use. Charter schools are another option. True, 50 percent fail. That means 50 percent succeed.

The NEA might get the idea and compete to keep their jobs and power. Enough of the NEA doing a sorry job of educating their charges. Children had been kept hostage too long.
So the Jewish kids have to go to a Catholic school??? In Huntsville, the school system is paying about $8k per student. The current desegregation order controversy has pointed out once again the large diff in test scores at the different schools, and the schools that do well are already full, or like Grissom, way over ideal enrollment.

The nearby private school, Randolph, costs about $13k for elementary and $15k for high school, and both are full.
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
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Originally posted by Mr.Dittohead:
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Originally posted by Jobe:
Let the private schools take over the public schools. They’ll do it for halve the price with better results. Students would actually learn to read, write, and do math.


What private school costs less than a public school? I would guess that most privates schools are considerably more in tuition costs.


The more toney private schools usually do cost more. But, not all. A little research reveals Catholic schools cost about 25 percent less. They don't have the massive overhead administrative staff the public schools do.

Competition would be a solution. The US universities are a combination of private and public. And, are world class. Parents at failing schools should be issued vouchers worth about 75 percent of the average cost to educate their children. The vouchers could be used at private schools, including religious schools. Perhaps, parents who home school should draw vouchers valued at the cost of the books their children use. Charter schools are another option. True, 50 percent fail. That means 50 percent succeed.

The NEA might get the idea and compete to keep their jobs and power. Enough of the NEA doing a sorry job of educating their charges. Children had been kept hostage too long.


I hope you are not recommending vouchers so that the public school system will vanish and greedy educational corporations will be given our tax dollars to educate our children .
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Originally posted by seeweed:
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
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Originally posted by Mr.Dittohead:
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Originally posted by Jobe:
Let the private schools take over the public schools. They’ll do it for halve the price with better results. Students would actually learn to read, write, and do math.


What private school costs less than a public school? I would guess that most privates schools are considerably more in tuition costs.


The more toney private schools usually do cost more. But, not all. A little research reveals Catholic schools cost about 25 percent less. They don't have the massive overhead administrative staff the public schools do.

Competition would be a solution. The US universities are a combination of private and public. And, are world class. Parents at failing schools should be issued vouchers worth about 75 percent of the average cost to educate their children. The vouchers could be used at private schools, including religious schools. Perhaps, parents who home school should draw vouchers valued at the cost of the books their children use. Charter schools are another option. True, 50 percent fail. That means 50 percent succeed.

The NEA might get the idea and compete to keep their jobs and power. Enough of the NEA doing a sorry job of educating their charges. Children had been kept hostage too long.


I hope you are not recommending vouchers so that the public school system will vanish and greedy educational corporations will be given our tax dollars to educate our children .


Yes, we are recommending vouchers, not that the public school system will vanish, (that would be a bonus) but so that our children will get a quality education for a change.

A better education at a lower price.
http://www.mackinac.org/article.aspx?ID=1118
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Originally posted by seeweed:
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
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Originally posted by Mr.Dittohead:
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Originally posted by Jobe:
Let the private schools take over the public schools. They’ll do it for halve the price with better results. Students would actually learn to read, write, and do math.


What private school costs less than a public school? I would guess that most privates schools are considerably more in tuition costs.


The more toney private schools usually do cost more. But, not all. A little research reveals Catholic schools cost about 25 percent less. They don't have the massive overhead administrative staff the public schools do.

Competition would be a solution. The US universities are a combination of private and public. And, are world class. Parents at failing schools should be issued vouchers worth about 75 percent of the average cost to educate their children. The vouchers could be used at private schools, including religious schools. Perhaps, parents who home school should draw vouchers valued at the cost of the books their children use. Charter schools are another option. True, 50 percent fail. That means 50 percent succeed.

The NEA might get the idea and compete to keep their jobs and power. Enough of the NEA doing a sorry job of educating their charges. Children had been kept hostage too long.


I hope you are not recommending vouchers so that the public school system will vanish and greedy educational corporations will be given our tax dollars to educate our children .


Sushi wrap,

I mean what I said and said what I mean! Suggest a course in reading comprehension! I stated that when the public schools are failing to educate their students, options should be offered. Charter schools are an alternate form of public schooling. Home schooling and religious schools are not corporate entities, either.

Private schools are an option, but only one of many. I'm not certain I desire more left wing private schools like Harvard or Yale, for that matter. As the US spends second only to Switzerland, but receives a far poorer product, more money is, obviously, not the answer.

Public schools date from the founding of the republic, de Tocqueville commented on this and that attendance was mandatory. There is much to be said for an assembly of young people from all economic and ethnic groups. They learn to socialize more and it dilutes that dammed cultural diversity. The draft used to accomplish the same function as a by-product.
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Originally posted by Wondering??:
U tell 'um seaweed!!


If, you truly sympathize with the unions, I suggest you research how union leaders and labor lords misuse their members funds. The UAW invested in a country club and other luxury property that never made a profit. Their labor lords were and are, I believe, frequent guests.

The DC teachers union leader wasted their retirement fund on frivolities. It may be years before the fund recovers.
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Originally posted by Not Shallow Not Slim:
Are AEA teachers guaranteed a Defined Benefit pension?


nsns

actually whether AEA or not ALL teachers in Alabama will lose their defined benefit pension..and the state will go to a 401k system...they also have a bill where teachers will be required to work until they are 60 no matter how many yrs they have in. They are also considering cutting the school year by 5 days for students and 5 days for teachers. Thats 5 days of lost instructional time and 10 days of lost pay. It is not only the teachers being affected... this is what Ive been trying to say..the budget was cut from $75 per teaching unit for textbooks to $15. There arent any textbooks for $15. Alabama pays the lowest taxes of ANY state, you can blame everything on the teachers, however, at some point everyone has to join together and try and solve the problem.
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Originally posted by Jobe:
Let the private schools take over the public schools. They’ll do it for halve the price with better results. Students would actually learn to read, write, and do math.


THAT is exacly what the government wants to happen! What exactly are you going to do with the special education students? Or the students who cannot pay? Believe it or not whether a teacher teaches at a private or public school, we all go to the same universities, get the same degrees, and have to pass the same teacher's test. Thank you for proving my point! You basically said because the teachers get paid less the students learn. Thats bull and you know it.. this isnt about education, its about attacking teachers. If you really keep up with the achievements of alabama students you would see that student achievement scores have increased, we have enrolled more students in advanced academic classes, and raised the graduation rate. However more cuts threaten all that. The real problem is these major corporations who make money in Alabama then use legal loopholes to pay zero taxes in Alabama. The normal working family pays taxes, the small business person pays taxes, laws need to be passed to stop these corporations from doing this!
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
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Originally posted by seeweed:
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
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Originally posted by Mr.Dittohead:
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Originally posted by Jobe:
Let the private schools take over the public schools. They’ll do it for halve the price with better results. Students would actually learn to read, write, and do math.


What private school costs less than a public school? I would guess that most privates schools are considerably more in tuition costs.


The more toney private schools usually do cost more. But, not all. A little research reveals Catholic schools cost about 25 percent less. They don't have the massive overhead administrative staff the public schools do.

Competition would be a solution. The US universities are a combination of private and public. And, are world class. Parents at failing schools should be issued vouchers worth about 75 percent of the average cost to educate their children. The vouchers could be used at private schools, including religious schools. Perhaps, parents who home school should draw vouchers valued at the cost of the books their children use. Charter schools are another option. True, 50 percent fail. That means 50 percent succeed.

The NEA might get the idea and compete to keep their jobs and power. Enough of the NEA doing a sorry job of educating their charges. Children had been kept hostage too long.


I hope you are not recommending vouchers so that the public school system will vanish and greedy educational corporations will be given our tax dollars to educate our children .


Sushi wrap,

I mean what I said and said what I mean! Suggest a course in reading comprehension! I stated that when the public schools are failing to educate their students, options should be offered. Charter schools are an alternate form of public schooling. Home schooling and religious schools are not corporate entities, either.

Private schools are an option, but only one of many. I'm not certain I desire more left wing private schools like Harvard or Yale, for that matter. As the US spends second only to Switzerland, but receives a far poor product, more money is, obviously, not the answer.

Public schools date from the founding of the republic, de Tocqueville commented on this and that attendance was mandatory. There is much to be said for an assembly of young people from all economic and ethnic groups. They learn to socialize more and it dilutes that dammed cultural diversity. The draft used to accomplish the same function as a by-product.


public schools are NOT failing...despite all the cuts teachers are doing everything humanly possible to keep the above...and besides the above, why not start cutting as far away from the classrooms as possible? Start at the local boards...I challenge you to go online and look at the salaries being made at your local boards of education...(our supers wasnt included? but we know what he makes) but just at the board of ed there are million of dollars going out on these "made up" job titles..the secretary for our super starts out at $37,000 without a degree! thats crazy...
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Originally posted by LE89:
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Originally posted by Wondering??:
The continued attacks by politicians and GOVernment are chaffing many of us!!! We have worked many long hours as well as had numerous sleepless nights in an attempt to reach many of our disoriented young people. When did people in Montgomery, the majority of whom has not spent ONE day inside a classroom, become authorities on what is best for our young people in Alabama? IT is all about control and power! If we stick our heads in the sand...I am certain the decisions they will make will not eliminate or even reduce our societal crumbling....for which teachers and support personnel are taking the fall!! GET UP AND SHOUT ABOUT IT!!!!!!


No dis-respect intended, I think 95% of the teachers are great, unfortunately 5% are not. Unless you are caught having sex with a student, you are pretty much safe in keeping your job.

I'll revise the original question, when did Paul Hubbert become an authority on what is best for our young people of Alabama?

Paul Hubbert has controled the puppet strings of the Alabama Legislature for too long. When there is a system in place to reward good teachers and get rid of bad ones, I would be happy. When a boilerplate system protects them all, it is not a good system.

I'm sure I'll be berated for this stance by some, which is your right, but while you are at it, let's hear your solution.


no disrespect for you either but tenure is not in place to protect the bad teachers its there to protect the good ones. Do you realize that if our tenure is taken away that an elected official can just fire you without any reason? Lets say you helped the guy who ran against him..or lets say his neice needs your job. YES it is that political in this area. Its that political in the hiring and its tht political in the firing. To gain tenure you have to be hired back for your 4th year. If a "bad" teacher makes it through that process, then the principal didnt do his job. However, we are under contract. We CAN be fired. We have certain rules and regulations that we have to follow and one is to set a "moral" example. That gets me sometimes because people think we should never make a mistake. We are human too. But this job is not like getting hired at a plant and you get so many warnings or writeups and then you are gone. They can literally walk in and say go home without the tenure laws. These officials already put their power trips on us. They need to realize they are an elected official and they do not own the school or system and should not be allowed to run over employees at will just because they can. Hope this helps.
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
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Originally posted by Wondering??:
U tell 'um seaweed!!


If, you truly sympathize with the unions, I suggest you research how union leaders and labor lords misuse their members funds. The UAW invested in a country club and other luxury property that never made a profit. Their labor lords were and are, I believe, frequent guests.

The DC teachers union leader wasted their retirement fund on frivolities. It may be years before the fund recovers.


You cannot judge all unions by this one...my husband wanted me to say he is NOT a teacher but he is employed and in a union and is so glad he is! Believe me so am I. He makes well over $70,000 a year, has great benefits, and guess what? Nobody is burning them at the stake... at least not yet!
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Originally posted by mamyliga:
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Teachers are lucky that their compensation isn't linked to the results they achieve.



An fallacious statement if ever I have seen one. You insult the integrity of every highly motivated, sincerely obligated teacher that I have known in my 32 years of education. I resent the arrogant stupidity of your statement. I will not read this and sit idly by. Teaching is war, every day, every hour. You have no idea.....


Sounds like you're losing.


actually it shows how you do not know what you are talking about...because if we were payed for the results..we would all be getting a great big pay raise this year! test scores have went up dramtically, gradution drop out rates have decreased and have doubled the number of students taking advanced classes.... WHERES MY CHECK????
Why doesnt someone ask why our funding for schools is one of the lowest per student in the nation because we continue to enjoy the lowest property taxes of any state in the nation? Why do we continue to allow Alfa to lobby for low property taxes for farmers while providing them with huge loans at 3% interest rates and continue to pay them to not raise certain crops so as to keep market prices stable....please, if I am wrong, correct my errors..We hear your screams about AEA lobbyist, not about Alfa...which at one time was FARM BUREAU...
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
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Originally posted by seeweed:
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
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Originally posted by Mr.Dittohead:
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Originally posted by Jobe:
Let the private schools take over the public schools. They’ll do it for halve the price with better results. Students would actually learn to read, write, and do math.


What private school costs less than a public school? I would guess that most privates schools are considerably more in tuition costs.


The more toney private schools usually do cost more. But, not all. A little research reveals Catholic schools cost about 25 percent less. They don't have the massive overhead administrative staff the public schools do.

Competition would be a solution. The US universities are a combination of private and public. And, are world class. Parents at failing schools should be issued vouchers worth about 75 percent of the average cost to educate their children. The vouchers could be used at private schools, including religious schools. Perhaps, parents who home school should draw vouchers valued at the cost of the books their children use. Charter schools are another option. True, 50 percent fail. That means 50 percent succeed.

The NEA might get the idea and compete to keep their jobs and power. Enough of the NEA doing a sorry job of educating their charges. Children had been kept hostage too long.


I hope you are not recommending vouchers so that the public school system will vanish and greedy educational corporations will be given our tax dollars to educate our children .


Sushi wrap,

I mean what I said and said what I mean! Suggest a course in reading comprehension! I stated that when the public schools are failing to educate their students, options should be offered. Charter schools are an alternate form of public schooling. Home schooling and religious schools are not corporate entities, either.

Private schools are an option, but only one of many. I'm not certain I desire more left wing private schools like Harvard or Yale, for that matter. As the US spends second only to Switzerland, but receives a far poor product, more money is, obviously, not the answer.

Public schools date from the founding of the republic, de Tocqueville commented on this and that attendance was mandatory. There is much to be said for an assembly of young people from all economic and ethnic groups. They learn to socialize more and it dilutes that dammed cultural diversity. The draft used to accomplish the same function as a by-product.


public schools are NOT failing...despite all the cuts teachers are doing everything humanly possible to keep the above...and besides the above, why not start cutting as far away from the classrooms as possible? Start at the local boards...I challenge you to go online and look at the salaries being made at your local boards of education...(our supers wasnt included? but we know what he makes) but just at the board of ed there are million of dollars going out on these "made up" job titles..the secretary for our super starts out at $37,000 without a degree! thats crazy...



Two-Thirds of Wisconsin Public-School 8th Graders Can’t Read Proficiently—Despite Highest Per Pupil Spending in Midwest"

http://cnsnews.com/news/articl...-public-school-8th-g

While, only one city, what part of the article don't you comprehend! The US used to have the highest level of literacy in the world. De Tocqueville commented on it two hundred years ago. Historians state that frontiersmen set out with rifle, axe, knife and a sheaf of newspapers. Check out the McGuffey readers. The sixth grade book is the equivalent of a tenth grade book, today. The twelfth grade book is college level.

Again, the US spends only second to Switzerland, per student. We certainly aren't getting our money's worth! Agreed, the admin overhead is wasting billions nationwide.
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Originally posted by skreechowl:
Why doesnt someone ask why our funding for schools is one of the lowest per student in the nation? Why doesnt someone ask why our property taxes remain the lowest of any state in the nation? Why do we continue to allow Alfa to lobby for low property taxes for farmers while providing them with huge loans at 3% interest rates and continue to pay them to not raise certain crops so as to keep market prices stable....please, if I am wrong, correct my errors.....


AMEN..ALABAMA IS LOWEST OF ALL STATES IN TAXES...
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Originally posted by bamagirl34:
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
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Originally posted by seeweed:
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
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Originally posted by Mr.Dittohead:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jobe:
Let the private schools take over the public schools. They’ll do it for halve the price with better results. Students would actually learn to read, write, and do math.


What private school costs less than a public school? I would guess that most privates schools are considerably more in tuition costs.


The more toney private schools usually do cost more. But, not all. A little research reveals Catholic schools cost about 25 percent less. They don't have the massive overhead administrative staff the public schools do.

Competition would be a solution. The US universities are a combination of private and public. And, are world class. Parents at failing schools should be issued vouchers worth about 75 percent of the average cost to educate their children. The vouchers could be used at private schools, including religious schools. Perhaps, parents who home school should draw vouchers valued at the cost of the books their children use. Charter schools are another option. True, 50 percent fail. That means 50 percent succeed.

The NEA might get the idea and compete to keep their jobs and power. Enough of the NEA doing a sorry job of educating their charges. Children had been kept hostage too long.


I hope you are not recommending vouchers so that the public school system will vanish and greedy educational corporations will be given our tax dollars to educate our children .


Sushi wrap,

I mean what I said and said what I mean! Suggest a course in reading comprehension! I stated that when the public schools are failing to educate their students, options should be offered. Charter schools are an alternate form of public schooling. Home schooling and religious schools are not corporate entities, either.

Private schools are an option, but only one of many. I'm not certain I desire more left wing private schools like Harvard or Yale, for that matter. As the US spends second only to Switzerland, but receives a far poor product, more money is, obviously, not the answer.

Public schools date from the founding of the republic, de Tocqueville commented on this and that attendance was mandatory. There is much to be said for an assembly of young people from all economic and ethnic groups. They learn to socialize more and it dilutes that dammed cultural diversity. The draft used to accomplish the same function as a by-product.


public schools are NOT failing...despite all the cuts teachers are doing everything humanly possible to keep the above...and besides the above, why not start cutting as far away from the classrooms as possible? Start at the local boards...I challenge you to go online and look at the salaries being made at your local boards of education...(our supers wasnt included? but we know what he makes) but just at the board of ed there are million of dollars going out on these "made up" job titles..the secretary for our super starts out at $37,000 without a degree! thats crazy...



Two-Thirds of Wisconsin Public-School 8th Graders Can’t Read Proficiently—Despite Highest Per Pupil Spending in Midwest"

http://cnsnews.com/news/articl...-public-school-8th-g

While, only one city, what part of the article don't you comprehend! The US used to have the highest level of literacy in the world. De Tocqueville commented on it two hundred years ago. Historians state that frontiersmen set out with rifle, axe, knife and a sheaf of newspapers. Check out the McGuffey readers. The sixth grade book is the equivalent of a tenth grade book, today. The twelfth grade book is college level.

Again, the US spends only second to Switzerland, per student. We certainly aren't getting our money's worth! Agreed, the admin overhead is wasting billions nationwide.[/QUOTE

]I THINK THATS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID.. THE CUTS NEEDED TO BE AS FAR AWAY FROM THE CLASSROOM AS POSSIBLE...A TEACHERS PAY AND STUDENT PERFORMANCE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OTHER...WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CLASS SIZE, TEXTBOOKS, CLASSROOM SUPPLIES, ETC THAT CAN AND WILL AFFECT A CHILD'S EDUCATION. START AT THE TOP!
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Originally posted by skreechowl:
Why doesnt someone ask why our funding for schools is one of the lowest per student in the nation? Why doesnt someone ask why our property taxes remain the lowest of any state in the nation? Why do we continue to allow Alfa to lobby for low property taxes for farmers while providing them with huge loans at 3% interest rates and continue to pay them to not raise certain crops so as to keep market prices stable....please, if I am wrong, correct my errors.....


AMEN..ALABAMA IS LOWEST OF ALL STATES IN TAXES...


SORRY, NO!

"The 10 states with the lowest overall taxes

For 2008 the here is the list of states with taxes as a percentage of income.

Alaska 6.4%
Nevada 6.6%
Wyoming 7.0%
Florida 7.4%
New Hampshire 7.6%
South Dakota 7.9%
Tennessee 8.3%
Texas 8.4%
Louisiana 8.4%
Arizona 8.5%"

http://www.frugal-retirement-l...est-state-taxes.html

I thought you were a teacher. Don't you research before making such statements?
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Originally posted by ShugaPush:
As someone originally from Kentucky, wondering, can you tell me why the students in Alabama are "disoriented?"

And Bamagirl34, you do know median is not average, don't you?

Sheesh, these are your kids' teachers, folks!


YOU ARE FROM KENTUCKY AND YOU REALLY WANT TO JUDGE US? I MEANT THE MIDDLE YOU KNOW LIKE 50%? DOESNT TAKE ALOT OF SMARTS TO FIGURE THAT OUT...

In probability theory and statistics, a median is described as the numeric value separating the higher half of a sample, a population, or a probability distribution, from the lower half. The median of a finite list of numbers can be found by arranging all the observations from lowest value to highest value and picking the middle one. If there is an even number of observations, then there is no single middle value; the median is then usually defined to be the mean of the two middle values.[1][2]
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Originally posted by Mr.Dittohead:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jobe:
Let the private schools take over the public schools. They’ll do it for halve the price with better results. Students would actually learn to read, write, and do math.


What private school costs less than a public school? I would guess that most privates schools are considerably more in tuition costs.


The more toney private schools usually do cost more. But, not all. A little research reveals Catholic schools cost about 25 percent less. They don't have the massive overhead administrative staff the public schools do.

Competition would be a solution. The US universities are a combination of private and public. And, are world class. Parents at failing schools should be issued vouchers worth about 75 percent of the average cost to educate their children. The vouchers could be used at private schools, including religious schools. Perhaps, parents who home school should draw vouchers valued at the cost of the books their children use. Charter schools are another option. True, 50 percent fail. That means 50 percent succeed.

The NEA might get the idea and compete to keep their jobs and power. Enough of the NEA doing a sorry job of educating their charges. Children had been kept hostage too long.


I hope you are not recommending vouchers so that the public school system will vanish and greedy educational corporations will be given our tax dollars to educate our children .


Sushi wrap,

I mean what I said and said what I mean! Suggest a course in reading comprehension! I stated that when the public schools are failing to educate their students, options should be offered. Charter schools are an alternate form of public schooling. Home schooling and religious schools are not corporate entities, either.

Private schools are an option, but only one of many. I'm not certain I desire more left wing private schools like Harvard or Yale, for that matter. As the US spends second only to Switzerland, but receives a far poor product, more money is, obviously, not the answer.

Public schools date from the founding of the republic, de Tocqueville commented on this and that attendance was mandatory. There is much to be said for an assembly of young people from all economic and ethnic groups. They learn to socialize more and it dilutes that dammed cultural diversity. The draft used to accomplish the same function as a by-product.


public schools are NOT failing...despite all the cuts teachers are doing everything humanly possible to keep the above...and besides the above, why not start cutting as far away from the classrooms as possible? Start at the local boards...I challenge you to go online and look at the salaries being made at your local boards of education...(our supers wasnt included? but we know what he makes) but just at the board of ed there are million of dollars going out on these "made up" job titles..the secretary for our super starts out at $37,000 without a degree! thats crazy...



Two-Thirds of Wisconsin Public-School 8th Graders Can’t Read Proficiently—Despite Highest Per Pupil Spending in Midwest"

http://cnsnews.com/news/articl...-public-school-8th-g

While, only one city, what part of the article don't you comprehend! The US used to have the highest level of literacy in the world. De Tocqueville commented on it two hundred years ago. Historians state that frontiersmen set out with rifle, axe, knife and a sheaf of newspapers. Check out the McGuffey readers. The sixth grade book is the equivalent of a tenth grade book, today. The twelfth grade book is college level.

Again, the US spends only second to Switzerland, per student. We certainly aren't getting our money's worth! Agreed, the admin overhead is wasting billions nationwide.[/QUOTE

]I THINK THATS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID.. THE CUTS NEEDED TO BE AS FAR AWAY FROM THE CLASSROOM AS POSSIBLE...A TEACHERS PAY AND STUDENT PERFORMANCE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OTHER...WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CLASS SIZE, TEXTBOOKS, CLASSROOM SUPPLIES, ETC THAT CAN AND WILL AFFECT A CHILD'S EDUCATION. START AT THE TOP!


With the exception of specialty classes such as physics, chemistry and a few computer courses, even class size is not a good indicator. Classes with up to 28 students do not appear to make a difference. In my long past secondary education, class sizes of 30 to 32 were common. The other things, I agree on.

Catholic schools, schules and some private schools have very small administrative overhead. That is a main factor in cost savings. Perhaps, all school systems should have a stern old nun or a member of hadassah approve all admin expenses and positions, complete with knuckle rap.
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
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Originally posted by bamagirl34:
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Originally posted by skreechowl:
Why doesnt someone ask why our funding for schools is one of the lowest per student in the nation? Why doesnt someone ask why our property taxes remain the lowest of any state in the nation? Why do we continue to allow Alfa to lobby for low property taxes for farmers while providing them with huge loans at 3% interest rates and continue to pay them to not raise certain crops so as to keep market prices stable....please, if I am wrong, correct my errors.....


AMEN..ALABAMA IS LOWEST OF ALL STATES IN TAXES...


SORRY, NO!

"The 10 states with the lowest overall taxes

For 2008 the here is the list of states with taxes as a percentage of income.

Alaska 6.4%
Nevada 6.6%
Wyoming 7.0%
Florida 7.4%
New Hampshire 7.6%
South Dakota 7.9%
Tennessee 8.3%
Texas 8.4%
Louisiana 8.4%
Arizona 8.5%"

http://www.frugal-retirement-l...est-state-taxes.html

I thought you were a teacher. Don't you research before making such statements?


dONT YOU? WASNT TALKING ABOUT RETIREMENT PLACES AND FEDERAL TAXES TALKING ABOUT STATE AND LOCAL...YOU KNOW WHERE ALABAMA IS CONCERNED?

http://blog.al.com/birmingham-...lowest_taxes_in.html
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
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Originally posted by seeweed:
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Originally posted by elinterventor01:
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Originally posted by Mr.Dittohead:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jobe:
Let the private schools take over the public schools. They’ll do it for halve the price with better results. Students would actually learn to read, write, and do math.


What private school costs less than a public school? I would guess that most privates schools are considerably more in tuition costs.


The more toney private schools usually do cost more. But, not all. A little research reveals Catholic schools cost about 25 percent less. They don't have the massive overhead administrative staff the public schools do.

Competition would be a solution. The US universities are a combination of private and public. And, are world class. Parents at failing schools should be issued vouchers worth about 75 percent of the average cost to educate their children. The vouchers could be used at private schools, including religious schools. Perhaps, parents who home school should draw vouchers valued at the cost of the books their children use. Charter schools are another option. True, 50 percent fail. That means 50 percent succeed.

The NEA might get the idea and compete to keep their jobs and power. Enough of the NEA doing a sorry job of educating their charges. Children had been kept hostage too long.


I hope you are not recommending vouchers so that the public school system will vanish and greedy educational corporations will be given our tax dollars to educate our children .


Sushi wrap,

I mean what I said and said what I mean! Suggest a course in reading comprehension! I stated that when the public schools are failing to educate their students, options should be offered. Charter schools are an alternate form of public schooling. Home schooling and religious schools are not corporate entities, either.

Private schools are an option, but only one of many. I'm not certain I desire more left wing private schools like Harvard or Yale, for that matter. As the US spends second only to Switzerland, but receives a far poor product, more money is, obviously, not the answer.

Public schools date from the founding of the republic, de Tocqueville commented on this and that attendance was mandatory. There is much to be said for an assembly of young people from all economic and ethnic groups. They learn to socialize more and it dilutes that dammed cultural diversity. The draft used to accomplish the same function as a by-product.


public schools are NOT failing...despite all the cuts teachers are doing everything humanly possible to keep the above...and besides the above, why not start cutting as far away from the classrooms as possible? Start at the local boards...I challenge you to go online and look at the salaries being made at your local boards of education...(our supers wasnt included? but we know what he makes) but just at the board of ed there are million of dollars going out on these "made up" job titles..the secretary for our super starts out at $37,000 without a degree! thats crazy...



Two-Thirds of Wisconsin Public-School 8th Graders Can’t Read Proficiently—Despite Highest Per Pupil Spending in Midwest"

http://cnsnews.com/news/articl...-public-school-8th-g

While, only one city, what part of the article don't you comprehend! The US used to have the highest level of literacy in the world. De Tocqueville commented on it two hundred years ago. Historians state that frontiersmen set out with rifle, axe, knife and a sheaf of newspapers. Check out the McGuffey readers. The sixth grade book is the equivalent of a tenth grade book, today. The twelfth grade book is college level.

Again, the US spends only second to Switzerland, per student. We certainly aren't getting our money's worth! Agreed, the admin overhead is wasting billions nationwide.[/QUOTE

]I THINK THATS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID.. THE CUTS NEEDED TO BE AS FAR AWAY FROM THE CLASSROOM AS POSSIBLE...A TEACHERS PAY AND STUDENT PERFORMANCE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OTHER...WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CLASS SIZE, TEXTBOOKS, CLASSROOM SUPPLIES, ETC THAT CAN AND WILL AFFECT A CHILD'S EDUCATION. START AT THE TOP!


With the exception of specialty classes such as physics, chemistry and a few computer courses, even class size is not a good indicator. Classes with up to 28 students do not appear to make a difference. In my long past secondary education, class sizes of 30 to 32 were common. The other things, I agree on.

Catholic schools, schules and some private schools have very small administrative overhead. That is a main factor in cost savings. Perhaps, all school systems should have a stern old nun or a member of hadassah approve all admin expenses and positions, complete with knuckle rap.


LOL AGREE ON THAT STATEMENT...HOWEVER CLASS SIZE DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE TODAY..IT IS NOT LIKE IT WAS WHEN YOU AND I WENT TO SCHOOL. THESE STUDENTS HAVE MUCH MORE PRESSURE ON THEM WITH THE GRAD EXAM, ACT TEST (SCORES BEING HIGHER TO GET ACCEPTED), SAT TESTS AND PLAIN PASSING.. OUR STATE HAS PUT MORE ON TEACHERS TO TEACH IN A SHORTER AMOUNT OF TIME.THEREFORE THEY HAVE TO MOVE AT A MUCH FASTER PACE AND STAY "ON TRACK WITH WHERE THE STATE SAYS THEY SHOULD BE...CLASS SIZE MAKES A HUGE DIFF TODAY..
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Originally posted by earthmomma:
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Originally posted by earthmomma:
BamaGirl, I agree with several of your points. However, I cannot agree with 'payed' and 'have went'. I have ignored what seem to be typos. Try this: " Mommy, it has to be right. The teacher says it!"


AS I TOLD YOU IN THE OTHER DISCUSSION.. THIS IS NOT THE PLACE FOR YOU TO TRY AND SHOW HOW SMART YOU ARE... IT IS HOWEVER AN OPINION FORUM...AND FROM ALL YOUR POST I MUST STRONGLY DISAGREE WITH YOUR SIGNATURE STATEMENT...YOU ARE A FLAWED INDIVIDUAL JUST LIKE THE REST OF US.. BUT YOU LOVE DOING THE WRONG THING MOST OF THE TIME...BUT I REALIZE YOU ARE RETIRED AND HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO..I AM GOING TO BED. SOME OF US HAVE TO GO TO WORK TOMM.

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